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This pending legislation is about payment- not another App Store.
All the App Store needs is a PayPal button as an -option- and all this hubbub would be over

Truth be told we as consumers dont really care about who we pay for IAP. This is why the discussion has included the appstore, something that more than a few consumers wish to have an alternative to.

(Yes, you can end a sentence on a preposition. English is not Latin)
 
Apple doesnt have a monopoly on payment security, Apple doesnt have a monopoly on trust (Hell they just lost your trust with privacy) but somehow they are the only company in the 100+ trillion global economy who can be trusted to process payments for fortnite skins....

Getting into cars with strangers, sleeping at strangers houses, yeah we can trust Uber & Airbnb to process those transactions but Fortnite skins??? MuSt uSe iNApPuRcHaSe fOr sEcUrItAh

They can't even use the "privacy" excuse anymore. Apple just told them they don't have privacy as they start scanning iphones with iOS15

Like they say at McDonald's "Im loving it!"
 
No other store allows customers to dictate what they will pay with... the store decides your options and until now folks have been utterly fine with this... this isn't about choice and things being better for users or developers, this is about other businesses whining that "it's not fair" - well, screw 'em!
 
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First, no, I don't think they do, or at least not many. Second, what a ridiculous comparison.
I didn't say I agreed with it; this will be the argument Apple will use. If I can put apps on my Mac without having to go through the App Store, for the life of me don't understand why I couldn't similarly do it on my iPhone.
 
Truth be told we as consumers dont really care about who we pay for IAP. This is why the discussion has included the appstore, something that more than a few consumers wish to have an alternative to.

(Yes, you can end a sentence on a preposition. English is not Latin)
We can say we don't care, but the likelihood I will keep pulling out my credit card each time a new app wants to charge me for something is going to quickly diminish. That little moment of resistance will be the difference between some companies making it and others going bust.
 
In literally the same universe you are talking about. 72 Billion in gross revenue Apple collected from in-app purchases in 2020. In the same year, TRILLIONS where transacted on those same iphones on Facebook, Google ads, Amazon, Airbnb, Ride Share apps, Ebay + other ecommerce apps, Banking e.t.c yet Apple didnt charge them a dime for those transactions. In fact, if they wanted to use in-app purchase APPLE WOULD REJECT THEM WHY? Because their transactions involve actual work, customer service e.t.c. which Apple does not want to do. But buying a fortnite skin? Yeah thats free money for Apple so YOU MUST use in-app purchase.

THere no free ride on the app store - you MUST buy a macbook and pay $99 a year to develop. $99 a year is a full year of netflix without even publishing a single app. Some free ride you must be rich.
Your point? Apple is not in a busses of ‘free for all’ and they would never be on the position they are, their products would have never come to be, if they were in a busses of offering things for free.
 
They will lower the prices to stay competitive against other apps.
That makes no sense if they are already on the app store competing with other apps already. You're essentially saying that the developers have to keep accepting/accept a lower price now that they no longer pay a fee. If anything, devs will hold the same price and pocket the difference because people are already paying those prices. It really sounds like your advocating a "race to the bottom" mentality here.
 
I didn't say I agreed with it; this will be the argument Apple will use. If I can put apps on my Mac without having to go through the App Store, for the life of me don't understand why I couldn't similarly do it on my iPhone.

If I can buy snacks from any store I want and eat them at home while I watch a movie, I don't understand why I can't do that at a movie theater.
 
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Thus if the App Store is an extension of the mall in a virtual sense
What took you to that conclusion in the first place? A mall is privately owned by a company. On the other hand, it’s us iPhone users who own our own devices.
 
If I don't like the store where I buy tires for my Ford, nobody tells me to buy a Chevy. I just go to a different tire store.

If you're a business owner and don't like paying Google for rent inside an Android mall, Google lets you setup shop next to the mall for free.

Don't like the tire store inside the mall? Go to the one that's next to the mall.
 
To date I have not seen any of the supporters of 3rd party payment systems explain how Apple is supposed to recoup the costs of the store and everything that supports the developers when most apps are listed FREE!

Back to the Best Buy or brick and mortar analogy, it would be like them putting TVs on their shelves, free for the taking, that come with "visit this website to activate" in big letters on the box. In that scenario the retailer is completely cut out of the equation.

I'm ok with IAP happening outside of Apple but then apps need to have a cost and the retailer, in this case Apple, is able to get a cut.

Simple: once free apps that demand third-party payment systems cross some xx hundreds of thousands of downloads, increase the developer fee from $99/year to $149/year. I assume you're concerned about hosting / bandwidth, as that's Apple's major variable expense.

100 MB app x 100k downloads x $0.05 / GB (AWS S3) = $500

Apple makes $64 billion in profit per year from the App Store fees.

Apple’s App Store made an estimated $64 billion in 2020

Apple can find many options in the huge gap between $0 and $64 billion, i.e., free apps drive new sales to the iPhone / iPad / Apple TV. Developers deserve to be paid for the amount of effort & passion they put into their apps: that's why the fee should be lower.
 
To date I have not seen any of the supporters of 3rd party payment systems explain how Apple is supposed to recoup the costs of the store and everything that supports the developers when most apps are listed FREE!

Back to the Best Buy or brick and mortar analogy, it would be like them putting TVs on their shelves, free for the taking, that come with "visit this website to activate" in big letters on the box. In that scenario the retailer is completely cut out of the equation.

I'm ok with IAP happening outside of Apple but then apps need to have a cost and the retailer, in this case Apple, is able to get a cut.

You really should do more research.

Apple charges $99 for Developer accounts.

 
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Apple should demand publishers charge for their apps up front. “Developers may either use the in-app payment system for app upgrades, or charge full retail price at point of sale for a completely unlocked version of the app with no in-app upgrades required.”
 
That makes no sense if they are already on the app store competing with other apps already. You're essentially saying that the developers have to keep accepting/accept a lower price now that they no longer pay a fee. If anything, devs will hold the same price and pocket the difference because people are already paying those prices. It really sounds like your advocating a "race to the bottom" mentality here.
There is kind of a rate the market is willing to pay for apps or service subscriptions. Races to the bottom don't generally happen because so many of these services have fixed costs they have to account for and gouging doesn't happen as the public has no appetite for it. I noticed that when Apple cut the commission for most developers to 15% from 30% that there were no 15% price cuts to what the developers were charging their customers.
 
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No other store allows customers to dictate what they will pay with... the store decides your options and until now folks have been utterly fine with this... this isn't about choice and things being better for users or developers, this is about other businesses whining that "it's not fair" - well, screw 'em!
Once you purchase an app, is it still "in the store"? I mean when you buy a PS5 from bestbuy, you go home with it its no longer "in the store". Your only relationship is with the hardware and sony. But in "Apples Store", apps on the "home screen" are apparently still "In the store"? What kind of logic is this were the store has no boundaries allowing the apple to dictate a developer's business into perpetuity?

Apple is desperate for software money since iPhone has stalled. Next, under `pRiVaCy & sEcUrItY` developers will be forced to use Apple Servers, Apple databases essentially killing the cloud industry because why not? Its their store. 🤦‍♀️
 
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If you're a business owner and don't like paying Google for rent inside an Android mall, Google lets you setup shop next to the mall for free.

Don't like the tire store inside the mall? Go to the one that's next to the mall.
If I'm a business owner and don't like paying Apple for rent inside the macOS mall, I can setup shop next to the mall for free. It's only at the iOS mall that I'm not permitted to do that.
 
Getting into cars with strangers, sleeping at strangers houses, dropping your entire networth on Crypto & YOLO stocks, yeah we can trust Uber, Airbnb, Coinbase & Robinhood to process those transactions but Fortnite skins??? MuSt uSe iNApPuRcHaSe fOr sEcUrItAh

And if Apple collected 30% for Uber/Airbnb, you'd be shouting "Apple sits back and collects 30% while AirBnB users have to give up their homes and Uber drivers have to deal with physical abuse by customers"

Never ending complaints by you people. Apple can be collecting 0% and you'll find something else to complain about.
 
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