Sony HDR-HC7 HDV Camcorder

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DVI Out to HDMI In Cables Are Not For HDMI Out to DVI In Anything

There are HDMI-to-DVI cables for HDTVs that don't have HDMI (like HC7s which he said is an HD LCD).

I thought those cables are for DVI Out TO HDMI In not vice versa. Like out my Mac's DVI to a HDTV's HDMI in. But NOT like out my HC7 to IN anything's DVI in port. A monitor can't compehend 1080i like a HDTV can. He's trying to put a square peg in a round hole Lethal. That sort of communication is not bi-directional.

 

[KDR]

No trouble for me

Having problem getting 1080i from HDMI output of HC7 to a HD LCD monitor with DVI connction. The component output works fine at shooting out 1080i. When I use the HDMI output, I only get 720x480p. I've called SONY tech support but they could not help. I can go to "STATUS" in the menu and it lists all the output modes. When I'm not using HDMI, I get "----" and as soon as I plug it in, it must try to sync with the LCD monitor and it sets it self to 480p. Question is, why is it not sending a 1080i signal? I've tried on 3 different HD LCD monitors. Component 1080i yes, but HDMI 1080i not yet.

I have gone hdmi-to-hdmi at 1080i to a Sony LCD and have gone firewire to both a Mistubishi DLP and iMac at 1080i. Both worked with default settings and nothing more from me than plugging in the cables.

 

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Show Off

I have gone hdmi-to-hdmi at 1080i to a Sony LCD and have gone firewire to both a Mistubishi DLP and iMac at 1080i. Both worked with default settings and nothing more from me than plugging in the cables.

Show Off! Here's a man who understands how to hook a 1080i Output to a 1080i Input.

HC7's Dell monitor is incapable of displaying 1080i from its DVI Input port due to the fact that it only understands progressive and NOT Interlaced signals. See he's trying to pretend his monitor is a HDTV which it is not. What is the brand and model number of your monitor hc7? Smells like a Dell 2407WFP or 2405FPW. In any case, the analog video component in is capable of displaying 1080i but the DVI In can only understand progressive signals and not 1080i.

KDR is connecting to a Sony LCD HDTV not a Dell monitor. Don't get the idea your HC7 is going to work from the HDMI port to any NON-HDTV DVI input. It won't. You need to buy a HDTV that comprehends digital 1080i - even if it's only 1366x768 WXGA - which will auto-interpolate your image down - to view your HC7's HDMI output.

Conversely, most if not all modern HDTVs can display both interlaced AND progressive signals coming into their HDMI ports. Many have VGA inputs as well for either analog progressive or DVI to VGA adapted digital progressive input. I use the VGA input on my recent 40" Samsung LN-S4095 from one of my DVI graphics ports with the DVI to VGA adapter Apple includes with all their Macs to save both my HDMI inputs for other peripherals.

This is why it's a good idea to make sure you buy a native 1920x1080 HDTV so when you do hook it up to your computer, you get the benefit of the higher resolution screen to use as one of your external monitors.

 

[KDR]

Show Off!

No way, not with this group. It's one thing to be the only guy in the family who knows where all the cables go. It's another thing to talk shop in a forum like this. I'm just giving perspective and happy to provide anything of even minimal value.

 

[BiikeMike]

Gramatical Curiosity: I just checked my Tiger's Dictionary and the word "Whoot" is not listed. And yet I've read it here many times. Have we recently invented this word or am I mistaken?

It is called internet slang my friend

Definition of Whoot


The more common version of "whoot" is "w00t" (definition here) which is a leftover word from the outdated "1337 language".

 

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Thanks BikeMike and a Whoot w00t 2U2. I Figured Out hc7's Display Problem

You know I have a habit of making posts that are not fully developed and don't like the idea of making a lot of posts for the sake of developing a large post count. So when you get a notification like the one you recently got that simply said my post was 2 words like "Show Off!", you might want to give it a half hour or so before checking it out or refreshing your thread page after that long to see what I really posted.

I figured out why hc7 is having that display problem and wrote all about it in the "Show Off" post.

Bottom line:
Don't try to put 1080i into any progressive only input. It won't work. HDTVs understand BOTH interlaced and progressive. Monitors only understand progressive.

 

[Rod Rod]

Bottom line:
Don't try to put 1080i into any progressive only input. It won't work. HDTVs understand BOTH interlaced and progressive. Monitors only understand progressive.

The missing link is a scaler.

http://www.gefen.com/kvm/product.jsp?prod_id=4173

HDTVs have them built in. Simple computer monitors don't, or they may have them partially? (working with component input and not DVI, in the case of hc7.

 

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I Don't Think The HDMate Will Work With 1080i Into The DVI In Port

The missing link is a scaler.

http://www.gefen.com/kvm/product.jsp?prod_id=4173

HDTVs have them built in. Simple computer monitors don't, or they may have them partially? (working with component input and not DVI, in the case of hc7.

After studying the HDMate's manual, I have concluded that this would not work with a 1080i input into the DVI input port.

 

[faustfire]

If you don't think a camera w/a better lens, bigger CCDs, and a higher bitrate produces a better image than a camera w/a lesser lens, smaller CCDs, and a lower bitrate me thinks your camera is broken or you eyes need to be checked.

Lethal

Sorry, I didnt mean the camera so much as their 35mbps version of HDV. When shooting standard HDV and their HDV35 both on the XDCAM, I really don't see much difference. And if they are using it on Discovery and PBS, I would bet that it is not being used for any action shots in which they really are looking for the highest quality. When shooting scenes with a lot of movement the XDCAM 35 has a lot of the same problems with compression artifacts and tearing that you see with HDV. We use them for news cameras in the field where the quality doesnt have to always be perfect. But when shooting anything to be composited, greenscreened, or just needs to look really great, I go straight to our HVX200s. When a 6000$ camera looks better than a 30,000$ you have to question their choice of an ultra compressed HDV hybrid when they could have gone with a much higher quality codec, especially when they are recording to blue ray disk instead of tape.

P.S. I may be biased since I loved the quality I could get out of the HVX200s that I picked one up for myself.

 

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210 Post, 10,031 Views

We've reached another milestone folks. We are now into 5 figures of views and at 210 posts with this one. Great job. Still plenty more to discuss and learn. I've barely scratched the surface myself. When are some of you HC7 owners going to post some video we can watch? If you don't know how just ask and those of us who know will explain.

 

[spicyapple]

err... 40% of the posts belong to you. Congratulations, I guess.

I like how this thread has an explosion of bolded links. Makes it look really spammy, but I digress, I never would have imagined someone could have so much to say about the HC7 but you've proven me wrong.

 

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And I Don't Even Have It Yet . . .

err... 40% of the posts belong to you. Congratulations, I guess.

I like how this thread has an explosion of bolded links. Makes it look really spammy, but I digress, I never would have imagined someone could have so much to say about the HC7 but you've proven me wrong.

Thanks, I guess. There's certainly a lot more to reveal about this jewel. Are bolded links bad form? I always bold my links 'cause I'm afraid they won't be seen otherwise. I don't know what you mean by "look real spammy". Would you mind explaining that please? I'm not trying to do anything that's wrong or in bad taste so please advise me if you think I am.

 

[spicyapple]

Yes Apple TV's limited to 720p so far. And it wants an iPod compatible version of your original HDV edit to communicate it from your Mac to your Apple TV to your HDTV. But you can easily export such a version directly from iMovie or from a Handbrake mp4 rip of a DVD Image - NOT a physical DVD - you can make with iDVD or Toast for a little bit better quality.

You can export with Quicktime Player using the Export to AppleTV preset. I did a little test and the resulting 720P file was of higher quality than downscaling 1080i footage from After Effects. I was shocked, and very pleased.

MM, you can ignore my last post.

 

[hc7]

Show Off Reply - more info on HDMI to DVI connection

HC7's Dell monitor is incapable of displaying 1080i from its DVI Input port due to the fact that it only understands progressive and NOT Interlaced signals. See he's trying to pretend his monitor is a HDTV which it is not. What is the brand and model number of your monitor hc7? Smells like a Dell 2407WFP or 2405FPW. In any case, the analog video component in is capable of displaying 1080i but the DVI In can only understand progressive signals and not 1080i.

The HD LCD monitor is a low budget HYUNDAY Q321. It is only capable of interlaced at 1080. (720 at both i and p) It does recognize 1080i through its DVI input. To verify, I have a blueray dvd player which has DVI output, and on the player I can set the resolution setting. As I change it, and I can check on the LCD monitor all the various resolutions, and at its best quality output, of course, is at "1080i."

I can understand for those who have HDMI input ready LCD monitors that the HC7 camera will connect properly, but why not with a Monitor with DVI input? Anyone out there with a DVI input only HD LCD with similar problem?

 

[Rod Rod]

After studying the HDMate's manual, I have concluded that this would not work with a 1080i input into the DVI input port.

Page 4 says:
"When connecting to an HDMI source, use an HDMI to DVI cable to connect the HDMI output of a STB or DVD to the DVI input connector of the HD Mate."

According to this, connecting an HDMI output to the DVI input of the Gefen scaler will work. Granted you don't have audio coming in at the same time if you're using a simple HDMI to DVI adapter. That's why there are multiple other audio inputs on the Gefen box.

edit: hc7, your Blu-ray Disc player contains the extra circuitry that makes what you describe possible. The Sony camcorder doesn't.

 

[Seed Artist]

I don't know what you mean by "look real spammy". Would you mind explaining that please? I'm not trying to do anything that's wrong or in bad taste so please advise me if you think I am.

I am truly impressed with how much care and respect members in the more "professional" forums treat each other.

Cudos!

Yes, I made that one bold, too!

 

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Whoot! w00t My $1150 ProVantage HC7 Has Shipped!

Oh boy. Here it comes. Still waiting for my Tracking Number. But it's in the process of going out the door now. Whoopie! I'm all a twitter now.

3.16.07 Update: Got my tracking number and it's on a truck out of Indianapolis this morning. Scheduled delivery is next Wednesday March 21.

 

[TheAnswer]

I like how this thread has an explosion of bolded links. Makes it look really spammy...

Are bolded links bad form? I always bold my links 'cause I'm afraid they won't be seen otherwise. I don't know what you mean by "look real spammy". Would you mind explaining that please? I'm not trying to do anything that's wrong or in bad taste so please advise me if you think I am.

I don't think you have to fear people not seeing links that are not bolded, I assume just about everyone in this forum has since enough to know what a link looks like (since in most cases they are underlined and in another color). They do resemble certain types of spam e-mails...I think that's what spicyapple is getting at.

Personally, I find the bolded links distract me while I'm reading through the rest of the content in your posts. Just food for thought.

 

[Macaroni Joe]

extras

My wife and I are going on a guided tour of England and Scotland in May and I plan to order an HC7 very soon. I'm just wondering if taking the wide angle lens would be worth it, what with continuous removing and reattaching of the lens cover. Also what else would you recommend taking including what type and brand of inverter? Thanks very much for any and all opinions.

 

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Vacation Gear - Best Prices On Wide Angle, Big Battery & Charger

My wife and I are going on a guided tour of England and Scotland in May and I plan to order an HC7 very soon. I'm just wondering if taking the wide angle lens would be worth it, what with continuous removing and reattaching of the lens cover. Also what else would you recommend taking including what type and brand of inverter? Thanks very much for any and all opinions.

I would get the Raynox HD-5050PRO 0.5x Wideangle Lens at B&H for only $90

and never take it off. My experience is you only want to shoot without one when you need to really zoom in close to something very far away. For traveling, capturing the big picture is most important.

I would buy 1 big 3-6 hour SONY - H SERIES ACTIFORCE BATTERY-HYBRID INFOLITHIUM NPFH100 only $106.98 so you can always have a fully charged spare in your pocket:

Use the small one that comes with it first then you only need the big one when you need it. But it will for sure last you the rest of the day.

And take this new dual sequential SONY - AC ADAPTER CHARGER H SERIES-TWIN QUICK INFO CHARGER ACVQH10 only $87.30:

which will make it easier to charge both batteries overnight.

This thread is getting so big, there is now misinformation about where to get the best prices for the Battery & Charger in the early pages. We now know that the best reported price for the batteries and the charger are from TechOnWeb.com in Dallas. Links to the deals above in context.

Find a AC to DC Adapter at Fry's or some other big electronics store near you so the charger won't blow up. You haven't added your location to your profile yet. Hope you have Fry's nearby. A small camera bag might be a good idea. Or the camera will easily fit in your wife's big purses. Carry the spare battery in a baggie so it doesn't accidentally discharge on metal in your pocket or her purse.

NOTE: Due to one request, I didn't bold the links in this post. Can everyone see them alright? I for one cannot see them alright. Does anyone wish I had made them bold? If so please PM me and I will return to making all of my links bold. Thank you. PS. Hope you like the big pictures.

 

[pknz]

NOTE: Due to one request, I didn't bold the links in this post. Can everyone see them alright? I for one cannot see them alright. Does anyone wish I had made them bold? If so please PM me and I will return to making all of my links bold. Thank you. PS. Hope you like the big pictures.

Nit picking, why make all the links capitals? 'Shouting' is bad.

Why would someone not see the links alright when they are the same size as the rest of the text? As far as I know you can increase the size of text displayed in most web browsers if a user is having difficulty reading the displayed text.

Was it ironic you made the note in bold?

 

[JeffDM]

Thanks for providing the links Jeff.

FYI: To contribute to the DVI forums, you must register and appear there with your REAL NAME.

Sorry, I was short on time and I didn't think about it. I figured it was enough information for a person to figure out where to find it, it was either post that or not post.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Macaroni Joe,
I've got to second MM and say you definitely want the wide angle adapter. Especially if you are going to be going inside castles and what not on your tour.


Lethal

 

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Thanks For The Warning Lethal

The website you are linking to smells like trouble. They have a "too good to be true" price, a website that's only been up since late 2005, almost no hits when searched in google and no rating at all over at resellerratings.com.

Oh. OK. Sorry folks. I didn't know there might be trouble. I guess the ProVantage $1137.81 deal is still the best legit then?

I deleted that post based on your intel. You might want to delete that link from your quote from my deleted post too.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Oh. OK. Sorry folks. I didn't know there might be trouble. I guess the ProVantage $1137.81 deal is still the best legit then?

IIRC you said Provantage was a Sony authorized dealer so I assume they'll be legit.

I deleted that post based on your intel. You might want to delete that link from your quote from my deleted post too.

Good idea. I assume you deleted the posts in the other threads where you mentioned the store that will not be named?


Lethal