***Sony Vaio Z*** Stone-cold killer! It's going to be Apple Vs Sony for Arrandale imo

[Tyrion]

If you don't even know that you are being abusive, I am sure you are writing this from within long walls.

Now let's see what user Tyron has contributed to these forums over let's say the past couple of weeks or so. Let's see if he isn't whining about apple or bashing them or promoting a competitor products, just reading the first line of his posts:



Wow man, such love and kindness emanating from your posts. You really bring something to the table here. And that's just picking out half of your posts from the first couple of pages of your total post count. Way to go! Keep that love and that good attitude coming, you are making the forums a better place.

Thanks for proving my point, friend. If you think my criticisms are groundless, then please, prove me wrong. You disagree with some of my posts? Awesome, let's have a discussion!
But you're not interested in that, are you? At the slightest hint of critical thinking (always directed at Apple, mind you, not at posters, and always supported with actual arguments) you're crying for the moderators to censor or ban. What do you even mean by "good attitude"? "Apple is perfect and can do no wrong! La-de-la-de-da, I don't even know why I'm posting, I'm soooo happy!"?

Oh, and please show me where I have insulted or flamed people. I never called anyone a "***ucker" (whatever that's supposed to mean) and I never called anyone a troll. I haven't posted any ad hominems here (or if I have, I did so in jest, as evidenced by smileys), I have merely dared to utter some less than positive words about Apple's current crop of laptops. What's wrong with that? Again, if you disagree, tell me why, offer up some arguments, for god's sake. This is a discussion forum, after all.

 

[danlun76]

Like I said I don't my technological stance to be critiqued, second guessed, or mocked by anyone with a lot of time in their hands and nothing better to do with their lives.

Thanks for confirming everything I suspected.

Sadly I'll have to inform you that the only ways to achieve what you hope to do is to

• stop voicing your opinion to others, it's going to get criticized whether you like it or not
• make sure the only post you do are backed by reasoning that isn't trivially refuted
• be autistic.

Indeed, if reading about the new Sony VAIO Z is catching your panties in a twist the reasonable way to deal with it, as you seem to be in the minority, would be to leave the darn thread instead of asking everyone else to do so.

The amount of arrogance it takes to even suggest such a thing is astouding even by my own standards.

Anyway, as things currently stand it's actually impossible for the "overwhelming majority" to make a "technological choice" by "going with apple instead" since we know nothing about the new MBPs. Not even a release date, in fact.

But as far as the latest and greatest go, I don't see many manufacturers with glass trackpads, multitouch enabled trackpads, durable unibody construction, battery life that surpasses anyone in the industry, with some of the best integrated power management and sleep features, industry leading led quality displays, still the fastest and cleverest transfer port with firewire...

Glass trackpads are a rarity I'll admit, though it's a questionable trait to bring to a comparison at best. Granted, the trackpads on the last generation of MBPs are probably the best I've used with or without a glass surface.

The rest of the traits you mention are either non-issues, like Firewire, or flat-out wrong, like the battery life and display issues. Apple has been surpassed on pretty much every front, it's only in the combination of all these things that they are still reasonably competitive. And that's also why we're hoping for a MBP refresh, preferably two months ago.

I am not going to dignify posts I consider bellow my level of discourse with a reply. ...
I just wish everyone would eventually get a life other than attacking apple and apple fans in apple fan forums. ...
Again I have to stress how disappointing the moderating has been allowing such sort of abusive behavior by people who consider their opinion to have any more gravity than others here. ...
What's there to be said here I wonder?

I think "pot, meet kettle" would be appropriate myself.

 

[bluehaze013]

Perhaps you guys could take the arguing to PM's? Nothing personal just would be nice if those of us wanting to discuss the topic of the thread could do so without wading through all the OT bickering back and forth...

 

[CP123]

Perhaps you guys could take the arguing to PM's? Nothing personal just would be nice if those of us wanting to discuss the topic of the thread could do so without wading through all the OT bickering back and forth...

Why should we discuss a Sony laptop on a Mac forum. Why don't y'all take this thread to a Sony forum?

 

[cmanbrazil]

As a new person to this forum, who came here to get more information about the possibility of new macbook pro's, I like good discussion about apple and its products. I really didn't expect it. I expected a fanboy forum. However, through debate, I believe I am becoming more informed about the products I choose to purchase.

I am very pro osx. I am also very anti the lack of choices for hardware it has. When I have voiced this concern, there are some on this site that, upon reading any criticism, rush to write, "well, just don't buy a mac then." However, most people give me there rationale for disagreeing with me or write why the agree.

On this particular issue, the unfortunate deciding factor is the os. Even if I agreed that apple hardware is outdated, overpriced, and now inferior to the offerings of some pc makers, I am not using windows 7. I was okay with xp until i saw what osx could comparatively do. Maybe as I spend more time with windows 7 at work, I might change my mind. Truthfully, If the osx wasn't the main issue for most, I don't think mac would have a third of the customers it has. All of the commercials they put out touts the os way more than the hardware.

So in my view, telling someone else makes a better computer doesn't help, unless they can compete with what the computer actually does.

 

[Tyrion]

Why should we discuss a Sony laptop on a Mac forum. Why don't y'all take this thread to a Sony forum?

I'm not particularly interested in Sony. This thread is right where it belongs, reminding us of what we could and should expect in Apple's own 13-incher. It's a small and welcome disturbance in the reality-distortion-field

 

[NewGenAdam]

Why should we discuss a Sony laptop on a Mac forum. Why don't y'all take this thread to a Sony forum?

because it's highly relevant; we're only discussing it in the absence of a comparable mac which we would immediately discuss instead were it released.

Would you have all conversation not fitting into respective vendors' products on generic laptop forums?
Perhaps a "3rd party hardware" sub-forum might be helpful

 

[CP123]

I would love to see what some of you do if the updated MBP falls way short of the new Sony laptop. What are you going to do then?

 

[bluehaze013]

Why should we discuss a Sony laptop on a Mac forum. Why don't y'all take this thread to a Sony forum?

Maybe because i'm interested in both, and even moreso interested in reading about the subject from other peoples point of view?

Seems like a perfectly valid thread, actually the most intersting one on the forums to me the only thing that ruins it is all the OT bickering...

 

[CP123]

Maybe because i'm interested in both, and even moreso interested in reading about the subject from other peoples point of view?

Seems like a perfectly valid thread, actually the most intersting one on the forums to me the only thing that ruins it is all the OT bickering...

You need to hear other people's point of view on a Sony laptop, in an Apple forum. Did you also go to the Sony forum to look for Sony owners point of view of MBPs? I seriously doubt you did.

 

[JoeG4]

I would love to see what some of you do if the updated MBP falls way short of the new Sony laptop. What are you going to do then?

Man up and buy the sony, lol.

I find it funny myself, one of my friends *REALLY* wants a Z series, and that sparked me into looking at the F series (the 16" with similar features)..

It's nice, just used one today in fact, but it reminds me more of a great big MacBook with an i7 in it, than it does a MacBook Pro, lol.

DANGIT! WHY! I just have a really really hard time paying $1500 for a "last gen" machine.

 

[bluehaze013]

You need to hear other people's point of view on a Sony laptop, in an Apple forum. Did you also go to the Sony forum to look for Sony owners point of view of MBPs? I seriously doubt you did.

Of course I have and am still doing so currently...why wouldn't I? That is a silly question...

 

[CP123]

Of course I have and am still doing so currently...why wouldn't I? That is a silly question...

You found Sony owners who have MacBook Pros, and they gave a review of both laptops on a Sony forum?

 

[bluehaze013]

You found Sony owners who have MacBook Pros, and they gave a review of both laptops on a Sony forum?

Of course, not sure why that is so hard for you to believe? That is the whole point of visiting different websites. I visit both notebookreview and macrumors and several other. Some are more Apple biased as some are more PC biased but you can gather the good with the bad and make your own unbiased evaluations from the input you recieve. At least that is what I usually do...I don't wish to add to the bickering and OT of this thread though so I am just going to leave it at that and hopefully we can get back on topic.

Cheers mate.

 

[CP123]

Of course, not sure why that is so hard for you to believe? That is the whole point of visiting different websites. I visit both notebookreview and macrumors and several other. Some are more Apple biased as some are more PC biased but you can gather the good with the bad and make your own unbiased evaluations from the input you recieve. At least that is what I usually do...I don't wish to add to the bickering and OT of this thread though so I am just going to leave it at that and hopefully we can get back on topic.

Cheers mate.

Well good for you. I hope you find the right laptop that you're looking for.

 

[bluehaze013]

Well good for you. I hope you find the right laptop that you're looking for.

Thanks mate, my decision is pretty much down to these two either Sony Z or MBP 13" I am trying my best to wait out for the MBP refresh but growing impatient fast here. It is mostly dependent on what hardware the MBP will come with but I also want to buy something soon so don't have so much time to wait. Hopefully even if it's not ready we at least have the information what hardware the MBP 13" will be using by the time Sony Z hits retail so I can decide wether to wait or not. If not even any info by then I will probably not wait and just go ahead and get the Sony at this point.

 

[CP123]

Thanks mate, my decision is pretty much down to these two either Sony Z or MBP 13" I am trying my best to wait out for the MBP refresh but growing impatient fast here. It is mostly dependent on what hardware the MBP will come with but I also want to buy something soon so don't have so much time to wait. Hopefully even if it's not ready we at least have the information what hardware the MBP 13" will be using by the time Sony Z hits retail so I can decide wether to wait or not. If not even any info by then I will probably not wait and just go ahead and get the Sony at this point.

If the the choice of OS is not a problem for you, then you should get the Sony. A lot of people seem to like it.

 

[DarthSnuggles]

Wow. I had always thought that the Apple "look-thing" was some form of self-irony, as in "yea, I paid a lot for it, but hey, it's pretty... ", but obviously there are people who actually see it as a deciding factor of some sort? Who would've thought?

I'm an engineer and a very left brained person by default. I used to feel something to the effect of: "I care not for the chrome, I care only for the technical merit."

However, as I've actively tried to engage my right brain more and more, I see the appeal. Satisfaction is as much perceptual as it is empirical. Some people have standards of absolute high fashion clothing and some people could care less. Neither point of view is less valid; they simply differ in priority.

I will say this though; women tend to appreciate the aesthetics more than men.

 

[JoeG4]

I'm studying to be an engineer myself, and do web design and other stuff for fun. You don't have to be an engineer to pick up the Sony, and then pick up the MacBook Pro and realize that the Sony doesn't feel as nice as the MacBook Pro.

Wait, I just said that? After the 3 or so posts I've contributed bashing the MBP and praising the Sony? Yah, that's why there's so many of us sitting here beating our heads against the wall.

The MacBook Pros are nice, all metal machines that have some very nice design touches that the Sonys don't have. One that I find so basic, and others seem to not get, is the trackpad. I was checking out some laptops today, I must've used 10 or 20 different nice Windows laptops, and the Sony F series had the nicest trackpad out of all of them.

That isn't saying much, the oft touted HP Envy had the worst trackpad in the entire time I was there. Yes, it has a nice tactile quality to it, just like the MacBooks! However, when you try to actually use it in Windows, it makes you want to smash it!

Anyway, the F series (which I was considering vs a 15" base MacBook Pro), is a far scream from the MacBook Pro - i7 620 vs 2.53ghz C2D, Geforce 330m vs Geforce 9400M, 500gb 7200rpm HD vs.. ? , blu-ray drive vs no blu-ray drive, 1920x1080 vs 1440x900 (ouch!)

The Sony? About $1300, 1400 for a fully loaded one with backlit keyboard and stuff. The MacBook Pro? If I'm lucky, about $1400 on ebay after bing cashback [and I have to wait for a MBP to come up for 1550 or less].

Yet, i find myself highly troubled. The MacBook Pro feels svelte and clean, while the Sony feels big and plasticky. Yes, it's a NICE plasticky laptop, but it's plasticky.

Now for a sickening comparison, compare a 27" imac to anything in Frys. It's ridiculous! The way that 27" screen effortlessly adjusts up/down vs any crappy LCD there roflmao

 

[kny3twalker]

I'm studying to be an engineer myself, and do web design and other stuff for fun. You don't have to be an engineer to pick up the Sony, and then pick up the MacBook Pro and realize that the Sony doesn't feel as nice as the MacBook Pro.

Wait, I just said that? After the 3 or so posts I've contributed bashing the MBP and praising the Sony? Yah, that's why there's so many of us sitting here beating our heads against the wall.

The MacBook Pros are nice, all metal machines that have some very nice design touches that the Sonys don't have. One that I find so basic, and others seem to not get, is the trackpad. I was checking out some laptops today, I must've used 10 or 20 different nice Windows laptops, and the Sony F series had the nicest trackpad out of all of them.

That isn't saying much, the oft touted HP Envy had the worst trackpad in the entire time I was there. Yes, it has a nice tactile quality to it, just like the MacBooks! However, when you try to actually use it in Windows, it makes you want to smash it!

Anyway, the F series (which I was considering vs a 15" base MacBook Pro), is a far scream from the MacBook Pro - i7 620 vs 2.53ghz C2D, Geforce 330m vs Geforce 9400M, 500gb 7200rpm HD vs.. ? , blu-ray drive vs no blu-ray drive, 1920x1080 vs 1440x900 (ouch!)

The Sony? About $1300, 1400 for a fully loaded one with backlit keyboard and stuff. The MacBook Pro? If I'm lucky, about $1400 on ebay after bing cashback [and I have to wait for a MBP to come up for 1550 or less].

Yet, i find myself highly troubled. The MacBook Pro feels svelte and clean, while the Sony feels big and plasticky. Yes, it's a NICE plasticky laptop, but it's plasticky.

Now for a sickening comparison, compare a 27" imac to anything in Frys. It's ridiculous! The way that 27" screen effortlessly adjusts up/down vs any crappy LCD there roflmao

I do not know where you could find one outside of any office environment but look at a real business class windows laptop like a elitebook or thinkpad, you might be more impressed than the sonys. And dell ultrasharps and hp lp series monitors are every bit as good as the cinema displays and imacs without the glass panel/computer built in. But they are not aluminum shelled.

 

[sevadox]

I'm studying to be an engineer myself, and do web design and other stuff for fun. You don't have to be an engineer to pick up the Sony, and then pick up the MacBook Pro and realize that the Sony doesn't feel as nice as the MacBook Pro.

Wait, I just said that? After the 3 or so posts I've contributed bashing the MBP and praising the Sony? Yah, that's why there's so many of us sitting here beating our heads against the wall.

The MacBook Pros are nice, all metal machines that have some very nice design touches that the Sonys don't have. One that I find so basic, and others seem to not get, is the trackpad. I was checking out some laptops today, I must've used 10 or 20 different nice Windows laptops, and the Sony F series had the nicest trackpad out of all of them.

That isn't saying much, the oft touted HP Envy had the worst trackpad in the entire time I was there. Yes, it has a nice tactile quality to it, just like the MacBooks! However, when you try to actually use it in Windows, it makes you want to smash it!

Anyway, the F series (which I was considering vs a 15" base MacBook Pro), is a far scream from the MacBook Pro - i7 620 vs 2.53ghz C2D, Geforce 330m vs Geforce 9400M, 500gb 7200rpm HD vs.. ? , blu-ray drive vs no blu-ray drive, 1920x1080 vs 1440x900 (ouch!)

The Sony? About $1300, 1400 for a fully loaded one with backlit keyboard and stuff. The MacBook Pro? If I'm lucky, about $1400 on ebay after bing cashback [and I have to wait for a MBP to come up for 1550 or less].

Yet, i find myself highly troubled. The MacBook Pro feels svelte and clean, while the Sony feels big and plasticky. Yes, it's a NICE plasticky laptop, but it's plasticky.

Now for a sickening comparison, compare a 27" imac to anything in Frys. It's ridiculous! The way that 27" screen effortlessly adjusts up/down vs any crappy LCD there roflmao

I was in this dilemma as well until i discovered three things about the vaio F: 1)glossy screen, 2)abysmal battery life and 3)its a heavy mofo.

so im back at waiting for mbp

 

[neondrgns]

I was in this dilemma as well until i discovered three things about the vaio F: 1)glossy screen, 2)abysmal battery life and 3)its a heavy mofo.

so im back at waiting for mbp

wow thats pretty ignorant, its like comparing a mbp to a rock, way to pick the ********* line of notebooks to compare to the macbook pro, this is a sony vaio z thread why dont you compare it to the sony vaio z

the sony vaio z is 3 pounds, the mbp 13" is 5.5 pounds. the sony vaio z is also rated to have a 6.5 hour battery life, the 13" is supposed to be 7, real world tests of both have them at 4 hours each. the mbp 13" has a glossy screen with no anti glare option.

 

[kny3twalker]

wow thats pretty ignorant, its like comparing a mbp to a rock, way to pick the ********* line of notebooks to compare to the macbook pro, this is a sony vaio z thread why dont you compare it to the sony vaio z

the sony vaio z is 3 pounds, the mbp 13" is 5.5 pounds. the sony vaio z is also rated to have a 6.5 hour battery life, the 13" is supposed to be 7, real world tests of both have them at 4 hours each. the mbp 13" has a glossy screen with no anti glare option.

the mbp 13" is 4.5 lbs and can get 5 to 6 hours of usage pretty easily.

 

[zipa]

Satisfaction is as much perceptual as it is empirical. Some people have standards of absolute high fashion clothing and some people could care less. Neither point of view is less valid; they simply differ in priority.

Very true, of course, and I was in no way implying that one would have merit over the other, just that *to me* they are like night and day.

the mbp 13" is 4.5 lbs and can get 5 to 6 hours of usage pretty easily.

You can slap a bigger battery on the Sony and still be in MBP weight range.

Slightly OT: Does anyone know if the keyboard on the Sony can be exchanged without too much of a hassle?

 

[sevadox]

wow thats pretty ignorant, its like comparing a mbp to a rock, way to pick the ********* line of notebooks to compare to the macbook pro, this is a sony vaio z thread why dont you compare it to the sony vaio z

the sony vaio z is 3 pounds, the mbp 13" is 5.5 pounds. the sony vaio z is also rated to have a 6.5 hour battery life, the 13" is supposed to be 7, real world tests of both have them at 4 hours each. the mbp 13" has a glossy screen with no anti glare option.

Sorry dude, you seem to have misread. We were talking about Vaio "F"s, not Zs. Read carefully before you call someone ignorant :]