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Agreed, and with decreasing sales that past couple of quarters, Apple needs to act now not later
Well yeah but the window is still open though I think the clock is ticking and they need to move sooner then later
It would be weird if Apple would put lower-tier CPU into the MBP... but anyway, the dell is a certainly better version of the MacBook AirEnjoy your purchase!
I looked at it this way.. even IF Apple decides to use the same i7 7500 processor, I couldn't turn down the huge discount of $700 or more (sale ended yesterday) for the equivalently equipped XPS vs 13" Retina MBP. I can buy a 2nd Mac Mini with that savings.
I never said I got any. I am just warning if OP goes with Windows, ransomware is a serious risk. I haven't had an infection myself for decades.
I love games, but I am trying to hold myself back to get a Macbook Pro to be able to focus on productivity. I am thinking to get a rMBP 13 in a week if Apple doesn't announce the date. I am gonna hold on till Thursday, I think they will announce it before that. I am holding back just because they may put 256GB SSD to the base model like they did with Macbook. I really hope they do it so I can save money.
Why would you reward Apple for not updating their hardware? Get a chrome book, get a surface, get a windows laptop with specs that don't let you game. Anything but give them money for not releasing hardware in a timely manner. It just gives them cart balanche.
You're not Tim Cook. Additionally, if Tim Cook wanted to read posts on MacRumors he wouldn't need a fake Internet account since MacRumors doesn't require a membership to read posts. As the CEO of the most valuable company in the world it can be certain that he has better things to do with his time that browse MacRumors.
I don't need a Chrome Book cuz I have an iPad Pro 9.7. Also they don't sell in my country. If I didn't have an iPad Pro, I would've gotten a Surface Pro 4. But it also doesn't have an official seller, just a single company imports them and sells them with so much profit margin. I want a Mac cuz I want to use macOS. Cuz of that, I have little to no options.
Don't know what country that is but it looks like no company cares what you buy. In that case purchase away. It seems foolish that you'd put up with outdated tech just for the MacOS. You can't do work on your iPad Pro? Then what was the point of buying it? They have you by b*lls and you gladly submit.
As much as I love my MacBook Pro, Windows 10 on my 13" Dell XPS and Surface Pro 4 is simply stellar.
Apple has sat back, fat and happy for too long, Microsoft gets the last laugh now.
I got iPad Pro for drawing and taking notes in the class. It wonderfully serves me for these purposes. But I am studying Software Engineering, I need a laptop for learning to code. The other reason why I want to get a Mac is, I can use my iPad Pro like a Cintiq drawing tablet to draw with Photoshop. I really want to wait the updated ones, but I am afraid that Apple will release them here in November (iPhone 7 released last Friday here). I decided to get a Macbook Pro this week because if the rumors are true, the event will be at 27th October (which is still odd because I've not seen Apple hold an event in Thursday) and it will not exceed the 14 day refund period. If they announce new MBP, I will refund my MBP and wait for the new ones to release. I know it sounds like taking advantage of the refund policy, but I also want to test things with macOS cuz I didn't own a Mac before.
You don't get it, it's cathartic.
I did the same when I finally gave up about three weeks ago (looks like I'm back in the course as my new work will let me use my own machine for starting, but as I already set my mind on switching I'm not sure I'll wait for the new MBP anyway. I won't wait long that's for sure.
Apple mac line is awful for pros, and is only saved by the fact Windows is an abomination to work with.
Apple seems to me, has gotten complacent, and they're paying for it in terms of falling sales.
This article was posted in another thread but I found it informative.
How Dire Is The State Of The MacBook In 2016? I Asked Around
Take it from a fellow engineer (software dev) : DON'T GET IN THE APPLE ECOSYSTEM for your working environment. I did that, I didn't listen to my colleagues, and now I'm stuck in a perpetual cycle of "wait for outdated, overpriced hardware which is a disappointment most of the time", with a couple exceptions such as the Retina screen one of iteration and battery life on another, which are usually copied under a year by PC competitors anyway.
Why do I stay ? I learned shortcuts, I bought softs, I got comfy. And now I would have to invest some serious time to get back to Linux / Windows. Time I don't have.
So yeah, stick with Linux.
Same goes for phones IMO, it's been a couple of year that Samsung as superior tech (AMOLED, waterproof phones etc) [Insert exploding joke], but I'm stuck in the Apple ecosystem here too.
If it was to be redone, I would have listened to my colleagues and stuck with Linux. Hell, at this point, even Windows seems bearable.
I want to stay in the Apple ecosystem... It really was the halo effect from the 3rd generation iPod. It went eMac -> Day 1 MacBook -> 2007 iMac -> 2010 MBP 15-> 2012 MBP 15. It's stopped since then. I built a PC last year, and it's a good machine and I don't hate Windows 10.
My fear is that the PC laptops are still crap. My fear is that Android phones are still crap. But over time Apple is becoming crap. Or the reality distortion field is starting to die.
I would again like to call to everyone's attention the fact that the only released Kaby Lakes so far are lowest-tier models (4.5W and 15W), which are slower or at best on par (unless I am really misinterpreting the benchmarks) than the mid-tier Broadwells (28W) currently used in the 13" MBP. From that perspective, I don't really understand why these new Dells or HPs are being interpreted as signs of Apple's stagnation. Furthermore, I am very surprised that no-one is accusing Dell or HP of an attempt to cheat the customer by offering a premium professional laptop equipped with lowest-tier CPUs Imagine the commotion on these forums if Apple were to do something like that.
Imagine the commotion on these forums if Apple were to do something like that.
I agree, 2012 was the last true innovation for Apple.
I went from Windows gaming to Windows for working to Linux (briefly) to Mac in 2006 or 2007 I don't remember, then got blown away about how much better it was to work with compared to Windows / Linux. Then the outdated crap really started to get old ( sh*tty CDRW, sh*tty DVDRW, sh*tty HDD, sh*tty USB etc ), and the "extra price for hipsters" really became annoying. It was (and still is) saved by MacOS -Still the best- and at the time a couple of unique innovations : Retina, battery life with thin form factor.
PC laptops are good last time I checked, my only concern was that it used to be "choose either battery OR power".
It's better now it seems.
For the phones, I kinda had the same adventure as for the laptops : It was much better than Android at one point (which is why I switched) , but nowadays it's REALLY lagging behind : "Be happy people, your iPhone7 was released (without a goddamn 3.5 jack) , and maybe next year you'll get an OLED display, because then we'll be only 3 or 4 years late over the competition !".
Last I've seen of Android it was really good. Also, never having to deal with the dumb "Contacts" in iOS makes me want to change as well
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What ?? Not they're not. Kaby Lake is better than Skylake which itself is better than Broadwell. Not to mention the much better graphic capabilities. Care to share the bench you've seen ?
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Kaby-Lake-Core-i7-7500U-Review-Skylake-on-Steroids.172692.0.html
Yes, that was one of the benchmarks I have used. They compare 15W Kaby Lakes to 15W Skylakes. No surprise the Kaby Lakes are faster. However, the 13" MBP uses 28W Broadwells, which are a higher-tier CPU. The Kaby Lake is a much refined architecture, so on short synthetic benchmarks is performs very similar to the 28W Broadwell, but I am fairly certain that it will not keep that performance up for long time (after all, its TDP is only 15W so it will reach its turbo boost potential very quickly). Situation with GPUs are similar (24 EU in Kaby Lake vs 48 EU in MBP 13"), even though the HD 620 performs quite well (most likely because of higher RAM bandwidth and improved texture fetch).
To put it short: the currently released Kaby Lakes are a low-tier, low power variant (of the same class as CPUs used in the MBA), and while they are great and can even match or even slightly outperformed the older-gen mid-power CPUs on short workflows, they will be clearly outclassed once the 28W Kaby Lake with Iris graphics will arrive. Those are the CPUs that Apple should use in the 13" MBP. And if these CPUs are released (which according to some leaks is bound to happen in Q1 2017) and Apple is still not using them, well, then I will be among the first to rant
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Given that Apple generally does laptop redesigns every 4 years, its not that surprising
BTW, they did introduce some significant innovations within the last 4-year cycle, such as the 12" MB, ultra-fast consumer SSDs and a pressure-sensitive trackpad. Again, to put it in perspective: how was Apple more innovative, say, during the unibody era (2008-2012), where the only thing happening to the Apple laptop line were small (albeit regular) incremental updates?
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I _have_ stayed in the Apple ecosystem for decades. I'll admit I have a fondness for Apple that transcends the current disgustingly poor state of affairs that afflicts OSX/macOS and the hardware it runs on. I'd be extremely happy to see Apple pull out the stops, get serious about desktop computing and spend some serious money on R&D. Bring us some fresh new hardware and prove once again what a World Class Computer Company they are. But alas, that's mere fantasy, it's currently all about high gross profits, gadgets, phones and the simple mundane iOS.
No fear here.
The cross platform environment I live and work in finds:
Android: especially as implemented in Nexus smartphones and the upcoming Pixel lineup, is powerful, smooth, reliable and very capable.
Windows: especially version 10.x.x as implemented in my XPS 13, ThinkPad Workstation and Surface Pro 4, to be particularly well done. A solid OS that I count on for mission critical work 24/7 - 365.
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Sad... but true.
I'm not sure what the i7-5557U, the fastest processor in the 13" MBP benches at.. but the i7-7500U gets a Geekbench 3 rating of 8246 Points.
Maybe someone can chime in what they get.
source: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-7500U-Notebook-Processor.172205.0.html
Maybe someone can chime in what they get.
source: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-7500U-Notebook-Processor.172205.0.html