Sorry, but Apple FAIL

[QuarterSwede]

The statement that "natural scrolling is because Apple wants to capture iOS customers" makes absolutely no sense.

Every desktop OS, Mac or Windows or Linux or whatever it is, uses exactly the same scrolling direction. Anyone switching to Lion would find it unnatural unless you have never used a desktop OS before.

Changing the direction of scrolling simply scares away potential switchers, who may not know this is a configurable option.

Apple is trying to attract people who don't use computers. Believe it or not they still exist and the iPad (and iOS 5/PC free) is a testament to that. Personally, once I hid the scrollbars (not the default on an upgrade) I really prefer the natural scrolling.

 

[revelated]

The only reason I can see would be that if a component didn't exist at the time of the previous release of the OS it wouldn't have driver support and some things might not work. The new MacBook Air's have the Intel 3000 graphics in them....they probably won't run on Leopard.

Research. The 2011 MacBook Pros all use the Intel HD 3000 chip in addition to the AMD chip.

People...from a hardware perspective - and I speak as a hardware guy - there is NOTHING inside the Air that prevents it from running Snow Leopard. I know what their "policy" says, and I'm against it. For all the guff Microsoft gets, if you want to run XP, they really don't care, because it's still supported. Snow Leopard, to my knowledge, is still a supported OS. Therefore, why can I not load it on a machine that should functionally run it?

Now, the ONLY thing I can think of is the Bluetooth 4.0 chip. That's specific to the Air.

As far as the scrolling, I don't want to have to be forced to set my machine back the way it's always been due to a change that wasn't necessary. We're not talking about some change for the better. We're talking about an option that should NOT be default, but still disclosed.

I like my Dock on the left side. Why? It gives me more bottom real estate. Can you imagine how many people would be bothered by Apple suddenly saying that the Dock can no longer be moved from the bottom OR resized? Change for the hell of it. There will always be those who just bow down to every pointless change Apple makes, of course, but the issue here is that some changes (resizing from any corner) are logical and sensible. Some changes (record screen in QuickTime) are practical and functional. Some changes (making everything in Finder a bland gray instead of colorful icons) make absolutely no sense. Some changes (Forcing users to either pay for or "hack" their own restore media) are outrageous.

Do you know what I measure my opinions by?

If Microsoft did the same thing, would they get hell for it? If Microsoft all of a sudden released an OS without cut and paste would they get hell for it? Absolutely. If Apple removed the "Copy Item" from the right click, the Jobsians would just say "oh, that's not a big deal, just drag it", because there are people swarming MacRumors who excuse every single pointless change. There's actually another post somewhere that I can't find at the moment where they said that if Jobs went blind and decided to remove the screen on every MacBook, the Jobsians would just say "we're post screen area, the future is touch only, sight unseen!"

I get that some of you don't understand the frustration but the frustration is valid. It's not just about Lion the system, it's about the entire ecosystem. Pointless changes, catering to an iOS crowd, STILL not fixing key things in the existing Mac OS (that you have to jump through hoops to do thumbnails on folders is laughable), charging for the ability to restore your computer if you don't have internet access, forcing hardware that is otherwise capable of running Snow Leopard to run Lion instead, and Jobsians who make excuses for all of the above. It's nauseating. It makes me wish I didn't like the Mac hardware in the first place. It actually makes me yearn for the day when Apple is led by someone who is the opposite of what Jobs is today and starts releasing the polar opposite of Jobs' vision. I eagerly anticipate all of the whining, crying and complaining about why their favorite computers have been relegated to actual work machines instead of "easy".

 

[tom5304]

I'm "downgrading" back to Snow Leopard on my mid-2007 aluminum iMac with 2gb RAM. Here's why:

1. My Wifi has been constantly disconnecting ever since I "upgraded" to Lion. I've tinkered with as many settings as I know in Network Preferences, but Wifi is still broken for me. It worked fine on Snow Leopard. I think the problem is connected to my next issue...

2. Lion has turned my iMac into a sluggish, lurching wreck. If I run simple things like Chrome browser or Pages word processor, Lion runs fine. But, if I run Handbrake or Ripit, the rest of the computer becomes practically unusable. Even Chrome takes forever to load a page (or just refuses to load) when the CPU is under heavy load. While using Handbrake, if I click on the Apple menu icon, there is a 3-5 second delay before I see the menu pull down. Every other action within the Finder is also delayed by 3-5 seconds.

3. After plopping down $29 on Lion, I realized that all I really use on my iMac is the browser, Pages, and a few apps like Handbrake, etc. What do I need a Launchpad for? Or Mission Control? Or backwards scrolling? These features, and most of the others such as full-screen apps are just completely wasted on a simple user like me. That's not a flaw in Lion: it's just that Lion has nothing in it for me except perhaps enhanced security. I bought into the hype, and my machine has become a liability instead of an enhancement to my life.

So Lion has broken my Wifi, slowed my machine down to a crawl when I'm encoding video, and generally wasted my time.

If I do install Lion again, it will be after the initial bugs are worked out, and I'll do it as a clean install. Lion is a bust for me. A complete waste of $29.

 

[halledise]

I'm "downgrading" back to Snow Leopard on my mid-2007 aluminum iMac with 2gb RAM. Here's why:

1. My Wifi has been constantly disconnecting ever since I "upgraded" to Lion. I've tinkered with as many settings as I know in Network Preferences, but Wifi is still broken for me. It worked fine on Snow Leopard. I think the problem is connected to my next issue...

2. Lion has turned my iMac into a sluggish, lurching wreck. If I run simple things like Chrome browser or Pages word processor, Lion runs fine. But, if I run Handbrake or Ripit, the rest of the computer becomes practically unusable. Even Chrome takes forever to load a page (or just refuses to load) when the CPU is under heavy load. While using Handbrake, if I click on the Apple menu icon, there is a 3-5 second delay before I see the menu pull down. Every other action within the Finder is also delayed by 3-5 seconds.

3. After plopping down $29 on Lion, I realized that all I really use on my iMac is the browser, Pages, and a few apps like Handbrake, etc. What do I need a Launchpad for? Or Mission Control? Or backwards scrolling? These features, and most of the others such as full-screen apps are just completely wasted on a simple user like me. That's not a flaw in Lion: it's just that Lion has nothing in it for me except perhaps enhanced security. I bought into the hype, and my machine has become a liability instead of an enhancement to my life.

So Lion has broken my Wifi, slowed my machine down to a crawl when I'm encoding video, and generally wasted my time.

If I do install Lion again, it will be after the initial bugs are worked out, and I'll do it as a clean install. Lion is a bust for me. A complete waste of $29.

fully agree!

Snow Leopard is definitely the go.
am thinking of residing there also.
Lion is just a tad too 'precious'

[from Dictionary]
precious
(2) derogatory - affectedly concerned with an elegant or refined behavior, language, or manners: as in 'his exaggerated, precious manner'

 

[WytRaven]

@OP

In a nutshell: Get a Magic Trackpad and it will all make sense. If you have one already and are still claiming that it's not better than SL and the Mission Control is a gimmick then "you're doing it wrong".

 

[Lykos1986]

I thing that the Lion becomes even worst over time. When I installed the first time except from the thousand bugs I had slightly higher temperature and worst battery life. I thought it is OK since a few applications are running slightly faster.

But now it is even worst. The battery life is going down even faster and the heat sometimes is in the highest levels!

I am expecting an update as soon as possible. Otherwise it is a huge fail for Apple…

 

[sweetbrat]

Do you know what I measure my opinions by?

If Microsoft did the same thing, would they get hell for it? If Microsoft all of a sudden released an OS without cut and paste would they get hell for it? Absolutely. If Apple removed the "Copy Item" from the right click, the Jobsians would just say "oh, that's not a big deal, just drag it", because there are people swarming MacRumors who excuse every single pointless change. There's actually another post somewhere that I can't find at the moment where they said that if Jobs went blind and decided to remove the screen on every MacBook, the Jobsians would just say "we're post screen area, the future is touch only, sight unseen!"

I get that some of you don't understand the frustration but the frustration is valid. It's not just about Lion the system, it's about the entire ecosystem. Pointless changes, catering to an iOS crowd, STILL not fixing key things in the existing Mac OS (that you have to jump through hoops to do thumbnails on folders is laughable), charging for the ability to restore your computer if you don't have internet access, forcing hardware that is otherwise capable of running Snow Leopard to run Lion instead, and Jobsians who make excuses for all of the above. It's nauseating. It makes me wish I didn't like the Mac hardware in the first place. It actually makes me yearn for the day when Apple is led by someone who is the opposite of what Jobs is today and starts releasing the polar opposite of Jobs' vision. I eagerly anticipate all of the whining, crying and complaining about why their favorite computers have been relegated to actual work machines instead of "easy".

I'm not saying that you can't have frustrations. If something bothers you, that's fine. But you make it seem like everyone that doesn't agree with you must be wrong. Just because I don't mind most of the changes, it doesn't mean that I'm some mindless drone that would accept anything Apple does. It just means that either I really don't find the changes bothersome or they don't affect parts of the OS that I use. I find it very offensive that everyone that likes Lion is categorized as a sheep. I do use my computer for work purposes, and Lion hasn't changed it's functionality for what I need. I like some of the changes, I don't particularly like others, but I also accept that no product will ever be perfect. That doesn't make me mindless...it makes me realistic.

You asked what would happen if Microsoft made these changes? Well, I'm in an Apple forum, I only use a PC when I absolutely have to...so I really don't care. Does that mean I'm a mindless Microsoft sheep because I wouldn't get frustrated if Microsoft made changes? If it was something that ruined my ability to do the tasks I needed to, I'd be annoyed. Otherwise, it's decisions that they made, and I can either deal with them or move to another OS. Lion is a version .0 release. Does it have problems? Of course. And a lot of them will be fixed over time.

You don't like Lion, and that's valid. But many people do. It doesn't make either group wrong, it just makes them different.

 

[Jagardn]

When I installed the first time except from the thousand bugs I had …

Thousands...really.

 

[Lord Appleseed]

Forums are about opinions and these are just mine.

M'kay

I can't se any added value to Lion compared to Snow Leopard which was so easy to use and am completely unconvinced by it.

In MY opinion Lion, with merging Spaces and Expose, is quite a lot easier to use, even though it might lack the depth some power users liked abut Expose + Spaces in SL.

It appears to me that the popularity of iOS has totally railroaded Apples thinking into believing that Mac users somehow would want this approach on their macs.

I for my part think is was a necessary step to create MacOS in a way closer related to iOS.

Launchpad is pointless and there is so much duplication and lack of interaction with the dock.

Since it easy to turn off it should not be a problem for you, i for my part like it better than the Application Folder. And why is there a lack of interaction with the Dock? What were you expecting?

Mission control is messy, and appears to be a gimmick than serve any real purpose.

I like it a lot. It grants an overview of open windows, lets you drag window in new spaces, see an overview of all spaces and groups windows together for one application instead of cluelessly gathering them on the screen.

Switching the scrolling was just pointless and only serves as a hindrance, it doesn't benefit the user experience.

Yes it does. now everyone can scroll like he/she wants to, before you HAD to scroll as THEY wanted to.

I think a lot of apple fans are convincing themselves Lion is a win

I dont need to convince myself as I used Lion since DP1 and found it awesome from the start on.

when personally i think it represents a really confused OS

When I personally think it represents a very thought through and modern OS.

Slate me all you like, but sometimes us Apple fans have to front up and say ' you got it wrong'.

Why would we, when most people seem to actually think "they got it right", as the 5-Star rating on Mac App Store shows?

 

[emaja]

So Lion has broken my Wifi, slowed my machine down to a crawl when I'm encoding video, and generally wasted my time.

(snip)

If I do install Lion again, it will be after the initial bugs are worked out, and I'll do it as a clean install. Lion is a bust for me. A complete waste of $29.

Which iMac do you have? I haven't tun into any of those issues on either my current generation MBP or the last-gen i3 iMac.

Just curious.

 

[ritmomundo]

I for my part think is was a necessary step to create MacOS in a way closer related to iOS.

I get that there are some people who defend apple's every decision, and there's no talking with them. But I'm confused. iOS was never as great as OS X. Yeah its great on small devices (I even think they could make it better on the iPad). So why in the world would they be trying to make OS X more like iOS??

I enjoy my iPhone, but to be honest, I don't do anything powerful on it (its not a workhorse after all). Mostly games, emails, web. Its like a sophisticated toy for adults (yes, some of you fanboys will take offense to me calling it a toy). And if you just look at the most popular app d/ls in the AppStore, you'll see that this is the general consensus. So now Apple's got this incredibly popular "toy" with iOS on one end, and a powerful, professional operating system on the other (imagine it like this: iOS<<<<<<<<<<OS X). It makes no sense why they would dumb down OS X to be more like iOS, instead of the other way around, other than to appease the iOS & windows users and bring them to OS X. But by doing so, they're really alienating long-time OS X users with a virtual slap in the face.

 

[Infrared]

Apple is trying to attract people who don't use computers.

I don't know who would fall into that category. Don't most people
in the developed world use computers these days?

I'd suspect the people most likely to not use computers are (a) likely
to die within the next decade or two (perhaps not the optimal market
segment to target) or are (b) newly created people (otherwise known
as babies).

 

[tom5304]

Which iMac do you have? I haven't tun into any of those issues on either my current generation MBP or the last-gen i3 iMac.

Just curious.

It's the mid-2007 aluminum iMac, with the 2.0 Core 2 Duo, 250GB hard drive and 2GB Ram.

Last night (LATE last night) I went through the process of erasing my hard drive and doing a clean install of Snow Leopard, and now I have a brand new, super fast, incredibly "snappy" machine again.

Safari is a wicked fast beast now. My Wifi (excuse me, I'm back to Airport now), holds a rock steady connection once again. No more "Looking for Networks" every 15 seconds as it did under Lion.

Oh, and my Mac goes to sleep by itself again under the Energy Saver timer, which it hasn't done in over a year, and which it wouldn't do under either my old installation of Snow Leopard, or under Lion.

The lesson I've learned from this experience isn't so much about Apple or about Lion. The lesson is to do a clean reinstall of my OS at least every other year, and probably once a year.

The reason I upgraded to Lion on the first day was because of the nagging non-sleep issue, along with kernel panics I was experiencing once or twice a day that would freeze the machine and require a hard re-boot.

The solution wasn't a new or upgraded OS: the solution was to clear out all that muck and junk that was clogging my computer.

I suppose I could try a clean install of Lion and see if I have the same miraculous results, but I don't have a compelling reason to even try, at least not yet. I'm going to bask in the sharpness and speed of my new iMac for a while.

At least for now, I think Snow Leopard will be this Macs terminal OS, and Lion will have to wait for a new purchase way down the road, after I put a new set of tires on my car or any other higher priority purchases.

It's a happy ending for me, except for the $29 I wasted on Lion.

 

[scottsjack]

Why would we, when most people seem to actually think "they got it right", as the 5-Star rating on Mac App Store shows?

If you sort the ratings by most recent the page 1 is July 30. Page 2 is July 21 and July 20. I gave it two star yesterday. I can't find my review at all. Hmmm.

 

[Jagardn]

If you sort the ratings by most recent the page 1 is July 30. Page 2 is July 21 and July 20. I gave it two star yesterday. I can't find my review at all. Hmmm.

Yes, it's Apples evil plan to snuff all negative reviews and make everyone think Lion is perfect.

 

[*LTD*]

Forums are about opinions and these are just mine. I can't se any added value to Lion compared to Snow Leopard which was so easy to use and am completely unconvinced by it. It appears to me that the popularity of iOS has totally railroaded Apples thinking into believing that Mac users somehow would want this approach on their macs.

Launchpad is pointless and there is so much duplication and lack of interaction with the dock. Its completely rigid in its ability to be customised and in my humble view is a complete waste of quite a nice gesture which could be used for something far more useful, even just to be able to go straight into finder.

Mission control is messy, and appears to be a gimmick than serve any real purpose.

And why are the simple things missed by Apple. Safari ok is much improved but the switching pages with two finger swipe is not flawless, when you stretch your scree to a more suitable screen size on a website it reverts to the original size when you go back / forward a page. And as for thumb and four fingers to show the desktop, it just plain ludicrous.

Switching the scrolling was just pointless and only serves as a hindrance, it doesn't benefit the user experience.

Mail is better, but not as good as sparrow. Three finger tap for the dictionary is again a waste of a gesture.

I think a lot of apple fans are convincing themselves Lion is a win, when personally i think it represents a really confused OS, particularly compared to Snow Leopard which was so simple and functional use.

Slate me all you like, but sometimes us Apple fans have to front up and say ' you got it wrong'.

Disappointed Stu

We've seen this before.

circa 2009

Anyone else think Snow Leopard... sucks?

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/766420/

Snow Leopard - massive anti-climax and proof Apple are faltering

https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=8383618#post8383618

So now that Lion's out we love Snow Leopard?

I'm sure we could dig up similar Leopard threads.

Two years from now . . .

"OS X 10.8: Epic Fail by Apple" . . .

Yet OS X remains the industry standard-setter. If anything, it isn't responsible for *not* selling record numbers of Macs quarter after quarter. The same Macs that outpace the industry quarter for quarter also came loaded with Snow Leopard. And this is not a universally-licensed OS. And runs on expensive hardware (cost of entry is usually $1000 and over.)

If you don't like it, that's fine. Just realize that your opinion is purely anecdotal, and does not necessarily reflect reality at large.

 

[mysterytramp]

Well i for one don't like the direction - this iOS-obsession will come back to bite them. Im sitting here, not a heavy iPad or iOS user, wondering why my powerful functioning workhorse of a MBP, is being reduced to childlike innovation and eye candy.

When I got my first Mac in 1985, a friend of mine -- a devoted Kaypro fan -- could have made the same statement. Change the terms a bit, but the sentiment's the same.

Just sayin'

mt

(And for the record: I haven't made the switch yet, but I think Versions is the killer app in Lion.)

 

[QuarterSwede]

I don't know who would fall into that category. Don't most people
in the developed world use computers these days?

I'd suspect the people most likely to not use computers are (a) likely
to die within the next decade or two (perhaps not the optimal market
segment to target) or are (b) newly created people (otherwise known
as babies).

I didn't even mention the number of people who love their iDevices but are not found of computers, average gals like my wife for instance. She can use a computer fine but all she needs and wants is an iPad.

I'm in total agreement with Jobs that desktops are trucks. As tablets become more powerful and apps are better written for them you'll see desktops start to fade like tower PC's already have. They won't be gone but they'll definitely be more of a niche market.

We've seen this before.

circa 2009

Anyone else think Snow Leopard... sucks?

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/766420/

Snow Leopard - massive anti-climax and proof Apple are faltering

https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=8383618#post8383618

So now that Lion's out we love Snow Leopard?

I'm sure we could dig up similar Leopard threads.

Two years from now . . .

"OS X 10.8: Epic Fail by Apple" . . .

I've gotta agree with you here. People simply don't like change at first.

 

[Jagardn]

https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=8383618#post8383618

The first poster must have been psychic, had no faith in the new tablet. The iPad is an epic apple fail too right. HAHHAHA

 

[GS Owner]

grumble

Very often I need to find the Last Files created to a folder. These are going to be either copied or sent to other folders. With Lion I can't do that any longer.

Also gone is the Don't Replace Duplicates option when copying tons of files to other folders. At the moment I have the choice of Creating hundreds of duplicates, Stopping, or replacing files.

I want the original options back.

 

[srf4real]

Apple should have known better than to offer a streaming download update of a major OS release giving the user control and ability to foul it all up. Some easy to follow buttons in the controlled setting of a start-up dvd would have been much wiser, especially since Apple is catering to it's less computer savvy users with OS X Lion.

 

[colourfastt]

So something that took you probably 15 seconds to change was a slap in the face? Really? It's kinda like when you were little and your parents told you to at least TASTE the peas before you said you didn't like them. By making the new scrolling the default, at least they got you to try it. I personally like the way they did it. Make me at least try it, and make it easy to turn off if I don't like it. You obviously don't like it, so you turned it off. I seriously don't understand why this is such a big issue. Anytime there's a new OS or a new version of almost any program, there's preferences that you need to set up to put things the way you like them. Why do you expect Lion to be exactly the way you want it without any setup??

Your way of putting the applications folder in the dock has been available, yes. But not everyone does that. So, Launchpad is redundant to you, but not to a lot of other people. If you don't like it, why can't you just take it off your dock and ignore it? It's not like it's causing you harm or you're being forced to use it. Like I said before, why is having options bad?

As for the restore media, did you carry the DVD of the OS around with you everywhere, just in case your computer died? The restore partition gives you some disk utilities and stuff like that, but yes, you'll have to have an internet connection to actually reinstall the OS. But I would think it's more likely that you'll have an internet connection than it is that you were constantly carrying your old OS install DVD with you everywhere.

From what I understand, every time you purchase a new Mac, you're not supposed to install an OS lower than the version it came with. That's what I've always been told. So not being able to install Snow Leopard on the new Airs really isn't a change.

You must be one of those people who never travels more than 5 miles from the downtown of a large city, so you always have broadband connections on every street corner. I carry the restore DVDs for my MBA for the very reason that I travel to mostly rural areas with little or NO internet connectivity.