I really wanted to hate Launchpad. When it was announced I was aghast. It seemed like fluffery for fluffery's sake. Got Lion (first time I've grabbed an OS before a 10.x.2 update) and once I relaized you could organize Launchpad the same way you could organize apps in iOS, without affect the applications folder, I spent a bit of time and put my most used apps on the first page and everything else on the second. I stripped everything off my dock except running applications and a shutdown script. Now I want to launch a new application, I go to launchpad. If I want to switch between apps, I use the dock and if I want to switch between tasks, I use mission control (spaces organized by application task). While I am still not happy about mission control, I do find myself able to access applications much more quickly. This might be helped by the trackpad, but I could customize the mouse do do the same thing.
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I really wanted to hate Launchpad. When it was announced I was aghast. It seemed like fluffery for fluffery's sake. Got Lion (first time I've grabbed an OS before a 10.x.2 update) and once I relaized you could organize Launchpad the same way you could organize apps in iOS, without affect the applications folder, I spent a bit of time and put my most used apps on the first page and everything else on the second. I stripped everything off my dock except running applications and a shutdown script. Now I want to launch a new application, I go to launchpad. If I want to switch between apps, I use the dock and if I want to switch between tasks, I use mission control (spaces organized by application task). While I am still not happy about mission control, I do find myself able to access applications much more quickly. This might be helped by the trackpad, but I could customize the mouse do do the same thing.
Lion changes are more than just skin deep. For me, the mere fact that Lion has taken security to the next level is enough for me to shell out $29.99. I installed Lion yesterday and have been playing around with it since. There are definite teething pains but on the whole I find it a very solid first release. I really love the integrated gestures like the four finger swiping. I was also pleasantly surprised that the Mac computer, that used to run Snow Leopard, now has improved WI-FI speeds, used to get 108Mb/s now I get 162Mb/s.
Two more Mac computers to update to Lion.
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So you think that because the price was $29.99 that Lion was a minor upgrade? Or was it the fact that Apple numbered Lion as 10.7 which is .1 higher than 10.6 Snow Leopard? Price and numbering are not direct indicators of how minor or major the Apple OS release is. Apple has simply priced the OS to make it more attractive to a wider audience.
Apple does not follow anyone else when it comes to how they produce hardware or software. I seem to remember when Apple released the first iPhone, people scoffed at it because it did not have a physical keyboard. Those same people said the iPhone will be a failure. I also remember when Apple released the first iPad. People laughed at its name and stated that it was going to be a sales flop. Now Lion is released and Apple once again is charting a new course with their OS. Sometimes it is not a good idea to simply do a new OS release that is the same old, same old.
For me, given the price, new level of security, integrated gestures and how lean and quick Lion is, I find it a no brainer to upgrade Lion on all 3 of my Mac computers. There is nothing wrong with Snow Leopard and I could have been perfectly happy to continue to use Snow Leopard if I chose to do so. This is only the first release; it will only get better and more polished with each new update.
Your post would have carried a lot more weight and read worthiness if you had refrained from calling people "sheep". I don't understand this notion that somehow Apple has brained washed people into buying anything they sell.
Dude...
Do you realize what you just described FFS?
Pin the Applications folder to the Dock. Open it. It's the SAME F -N THING!!
You guys are praising this thing like the next revolution when Apple didn't do anything worth that praise.
I sure hope not. That will be the boring, no taste computers of the future. I will move to the Mercedes-Benz of computing if that is the case (whoever that may become). Fine engineering and well-thought-out features.
I do agree with the OP on Lion so far. In early form, I thought it was beta and that it would greatly improve before RTM (or RTAS in this case) but so far I see few improvements from the beta builds. While not junk (it is stable and has not crashed or panicked) I do miss the "leaner" feeling Snow Leopard.
I think many of the Lion hold-outs will give in since iCloud is mainly a Lion-only feature. That is Apple's silver bullet to entice users to upgrade.
One thing about Microsoft - they support their business OSs at least 10 years and in some cases many more. Can't say that about OS X 10.1 (or whatever was around when Windows XP was released in 2001). Windows XP will have security updates released until 4/8/2014.
Apple does have the lifecycle thing down with their iOS devices, however. With them, you get timely updates from Apple, instead of waiting on Motorola, Samsung, etc. to release Android updates. Who knows when each Android manufacture will abandon their products since most do not (that I am aware of) have a published support lifecycle.
Agree with most of yours, and here's some of mine:
- Launchpad = Fail
- Mission control / Application Windows = Win
- $69 USB installer = Fail
- Snow Leopard prerequisite = Fail (for most)
- Clunky animations = Fail
- Disabling common gestures by default (like 3 finger swipe) = Fail
- Four fingers + thumb gestures = Epic Fail. Seriously, who at Apple actually thought this was a good idea?
- Majority of systems running hotter (just do a MR search) = Fail
- Battery life shorter (just do a MR search) = Fail
- No Rosetta support = Fail
- Many MANY applications rendered incompatible = Fail
I wonder if someone could clarify something for me?
Lion was the first purchase I made from the App Store. As it turned out, I used it for a few days, decided that - in its current form - it wasn't for me, and went back to Snow Leopard.
Now. If in say 6 months time, there have been a couple of tweaks to it and I decide I want to try it again, can I just go back to the App store and download it again (they presumably will have a record of me buying it), or will I have to pay for it again?
I'm pretty sure that with the iPad, if I delete an app, I can just download it again at any point. I guess with all the OS X / iOS convergence going on, both App stores will operate in the same way?
Anyone know for sure?
Thanks.
Lion was the first purchase I made from the App Store. As it turned out, I used it for a few days, decided that - in its current form - it wasn't for me, and went back to Snow Leopard.
Now. If in say 6 months time, there have been a couple of tweaks to it and I decide I want to try it again, can I just go back to the App store and download it again (they presumably will have a record of me buying it), or will I have to pay for it again?
I'm pretty sure that with the iPad, if I delete an app, I can just download it again at any point. I guess with all the OS X / iOS convergence going on, both App stores will operate in the same way?
Anyone know for sure?
Thanks.
Yes, if you open the App Store and go to the purchases tab. It will list OS X Lion and give you the option to download it again and install it.
I am sorry, but I have to disagree. I have my first Mac and had mine for 3 days before I "upgraded?" to Lion. I have to agree with wich was first said.
Besides, yes you can change almost everything. But the point of a good OS is not that after an upgrade you have to reset almost everything the new upgrade has changed. As an - until about a week ago - Windows user, I know this.
Some of your points are valid, but others are more difficult to support. Critiquing Launchpad is almost a worthless endeavour. As others here have said, you don't have to use it and it doesn't take away anything from your user experience - it adds something to it if you want it to. Why is a $69 USB installer a fail? Yes, so you can make your own. You can even burn your own DVD. Just because it's on offer officially for more money doesn't mean you have to pay for it. Apple notoriously charges up the ying yang for the crap it lines its stores' walls with. Why is this a big surprise to you? At least people have the option of buying an official Apple memory stick if they want the nifty packaging.
There have been complaints on MR about battery life as well as systems running hotter, but for the life of me, I have not seen this in the 'real' world. Of the handful of people I see on a daily basis with MBPs that upgraded to Lion, none of them have reported this issue. When running SMCFanControl on some of the machines, I have actually seen a reduction in temperatures, or at least they will not run as hot for as long. When watching a YouTube video on my 13-inch 2011 MBP, my processor regularly got up to 92*C and stayed there. The same would happen if I performed a Handbrake encode. Maybe I'm just seeing things or wanting to believe there's been a change (which is entirely possible), but my computer now only reaches about 88*C and does not stay there for nearly as long as before. The fans kick in and the temps go down to the lower 80s. While I cannot speak for others, my battery life has also seen an improvement (probably due to lower temps), and I am registering about a 45-minute increase in battery life. That said, I've not actually sat down and let the computer run its course for a solid 7+ hours, but simply taking note of the system notification tool at the top. Forgive me for not being too scientific.
Regarding Rosetta: I too miss my old programs. But, to be honest, they weren't essential programs anymore. Most things do have replacements. If PPC programs are a big deal for users, then we can always fall back on our old PPC Macs or dual boot with SL (unless you have a brand new machine, then maybe VirtualBox). I'm not sure what programs you're referring to that are Intel-only or universal that have been broken by Lion. I've run into a few problems with games I've wrapped and ported to OS X, but those are just games and not really important for productivity. Microsoft Office 2011 runs well, as does every other program I have that has been released since 2008. What programs were you referring to (that are not PPC) when you said 'many, MANY applications'? Even some of my crappy third-party tools are working just fine. Some of those have not had an update in two or more years.
I think most of those things are bugs that apple will have to patch them like the overheating, animations and battery life. If its broken they usually try to fix it. Where as the loss of spaces is a conscious functional change and seems fairly terminal
. Even the guy in the apple shop said he thought mission control wasn't a finished feature.ps
I think whoever tested the 4 fingers + thumb gestures at apple was using the huge external trackpad.
I personally do not see Lion as a 'fail' at all. I think that it is a .0 release and that just like every other .0 release in the past, things will only get better from here...
A crappy lion that doesnt even installs on Snow Leopard MAC
This is the first time I have seen APPLE screw so bad an OS upgrade...
Upgraded my snow leopard to the max and bough the junk, sorry upgrade
When trying to install it stops and tells me that it can not create a recovery disk in my mac and no other explanation or options are displayed
After searching in Apple Support I find out that also for UNKNOWN REASONS the installer now requires a external boot disk to install the OS and create the recovery disk but then you loose you download install and have to buy another OS X Lion upgrade for your machine!! What is the crap APPLE?
How come you own upgrade can not read and install in a Apple formated HD with plenty of emply space on its apple partition (it has an apple boot camp partition)?
This is the first time I have seen APPLE screw so bad an OS upgrade...
Upgraded my snow leopard to the max and bough the junk, sorry upgrade
When trying to install it stops and tells me that it can not create a recovery disk in my mac and no other explanation or options are displayed
After searching in Apple Support I find out that also for UNKNOWN REASONS the installer now requires a external boot disk to install the OS and create the recovery disk but then you loose you download install and have to buy another OS X Lion upgrade for your machine!! What is the crap APPLE?
How come you own upgrade can not read and install in a Apple formated HD with plenty of emply space on its apple partition (it has an apple boot camp partition)?
MY Take:
- Airdrop =
- Full screen apps =
- Better Security =
- Launchpad =
- Resume =
- Autosave/ Versions =
- Mail =
- Mission control =
- Downloading Files Box Hidden =
Major Win- Image Telephone -
If I made many phone calls from my iMac it would be a winner. I don't so I removed it.The way they now arrange files and Folders is The Pits. I normally have Folders first, independent files - Files that don't go into other folders - left out. In one Folder where I store pictures I have literally hundreds of assorted .JPG, .BIT, .GIF and .HTM/HTML files mixed in. That I also keep .DOC, .DOCM, .PPS and other assorted file types in there is irrelevant.
Currently keeping that one, very busy (files are added Every day) folder sane is to have is it "Arranged by [None] Sorted by [Kind]" All of a sudden the folders I use the most are on the bottom and not the top. Fixing this busy sub-folder means that I'm going to create an 11th folder and move all the files into it.
Yesterday I went to open up two spreadsheet files at once. For some reason I haven't yet grasped, I opened up what I Think, repeat, THINK is their basic outline, framework or something or another. But not the saved files files I wanted open. Why weren't the files opened?
Major Winner: Slow Script Error FINALLY Solved! https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/771607/
I tried it yesterday and it works perfectly!
iTunes.
I use this whenever my iMac is awake and working. I'm talking about multiple hours at a time here. 
-T to get the visualizer working, then Green Dot to minimize the box. The visualizer was perfect to locate iTunes if I wanted to play a music CD or change the radio station. It was perfect. But the past few upgrades have made iTunes hard to find. And then bringing up iTunes to normal had the visualizer gone. This is small I know, but extremely irritating. I'd like to have the visualizer running until I tell it to stop.The movement bars on the sides and bottom are smaller and harder to use. The same with the red, yellow & green buttons sizing on top. Make them larger, please.
I have a lot of re-organization coming up. As I use Lion more often (thank you hiding the Downloads and fixing Slow Script) I may find more things good and bad. I'll be adding more Winners and Losers as things go.
Okay, one week out with Lion. So far I'm digging it.
All this is because of the MagicTrackpad I use exclusively. If I had to use a mouse, I may not be digging it as well. So with that:
1. I'm digging Launchpad...even though I didn't think I'd use it at all. Easy to get to my applications with a simple gesture. Sure, my often used apps were in the Dock, but having used Launchpad for the past week, I haven't used the Dock at all except to like open up Downloads once or twice. I'm even wishing there was a way to just get rid of it now or turn it off.
2. I'm really digging MissionControl. Four finger swipe up and all my spaces and all my open applications are right there. Easy-Peasy Lemon-Squeezy. I swear, i'm flying through different open apps like hot knife through butter. Again, if I were using a mouse only, this wouldn't be that cool and I'd think it was kind of un-needed. The trackpad makes all the difference.
3. I'm back to using Safari as my main browser now. The main thing I don't like is that it does seem to have a memory leak and I'm not liking how it handles cookies...no control over them and no extension that I can find that helps control them. Though I'm using Ghostery, there seems to still be "cache" files from various ad-tracking sights, though no real cookies per-se. I DO like the two finger swipe back and forth to go between your page history.
4. I really like the full-page apps. Again, didn't think I did, but with how they're handled with their own space and ease of getting to them, there's much less distraction when I'm writing (which I need, obviously). I like them.
5. Since this is on a multi-page thread, I'm at the point to where I can write anything at #5 and no one would ever read it...seriously, if you're reading this far into this post, thanks. A little about myself before you think i'm some newbie to computers and easily "wow'ed" by the pretty glitter in Lion. I've been using personal computers since 1979...with my original Apple ][. I used to be a dyed-in-the-wool Unix guy that lived on the console/terminal. I went to the mouse kicking and screaming with the Amiga, then with Windows and OS/2 and NeXT. Finally to the Mac with I guess you would call System 6...a few months before System 7 came out. (Jesus, want to talk about a HUGE uproar in the community, it was a nightmare going from 6 to 7).
Anyway, even after all that, I still like Lion so far. Bugs to be sure, but I think they'll iron them out.
All this is because of the MagicTrackpad I use exclusively. If I had to use a mouse, I may not be digging it as well. So with that:
1. I'm digging Launchpad...even though I didn't think I'd use it at all. Easy to get to my applications with a simple gesture. Sure, my often used apps were in the Dock, but having used Launchpad for the past week, I haven't used the Dock at all except to like open up Downloads once or twice. I'm even wishing there was a way to just get rid of it now or turn it off.
2. I'm really digging MissionControl. Four finger swipe up and all my spaces and all my open applications are right there. Easy-Peasy Lemon-Squeezy. I swear, i'm flying through different open apps like hot knife through butter. Again, if I were using a mouse only, this wouldn't be that cool and I'd think it was kind of un-needed. The trackpad makes all the difference.
3. I'm back to using Safari as my main browser now. The main thing I don't like is that it does seem to have a memory leak and I'm not liking how it handles cookies...no control over them and no extension that I can find that helps control them. Though I'm using Ghostery, there seems to still be "cache" files from various ad-tracking sights, though no real cookies per-se. I DO like the two finger swipe back and forth to go between your page history.
4. I really like the full-page apps. Again, didn't think I did, but with how they're handled with their own space and ease of getting to them, there's much less distraction when I'm writing (which I need, obviously). I like them.
5. Since this is on a multi-page thread, I'm at the point to where I can write anything at #5 and no one would ever read it...seriously, if you're reading this far into this post, thanks. A little about myself before you think i'm some newbie to computers and easily "wow'ed" by the pretty glitter in Lion. I've been using personal computers since 1979...with my original Apple ][. I used to be a dyed-in-the-wool Unix guy that lived on the console/terminal. I went to the mouse kicking and screaming with the Amiga, then with Windows and OS/2 and NeXT. Finally to the Mac with I guess you would call System 6...a few months before System 7 came out. (Jesus, want to talk about a HUGE uproar in the community, it was a nightmare going from 6 to 7).
Anyway, even after all that, I still like Lion so far. Bugs to be sure, but I think they'll iron them out.
I was simply adding to the list of "wins" that I quoted previously to balance it out (showing the negatives with the positives), as some people here can be very one-sided. I think Lion has a lot to offer, but it still needs a lot of work.
Yes, Launchpad can add to the user experience, and it can be turned off. But as for what it is, its very primitive and unpolished. Maybe future updates will make it more pleasant to use.
$69 for a USB is an enormous fail because there are people out there who 1) are on limited/slow internet and can't d/l 4GB, 2) don't have the 4GB+ of free HDD space needed on their systems to d/l and install lion. And not every Tom Dick and Harry is gonna understand how to create their own boot disk. Clearly, they're trying to phase out physical media, but they should have made it $34 or $39. Theres still an incentive for people to d/l, but an affordable option for those who simply cannot. They would've had the same results, without the backlash.
I'm not sure why you differentiate the people on MR from the "real world." Its not like we're in some fantasyland in your mind. Oh and congrats on your clinical trial. Clearly you have rock solid evidence that if it doesn't happen to you, it cannot happen to anyone else.
Just a few from the first page of search results:
[url=https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1195184/[/url]
[url=https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1192505/[/url]
[url=https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1192623/" MBP consistently running hot after installing Lion[/url]
[url=https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1192561/[/url]
[url=https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1192850/[/url]
I have had both happen to me - consistently higher temps and noticeably decreased battery life. At first I did the SL-to-Lion upgrade and noticed the issues. Then, a few days later, I did a clean install of Lion with a boot disk, hoping the issues would resolve, but they did not.
While you may not consider your Rosetta programs essential, I'm sure there are those out there that do. Upgrading to Lion will force them to find, and pay for, replacements.
As for all the other incompatible programs, I'm not going to type out a list, but here's a thread (several pages long) where that list has already been made:
[url=https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1191174/]Things that do/don't work in Lion
And thats just one of many similar threads.
I think most of those things are bugs that apple will have to patch them like the overheating, animations and battery life. If its broken they usually try to fix it. Where as the loss of spaces is a conscious functional change and seems fairly terminal
ps
I think whoever tested the 4 fingers + thumb gestures at apple was using the huge external trackpad.
Agreed, these things will hopefully be fixed in the next update. This all is just based on what we have to deal with today.
Well, for business critical Lion is a FAIL for me...
MBA 2010 maxed...
2 fresh installs (after borked update due to program abnormalities)
Here is what works...
VMWare fusion (no problems), iTunes, iBank, Office (sometimes) pathfinder, adobe pro, etc.
Here is what is broken, and I cannot fix, and need it for work. as these are part of my Daily productive required task(s)/programs.
1. Email 5.0 with Specifically 2 IMAP accounts that jack up when syncing. Won't upload sent correctly. Disconnects from IMAP account sporadically for no reason, and I need to right click- sync, and watch 3200 emails re-download about 19 times a day- burning resources in it's path.
Support forums on apples boards are riddled with similar and other issues with IMAP.
Additionally, I get about 5 crashes with Kernel panics daily now.
2. My shared folders on my SBS server takes forever to connect to and pass information back and forth to. This is my primary pdf document server, and scanning solution for my company, so this is used all day and is now barley connecting.
3. have 2 team profiles expiring on Xcode, yet for 3 days cannot get a clean install. Updated, deleted, etc. Needless to say, I need to update my profiles, and Xcode is a no go on my system. (see photo of latest attempt** iTunes was closed btw, and hitting the finder button re-opens iTunes- great.) this forced a shutdown after system freeze.
4. Safari is slower then the previous SL for me. That back and forward "refreshing" is a killer nasty feature- hate it.
5. My iCal is MM and a business Cal stored on go-daddy for my website. well thats a 50/50 failed connecting error throughout the day. Useless.
I could go on really, but honestly-
I need mail to function perfectly. It falls considerable short.
I need to use my Calendar (i can't 50% of the time)
I need X-code, can't get it to install.
I need my server folders accessible- Fast, and easy like before; but I can't have that either.
I have tried, bit my tongue, and explored many other variables including fresh installs. I'm done trying to fix what is supposed to work.
Back to SL, should have followed my gut. Lesson learned, and my own fault for upping to Lion so quickly.
MBA 2010 maxed...
2 fresh installs (after borked update due to program abnormalities)
Here is what works...
VMWare fusion (no problems), iTunes, iBank, Office (sometimes) pathfinder, adobe pro, etc.
Here is what is broken, and I cannot fix, and need it for work. as these are part of my Daily productive required task(s)/programs.
1. Email 5.0 with Specifically 2 IMAP accounts that jack up when syncing. Won't upload sent correctly. Disconnects from IMAP account sporadically for no reason, and I need to right click- sync, and watch 3200 emails re-download about 19 times a day- burning resources in it's path.
Support forums on apples boards are riddled with similar and other issues with IMAP.
Additionally, I get about 5 crashes with Kernel panics daily now.
2. My shared folders on my SBS server takes forever to connect to and pass information back and forth to. This is my primary pdf document server, and scanning solution for my company, so this is used all day and is now barley connecting.
3. have 2 team profiles expiring on Xcode, yet for 3 days cannot get a clean install. Updated, deleted, etc. Needless to say, I need to update my profiles, and Xcode is a no go on my system. (see photo of latest attempt** iTunes was closed btw, and hitting the finder button re-opens iTunes- great.) this forced a shutdown after system freeze.
4. Safari is slower then the previous SL for me. That back and forward "refreshing" is a killer nasty feature- hate it.
5. My iCal is MM and a business Cal stored on go-daddy for my website. well thats a 50/50 failed connecting error throughout the day. Useless.
I could go on really, but honestly-
I need mail to function perfectly. It falls considerable short.
I need to use my Calendar (i can't 50% of the time)
I need X-code, can't get it to install.
I need my server folders accessible- Fast, and easy like before; but I can't have that either.
I have tried, bit my tongue, and explored many other variables including fresh installs. I'm done trying to fix what is supposed to work.
Back to SL, should have followed my gut. Lesson learned, and my own fault for upping to Lion so quickly.
