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***Sony Vaio Z*** Stone-cold killer! It's going to be Apple Vs Sony for Arrandale imo
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I really don't see how "may people wouldn't have thought" all these feasible. It's not like they put a couple of 3.5" hds in a 13" laptop, it's all very predictable...
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There, I've saved us a ton of time from arguing such a pointless point. Nice chat we had there. Take it easy, hear?
trust me... i and a lot of us are considering the vaio z....
icore plus ssd plus 1600x900 AND 7 hrs bat life with standard battery and 11 battery life with extended batter all under 4 lbs is wanting me to make the switch back to pc
Are you intentionally ignorant?
The $4500 price you're quoting is for a special limited edition, totally decked out version of the laptop. I'm pretty sure you could come up with a $4500 MBP through the BTO options.
Base price for the Z is around $1800. Not to mention it kicks every MBPs ass right now.
Don't know if anyones mentioned this yet it's actually 1" thick, the 1.3" figure comes from adding in the feet on the battery that stick below the lappy to tilt it toward you. Granted it is still 1.3" thick in that area but it is not the same as being 1.3" thick throughout.
So after failing to come up with consistent arguments in support of your views you'd prefer if no one voiced any opposition, right? *sigh*
Obviously not, since Apple currently doesn't offer a compelling alternative to the new VAIOs.
Every forum dedicated to hardware and software will inevitably end up with threads dedicated to product comparisons. They'd be pretty terrible if they didn't, all that'd remain at that point would be narrow-minded evangelism.
The new Sony Vaio Z offer almost everything people would love to see in a new MBP, hardware-wise anyway, and it's only natural it gets a lot of attention.
A fair few of us, myself included, are fearing that Apple will fall far short of even the less over-the-top features of the Z and not without good reasons either.
Fortunately for me I'm not locked into buying Apple products but it's definitely an option that remains on the table, for now, and since a lot of other people are in the same boat as myself it's more than reasonable with threads such as these.
The moderators may certainly disagree, once the mud-slinging reaches a certain threshold, but pointing out the strengths and weaknesses of new hardware competing with whatever Apple ends up pushing out through the door next is by no means off-topic for the forum.
Android, Symbian, Linux, Windows Mobile. The list is long, and accounts for almost 90 % of the smartphone market, so claiming that Apple has some kind of a monopoly there is just plain absurd.
The whole monopoly argument is absurd. People really don't understand what a monopoly is. There must be market dominance.
who else is allowed to make a osx machone?
Anybody. It's totally off-the-shelf hardware.
Besides, that's about as valid an argument as claiming that Ford has a monopoly in something since no-one else is allowed to build Ford cars.
it used to be the case pre-Intel hardware. Now the only thing that's really compelling with Apple is the software.
Here's hoping SJ didn't get angry at the MacBook division because Sony seemed to do the impossible and made their Vaio Z look like awesome.
who else is allowed to make a osx machone?
Some of you guys are thick. Let's try this again. A monopoly has everything to do with unfair practices due to market dominance. It must have an adverse effect on competition. Apple, OSX, iPhone do not dominate their respective markets.
Osx is a proprietary operating system for Mac products. That's not a monopoly it's like saying KFC has a monopoly because of it's secret ingredient seasoning. Now if Apple had 90% of the market of PCs and only allowed Osx then you have some anti-trust issues.
I agree. I read this thread because the power packed little Vaio Z is, indeed, an intriguing machine. Nevertheless, I have been a Mac laptop guy for 7 years and despite having spent nearly the whole of my professional life in Windows shops, don't plan to replace my current Macbook Pro with anything but another OS X laptop. That way, I can run both OS X and Windows apps and have the best of both worlds. Can the Vaio do that? Never mind.
If Apple ever refreshes the Macbook Air so that it has anything like the features available on the Vaio Z, I will seriously consider buying one. As much as I like my nearly 7 pound 17 inch MB Pro, the prospect of being able to get its kind of power and flexibility in a tiny MBA that weighed only 3 pounds is an enticing one. At the moment though, the MBA's hard wired memory, short battery life, and flimsy hinges have eliminated it from my consideration.
+1, what this guy said. I'm sick of hearing people say it's $4500us. I would never be interested in a $4500 limited edition notebook. Only the signature edition is that price! the base model starts at $1800 and still has very good specs.
For all you that care.. take a look at the first 4 models listed here
Sony Vaio Z.. First 4 models and starting prices
or here
I'd say that the group of people you refer to as "all you who are crying out for more specs" in general want little more than boosted specs.
There are always vocal people on forums, myself included, but they tend to fit into two categories: (1) people who complain for something particular they'd like and (2) people who complain, ostensibly, for the very sake of complaining.
The majority of people fit into the former. Be careful not to conflate the two and offend the former as trolls!
Personally, I think the Sony Vaio Z is a beautiful machine offering the weight of a MacBook Air, the size of a MacBook Pro 13", and the specs of a far greater machine.
It's not be be dismissed! I hope Apple act competitively in their next update because otherwise I'll be tempted to ditch my beloved OS X and multitouch-pad for a Z.
True. I will be careful. But sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between the two. Additionally I will say a lot of people fit into the latter.
Oh, is that the reason why sonny forums don't have apple portable threads? Because Sonny has such superior products? What else are we going to hear in these forums... What actually happens is that people like to promote their similar/inferior products in the industry leaders forums, not the other way around. You won't go into the kia forums and see advertisement threads for bmws.
I am sorry Adam, but the latter is the majority in these forums, that are made up (myself included) by neurotic tec geeks. The vast majority of buyers couldn't care less for that or the other feature that's going to add up 5% in the performance of their machines, and which will be outdated and almost obsolete in 2 years time max. And rightly so. Of course some of us here are more neurotic than others, and the more neurotic are the more vocal as well, nothing will please them as they are by definition dissatisfied and they think that by projecting their woes on a machine they are making their life any easier.
Some of us here are also into some kind of sadomasochistic tendency to tout non apple products in apple forums. They know they are going to get heat for it, they are going to face opposition, yet they like it anyway (the masochistic bit) and they also like inflicting the pain (the sadistic bit) to other users in these forums who have made a technological choice and don't want this choice to be undermined, second guessed or ridiculed by others. I have never in my life gone to a pc oriented forum to tout apple products, and almost no apple user ever has. Yet the contrary does not apply.
And of course there are problems with the moderating here that allow, or even actively encourage this behavior. I am an apple fan, I come here for people sharing a mutual interest in apple oriented technology, If I want to read the pc side of things I ll go in an appropriate forum. Like I said I don't my technological stance to be critiqued, second guessed, or mocked by anyone with a lot of time in their hands and nothing better to do with their lives. In any other pc forum this mockery of a thread would have been locked. (This is of course a hypothetical scenario because such threads don't exist in pc forums in the first place.) Ok, we heard about the vaio, thanks for letting us know what a great option it is but the overwhelming majority here has made up their minds thought that they are going with apple instead, and are interested to read other people's opinions on their macbook pros. Now you said your bit, you made your little black marketing thread, we heard it, we heard about how apple is always slow to update and nowhere near as innovative as to include a vga port, and with the ample tolerance of the moderating here everyone got a chance to bash apple once more, fantastic.... But what's the point in continuing to discuss a vaio any more in the macbook pro sub forum? Lock the damn thread, end of story.
yay that makes debate flow with less friction. Although I'd say Macrumors has pretty good members, maybe I agree that "trolls" are more common than I'd like.
haha of course you get heat for trolling, even if you're sincere! I do agree that good debate benefits from a little provocative nudge, but I'm not s&m. I think it's essential to listen to, respond, and respect opposing views. Asses and acknowledge their merit!
Anyway, hurry up Apple and get your new MacBooks out so I can establish whether or not i'm going to defect
sony has an educational discount
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs...Id=8198552921644569397&parentCategoryId=16154
non customizable one starts at 1766....this may whoop my hopes of getting a mbp
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs...Id=8198552921644569397&parentCategoryId=16154
non customizable one starts at 1766....this may whoop my hopes of getting a mbp
I failed to mention in my earlier post that every time I consider giving up on Apple and returning to a Windows only machine, even one as intriguing as the Vaio Z, I change my mind. Despite being overpriced by some standards and often behind the curve in the latest, greatest features available, Apple provides customer service that is unparalleled in the industry if you buy AppleCare.
Shortly after I bought my old Powerbook G4 17 inch, 7 years ago, I learned that if the hard drive failed out of warranty a replacement would cost about $500.00. I immediately bought AppleCare coverage, for about $250.00, which extended the standard warranty and provided full coverage for parts and labor, plus unlimited telephone support, for 3 years. When I got my current MBP 17 inch a couple of years ago, I got AppleCare for it, too. It is a good thing. My logic board died over the weekend and Apple replaced it at no cost to me. I understand that the retail price for a replacement logic board is about $800. Yikes! Thus, that $250.00 I spent on AppleCare is looking good right now.
Shortly after I bought my old Powerbook G4 17 inch, 7 years ago, I learned that if the hard drive failed out of warranty a replacement would cost about $500.00. I immediately bought AppleCare coverage, for about $250.00, which extended the standard warranty and provided full coverage for parts and labor, plus unlimited telephone support, for 3 years. When I got my current MBP 17 inch a couple of years ago, I got AppleCare for it, too. It is a good thing. My logic board died over the weekend and Apple replaced it at no cost to me. I understand that the retail price for a replacement logic board is about $800. Yikes! Thus, that $250.00 I spent on AppleCare is looking good right now.
Good points. But as far as the latest and greatest go, I don't see many manufacturers with glass trackpads, multitouch enabled trackpads, durable unibody construction, battery life that surpasses anyone in the industry, with some of the best integrated power management and sleep features, industry leading led quality displays, still the fastest and cleverest transfer port with firewire...and I won't go into the whole software side of things. The "latest and greatest" is just another sad myth from the pc side, that amounts to an extra stick of memory, coming to the market a few weeks earlier with some poorly implemented intel configuration, a vga port, and a few more options for storage.