soulreaver99
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invite finally got sent out. who's returning their PCs within the return window??? 
Sorry Apple..
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tech4all
macrumors 68040
Question for you @maflynn: Based on this post you made last year (I was searching for relevant info and found your post), do you still recommend Kaspersky or Avast for Windows 10? Also, do you use any other type of security-related software such MalwareBytes Anti-Malware? Just curious as I've used AVG (along with MalwareBytes Anti-Malware) for Windows 7 in the past, but heard mixed things about AVG.
Thanks!
Count Blah
macrumors 68040
Hi Tim!
mrex
macrumors 68040
im not maflynn, but i always check this site before renewing my subscription ("avast internet security" at the moment):
https://www.av-test.org/en/
and for win10
https://www.av-test.org/en/antivirus/home-windows/windows-10/
maflynn
macrumors Haswell
Yes, I still use Avast, though I think in windows 10, Defender has improved. I also use Malwarebytes.
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That's where I got some of my info on deciding which antivirus to get
You'll be back in 12 months. Enjoy your journey into Dell hell.
maflynn
macrumors Haswell
My research in PCs have led me to see that Dell has some quality machines, while no one will dispute that prior years, people have had issues, i.e., Dell hell as you put it, but it seems the quality is there, and the design is very apple like. I even heard good things about the trackpad (which is something few PC makers tend to get right)
Crazy Badger
macrumors 65816
As a contractor working with various companies, I often get given a Windows laptop to work on their network. Since moving to a MBA in 2008 I've used Lenovo, HP, Dell, Microsoft laptops and where they all fall down is the trackpad. Nothing even comes close to Apples.
Still not sure what my 2013 MBA will be upgraded too (next week should help me decide), but it will be running OSX.
Still not sure what my 2013 MBA will be upgraded too (next week should help me decide), but it will be running OSX.
The XPS line has always made an attempt to be a "top of the range" product. I owned one of the 2nd or 3rd gen models back in 2010 (M1330 if I recall). It's major flaw; a defect in MB design where the GFX never got enough airflow to cool it down and when you ran the PC with a CPU heavy app (abusing the GFX too); it would overheat, bust and never boot. That's what made me jump to Mac's and never regret the decision (exclusive of other reasons I had at the time). However, XPSs still have defects (up until last years model where I had to support them) where multiple motherboard replacements are required before having to retire the machine. I'm not sure of this year's model though (even though it looks pretty sleek).
Don't even start with the rest of Dell's line-up. My work-based Dell Latitude has had 4 motherboard replacements for battery management and more so, a CPU defect where one of the CPU saving features trip without any root cause known that keeps the CPU at 1X multiplier.
Going down the Windows route always stumps you up past 3 years if you're lucky to have a quality built machine. Next OS is likely to be supported, but drivers are never always complete from most manufacturers (or fully supported by the manufacturer) and instability creeps in. Less so today, but still; hardware is never quite to Apple's standard and OS support fades. We even have late-2009 macs still supported and can have the latest macOS.
I can see why IBM have come to such conclusion for many reasons. I might be tempted by a well executed hackintosh depending on next week's announcements, although my appreciation for macOS outstrips my huge dislike for Windows. Not even a Surface Pro/Book would tempt me into a Windows AIO software/hardware product.
maflynn
macrumors Haswell
I've had good luck with Dells, and I had a laptop that lasted well beyond three years. In fact I have it in my closet and its still bootable and usable. That bad boy is over 15 years old.
Another point, based on other threads here, many Mac users here tend to update their macs in 3 years or less, so while I'll not dispute the claim that Macs last longer, its a benefit that many Mac users don't employ. To put it another way, if you replace a laptop every 3 years, does it matter if the PC starts incurring issues in year 4?
If you resell the WinOS PC/Laptop in the 4th year, someone else still has to put up with the pains of supporting it and making sure the drivers they deploy are stable if updatable by the vendor (not PC/Laptop manufacturer). My first MacBook Pro got me to 2014 (where I got a refurb 2013 rMBP - still going lovely today). For me, longevity is important. Especially with the work sector I'm in.
In the consumer world, I guess your point stands if a lot of Mac users replace every 3 years. But surely that isn't the majority unlike the iOS product range? On a corporate level, that 4th/5th year might be crucial. Especially for office staff (excluding GFX designers, developers etc). Also, depreciation on Mac's is much slower and gives opportunities for reinvestment within that first 3 years. PCs, no chance. They're like brand new cars. They lose significant value as soon as they leave the factory.
maflynn
macrumors Haswell
I don't know, I think you're splitting hairs on that one.
If you buy a brand new Dell, and sell it in year 4 with no problems, how is that different then buying a Mac and replacing that in year 4.
We're not talking about people buying used computers and the possible issues they may run into. I mean we certainly can discuss the used Mac category, and in doing so, we'll have to consider staingate, or the issues with dGPU and people dealing with that would be quick to respond with their dissatisfaction with how long Macs lasted.
In the end, a new computer lasting > 3 years is a moot point to a customer base that routinely buys new computers in under 3 years
[doublepost=1477056163][/doublepost]Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to justify PCs over Macs, but rather just point out, that the one long running advantage that people claim, is that macs last longer, yet those same people buy new Macs ever other (or every third) year. I don't see how Macs lasting longer is a benefit in that use case scenario
mrex
macrumors 68040
My Zenbook is already 4yo old (bought 2012) and going strong - it is still working like a day one. The difference is that it is running now win10 and i have had one problem with the laptop - win10 anniversary edition broke the 5ghz wifi but all i had do it was to install new drivers. I quess it might be also the issue since i replaced the original wlan card from n to the newer ac version.
My personal experience with win laptops is that if you buy a budget price one, dont except it to work after couple of years. If you buy highend laptops, they have always served me many years well.
My personal experience with win laptops is that if you buy a budget price one, dont except it to work after couple of years. If you buy highend laptops, they have always served me many years well.
macgeek18
macrumors 68000
My work laptop is a Dell Latitude and is going on four years old. It's a tank and has out lasted the newer 7 series Latitudes that my supervisors have. My personal laptop is a 2011 Thinkpad. It just depends on the quality of the hardware. My 2012 MBP is still going strong as well. I don't replace computers that often. I use them till they die and sometimes that can be awhile with a good laptop Mac or Windows.
jonen560ti
macrumors member
Honestly, in my experience. Windows 7 drivers almost always work great on 8 and 10 unless the driver installer refuses to install it, but even that can usually be bypassed by feeding windows the .inf files directly or spoofing your Windows version. its almost strange that it works as well as it does, i know most of the time, manufacturers just test old drivers in new windows version and publishes them as new windows drivers. you'd be surprised how often the Windows 7, 8 and 10 drivers are exactly the same driver, sometimes they don't even change the filename. i used the Windows 8 and 10 previews as my daily driver for a while using Win 7 and 8 drivers respectively. it was about as stable as using the release versions.
Yeah, I've got an E6530 as my work machine but we're switching to Lenovo as our primary brand internally now, so we've got P50's for Devs and IT and X1's for BusDev and Recruiters, but I'm already missing the 'this is a dell dock so it's compatible with almost all dell hardware' that Lenovo doesn't seem to have.
tech4all
macrumors 68040
macgeek18
macrumors 68000
My work computer is an E6430. Good laptop. I like older Lenovo hardware. I'm really not a fan of the new stuff.
I literally don't follow you anymore. You say there is only one processor which would fit the current MBP, which is the reverse of how things normally happen :
Intel announce a serie of chips with possibilities & requirements, manufacturers create laptops & motherboards which accomodates them.
I know when it comes the the Apple world everyone wants to be a special flower, but Intel doesn't make its serie with, in mind "oh yeah we should have that one that fits the current MBP 15", just in case Apple want us in their laptops !".
Anyway, if you're happy by all mean enjoy, but there are good reasons to be pissed by the whole thing. It's like many people are saying it just because they don't like apples (but buy them anyway).
And you don't seem to react about all the other abuse (USB3.0, HDMI etc) which follow the same pattern : screw the customers by offering the strict minimum of cheap hardware, that they'll buy at a very high price.
Side note : For reasons I won't detail (boring), today I had to deal with a not so recent HP, and Outlook.
Dear God, the horror. Trackpad madness and this
I think you misunderstood when I said "suitable for the rMBP". Did I say they were Apple specific processors? No, I meant same iGP, TDP, clock speed, cores, and more. Intel releases low performance processors first. The Skylake that is suitable for the rMBP came out just a few months ago. This does not mean Apple Certified processors, it means good Iris Pro graphics, TDP, clock speed, and cores that are suitable for the rMBP.
Now if you want Apple to replace a high performance Broadwell in their 15" laptop with a low performance, highly throttled Skylake/Kaby Lake JUST because the processor generation is newer, well that is great for you. I would rather have higher performance and an older generation.
Ursadorable
macrumors 6502a
Other than the touchbar, nothing really new and exciting here unfortunately. Got Fedora installed on my new XPS, haven't tried hackintoshing it yet though. At this point I'll keep my Mini as a music server for my DAC and tube amp, and retire the old Mac Pro.