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***Sony Vaio Z*** Stone-cold killer! It's going to be Apple Vs Sony for Arrandale imo
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meh sony vaio z is a good computer if you're looking for something portable and good, but it's not a desktop replacement...
I just bought an Asus G73JH-A1, total desktop replacement and an awesome machine.... NOT for carrying around constantly though lol 9 lbs...
I just bought an Asus G73JH-A1, total desktop replacement and an awesome machine.... NOT for carrying around constantly though lol 9 lbs...
The Sony Vaio i7 laptops will clearly run Windows applications very quickly. Equally clearly, they won't run OS X applications at all. Nobody's computers but Apple's can do that. Consequently, I will happily continue to "cripple" along on my 2.4Ghz Macbook Pro that runs both OS X and Windows apps with equal aplomb. The moral of this story is that slower beats not at all every time.
Just checked your link. I found the Sony Vaio i7 all right but there was a catch, a catch 22: "Ship date approx 5 weeks following your order." Oops!
Just checked your link. I found the Sony Vaio i7 all right but there was a catch, a catch 22: "Ship date approx 5 weeks following your order." Oops!
Haha oh man. Please tell me you were using that ironically or were just trolling or something.
I don't want to be discourteous here, so bear with me and follow the links I provide and tell me what you think then. The original link to the Conics site shows icons for a number of computers, including a link to a Sony Vaio Z. Click that link and it takes you here. The second link down on that page, for the Sony Vaio Z i7, then takes you here. Immediately below the Available Options section on the Sony Vaio Z i7 page appears a legend, which is printed in bright red letters. It says: "Ship date approx 5 weeks following your order."
There was no trolling, I just took the time to find out what the facts were if one wanted a Sony Vaio Z i7 from Conics. Are we on the same page now?
Yeah, that was just my no doubt clumsy attempt at a literary allusion. I was referring to Joseph Heller's classic World War II novel, "Catch 22." One of its more memorable characters was Major Major who, when he was out was really in and when he was in, he was really out. Those were Catch 22s. I used the phrase to make the point that Conics' listing the i7s for sale -- but not deliverable for 5 weeks seemed to me to be a classic Catch 22. You may have caught something else that I missed though. It wouldn't be the first time if I did miss something.
I don't know how it happened but this weird PC thread in the MacRumors Forums has turned out to be kind of fun.
Yeah, that was just my no doubt clumsy attempt at a literary allusion. I was referring to Joseph Heller's classic World War II novel, "Catch 22." One of its more memorable characters was Major Major who, when he was out was really in and when he was in, he was really out. Those were Catch 22s. I used the phrase to make the point that Conics' listing the i7s for sale -- but not deliverable for 5 weeks seemed to me to be a classic Catch 22. You may have caught something else that I missed though. It wouldn't be the first time if I did miss something.
I don't know how it happened but this weird PC thread in the MacRumors Forums has turned out to be kind of fun.
I'm afraid you are missing the essence of catch-22. This situation would be a catch-22 if you can place an order when it is out of stock, but as soon as it's in stock your order is canceled and you can no longer place an order. I hope this gives you a better idea of what catch-22 means.
Anyway back on topic. Seems like you are really eager to get your hands on a Core i7 Vaio Z, so here's some help. If you visit this site: http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs...52921666065650&categoryId=8198552921644569398 you can customize a Vaio Z with the Core i7 640M. And if you choose to include the Verizon WWAN card, it ships within 6 business days. Best of luck!
I'm not sure if I'm for these or against these.
*sigh* My F series came with a faulty power brick, so I returned it, and the second one now has a faulty power brick too. For some reason, when idling while plugged in, the brick starts spazzing out and draws fluctuating amounts of power, rather violently too.
It's violent enough you can see the lights on the same circuit flicker!
I'm not sure what to do because I like the machine but Sony can't seem to get together a decent power supply, lol.
*sigh* My F series came with a faulty power brick, so I returned it, and the second one now has a faulty power brick too. For some reason, when idling while plugged in, the brick starts spazzing out and draws fluctuating amounts of power, rather violently too.
It's violent enough you can see the lights on the same circuit flicker!
I'm not sure what to do because I like the machine but Sony can't seem to get together a decent power supply, lol.
Have you actually read the Book, or just the Wikipedia article? One wonders. A Catch 22 is any bureaucratic action that places someone in a no win situation. For someone who thought he could get an i7 from Conics immediately, only to learn that it would be 5 weeks before it shipped, it seemed to me it was, indeed, a Catch 22 situation. What we have here is clearly another failure to communicate -- that's an allusion to "Cool Hand Luke," in case you were wondering.
Did a quick look... and well, that is by far the best constructed VAIO I've ever seen. Case is just as solid as mine former unibody 15" but has no creaking bottom cover. Given that previous Z had mediocre build quality I'm just astonished at how different new model exactly is. Now I'm a lot less interested in MBP's update as well.
Haha, I'm afraid your trolling lacks a subtle touch. You make it too obvious for the other person to see through, so you don't get the desired effect of inciting anger in the other person. But not bad, though. I must confess that I remember your posts in another thread, which helped make what you are doing really obvious. Perhaps it would not have been so obvious otherwise.
Yeah, that was just my no doubt clumsy attempt at a literary allusion. I was referring to Joseph Heller's classic World War II novel, "Catch 22." One of its more memorable characters was Major Major who, when he was out was really in and when he was in, he was really out. Those were Catch 22s. I used the phrase to make the point that Conics' listing the i7s for sale -- but not deliverable for 5 weeks seemed to me to be a classic Catch 22. You may have caught something else that I missed though. It wouldn't be the first time if I did miss something.
I don't know how it happened but this weird PC thread in the MacRumors Forums has turned out to be kind of fun.
Sorry to burst your bubble gwsat but that's not a catch-22. It's nowhere near. It's just simply a long wait for a laptop delivery.
Yossarian's dilemma was that if he tried to prove he was mad in order to leave the airforce then that simple act of self-preservation would prove his sanity.
I've enjoyed you fighting your corner in this thread but when you start trashing classic literature I have to step in.
Try not to be so pompous and maybe people will listen to you.
You got the F series which is horrible IMO for a laptop. Do you enjoy maxing out your core i7 720qm at 1.6ghz on battery? Or how about your super-reflective screen? Or what about your 2 hr battery life combined with 8lbs of bulkiness? You might as well have bought an iMac, since the Sony Vaio F is only good plugged in. I remember warning you not to get the F, but it seems like you didn't listen. Now you can get a Sony Vaio Z for only $200 bucks more, which is their premium line.
How come there is like no videos of unboxing of the sony vaio z on youtube? I cant really see any clear and detailed pictures of the sony vaio z from every direction. Is there a good place to find good pictures or videos?
can't find any unboxing videos either, but here are unboxing pics:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=466881
Just for you GWSAT
I can't believe we are going on and on about the availability of the Z.
Here is a screen shot of my system. It shows clearly it is a Z and just look at the windows experience score. 7.9 for the Quad SSD. That's unbeatable from anything in a sub 3kg laptop, and I am coming from a 10 year Mac experience. It is hard to admit, but just look at the facts. Just hope the images dont ruin your day.
I however am happy to wait for a 17 inch MBP as and when Apple chooses to release it Hopefully sooner rather than later. But something deep down inside tells me that the specs are going to be very similar with my ultraportable Z.
I can't believe we are going on and on about the availability of the Z.
Here is a screen shot of my system. It shows clearly it is a Z and just look at the windows experience score. 7.9 for the Quad SSD. That's unbeatable from anything in a sub 3kg laptop, and I am coming from a 10 year Mac experience. It is hard to admit, but just look at the facts. Just hope the images dont ruin your day.
I however am happy to wait for a 17 inch MBP as and when Apple chooses to release it
Hopefully sooner rather than later. But something deep down inside tells me that the specs are going to be very similar with my ultraportable Z.Attachments
I can't believe we are going on and on about the availability of the Z.
Here is a screen shot of my system. It shows clearly it is a Z and just look at the windows experience score. 7.9 for the Quad SSD. That's unbeatable from anything in a sub 3kg laptop, and I am coming from a 10 year Mac experience. It is hard to admit, but just look at the facts. Just hope the images dont ruin your day.
I however am happy to wait for a 17 inch MBP as and when Apple chooses to release it
spec's spec's spec's .... realize that most people do NOT care ... they are most interested in 'day to day' user experience and in my personal experience nothing beats the mac so far.
Great keyboard, screen, thin, light, unibody etc it all ad's up to a notebook that's fun to work on, handle and enjoy.
The Z's keyboard isn't at nice, you have a sqatty 13.1" screen, the '09 Z I had was hot and loud and cheap feeling to handle, nothing like the MBP's we own. Then consider the ridiculous high resolution on a tiny 13" screen ... maybe good for watching movies, but not reading text ....
Ah, Sony just isn't it anymore, the Z isn't it, never was in the 2 or 3 that went through our office.
I'm simply stating the facts from our experience, I'd like to buy a thin/light windows notebook that provides the same great day to day user experience the mac's do ... but there's not one out there yet that satisfies us anywhere near the mac's ... so much so my company spent near $100,000 on Apple products in '09 ... that money used to go to Lenovo and Dell ...
Peace.
To each his own.
You have to admit though, that specs play a vital part in the whole equation of usability. Can you imagine a Ferrari with a pinto engine? It looks great, feels great, the seats are great, but man, does it take a long time to reach 60mph. You sit in the car and comfort yourselves by knowing you look great in it
PC's on the other hand are like japanese tuners, some look ugly, it doesnt feel right, seat are cheap but man can they fly.
The Z to me is like the middle road between these two extremes. Mind you I have recent Macs myself ( i own a 15 Alu and 17 mid 2009) But we have to admit they are aging. My 15 had 2 battery replacements and my 17 is due for a replacement battery.
Issues with my 15 (2007):
First one was returned because of a faulty motherboard
Battery expanded due to heat and was replaced
Yellow tinge on LCD
Creaks (understandable as its 3 years old)
LCD latch failure
Issues with my 17 (mid 2009):
First one returned due to stagelight effect at the bottom of the LCD
Very uneven backlight due to fans blowing onto LCD. IMO is a design flaw.
Glass peeling away from LCD
All is not bliss with Apple. I am sure this things are bound to happen with any other manufacturer, so lets not kid ourselves by saying Apple products are perfect.
Regarding the keyboard, how is the new Z's keyboard any different from a MBP? Both of them are in front of me and if i blindfold myself and use the keyboards, I wont be able to tell the difference. The have the almost the same travel and feedback. The 15 i have has the best keyboard among the three
Regarding the screen size, thats a personal preference and a point not to be argued. Its basically pointless bringing up size comparisons like "is a 15 better than a 13 or a 17?"
Regarding resolution, when is a higher resolution a very bad thing? Text can always be scaled, applications can be scaled with the flexibility of watching movies at full HD. If i had a 1440x900 how is it possible to view a full HD movie in all its glory. It is just not physically possible.
Well, Vaio Z is one hell of a laptop. If only, it uses the aluminium casing, glass multitouch track pads and runs OSX.
I do have MBA, MBP and Z, i must say Z dissipates tremendous amount of heat, and the fans can be quite annoying. Lucky i am a right hander - otherwise i will get hot air blowing on my skin (air vent on the left side).
The touch pad - is not great at all. I find it difficult to get used to it, in comparison to a MBP touch pads.
One thing worth to mention is that the quad-SSD is really fast (i am sure it can be faster, if the individual SSDs are running Sandforce). Anyway, the user experience is very satisfying considering the fact that there's no lag in launching apps and stuffs. I haven't tried processing my RAW files on it yet though. Now doing a lot of development and word processing on it.
The other thing worth to note, is going in and out Hibernate is really slow (as i would expect an immediate effect like Mac), but guess its a Windows 7 thing, plus my Z has 8GB RAM ... so... it takes time to write the RAM to disk.
In summary - i am satisfied with my Z, bought it because i needed to use Windows 7. Its fast and looks good (from top). It has its quirks - but something that one can get used to. I would definitely think Apple will come out with something similar very soon
I do have MBA, MBP and Z, i must say Z dissipates tremendous amount of heat, and the fans can be quite annoying. Lucky i am a right hander - otherwise i will get hot air blowing on my skin (air vent on the left side).
The touch pad - is not great at all. I find it difficult to get used to it, in comparison to a MBP touch pads.
One thing worth to mention is that the quad-SSD is really fast (i am sure it can be faster, if the individual SSDs are running Sandforce). Anyway, the user experience is very satisfying considering the fact that there's no lag in launching apps and stuffs. I haven't tried processing my RAW files on it yet though. Now doing a lot of development and word processing on it.
The other thing worth to note, is going in and out Hibernate is really slow (as i would expect an immediate effect like Mac), but guess its a Windows 7 thing, plus my Z has 8GB RAM ... so... it takes time to write the RAM to disk.
In summary - i am satisfied with my Z, bought it because i needed to use Windows 7. Its fast and looks good (from top). It has its quirks - but something that one can get used to. I would definitely think Apple will come out with something similar very soon
Sigh it's these generic "user experience" defenses that really bother me . Again I'd like to state i've used macs along with pcs most of my working career and I actually DO like macs... but not anymore or anyless that I do my pcs.
And what does the unibody part of a mac have to do with user experience? To be honest the merits of apple's unibody aluminum cases are really overblown by apple. In short it really is just a cheaper way to make cases for them. Design wise it looks nice but it being more sturdy really doesn't have much to do with the fact it's aluminum.
The other things you mention... Thin, Light, Screen.... The Vaio Z actually has the 13 inch Macbook Pro pretty much matched or beat in all of these. There are a few choices in resolution on the screen and you can easily change dpi to make fonts easier to see.. it gives you a choice.
Finally how does specs not account for user experience? A computer running aps more snappy feels remarkably better than a computer that is slower. Right now I have a Core2Duo laptop for my onsite event work and a i7 desktop doing the grunt of my home processing. Whenever I get home after a long business trip i'm always plesantly surprised how much snappier my desktop is than my laptop. It matters. (btw the specific case is going through a massive amount of pictures and editing them esp 24mp raw files ugh)
Also if you are looking for a series that is very comparable straight up to a Mac laptop check out the sony cw. I'm sure there are others but don't know off the top of my head.
I dislike how vague they are, but let me explain a few things which constitute this experience on my 13" ideal
- spacious trackpad which is multitouch
This is a revolutionary technology which I sorely miss on PCs
- spaces. and expose.
I want portability, a 13 inch display. But I also want efficient management of applications, windows, tabs. Yes win7 is an update, but it comes nowhere near the superb organisation facilitated by mac os x. Although win7 did try, bless
-superb hardware design
aluminium. nice. minimalist. although I dislike the glossy display...