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Sox Sweep Yanks

you can say whatever you want, koodauw said "check jeter's Oct stats and see if he's overrated" and i did that. it's fairly clear that his implication was that jeter is a good oct. player - well, he's not, as i showed. because if he meant an equiv. oct. performance actually means "better," then he should have said - "hey, check jeter's oct. stats - he's as good as usual against tougher opponents, so he's actually good" or something to that degree. it seemed to me like he didn't realize jeter's post season stats are no better than regular season - and that he bought into media hype of jeter being "better."

i didn't rationalize anything - if anything, it's you guys suddenly "rationalizing" why an oct. stat that's no different (or slightly worse) than the regular season is actually "good." :rolleyes: or that he makes good defensive plays so he's good. (well should i go check his defensive numbers too?) or that he has intangibles, blah, blah. yeah you tell me how to check "oct stats" on intangibles. :rolleyes:
 
Actually Jeter is a better Oct. player than most other superstars because their numbers usually go down in post season, and Jeter's don't. That right there backs up previous statements. The man is not without fault, and he wouldn't have had the opportunity to be who is he if he didn't play for the Yanks, who make the post season every year, but to say he is overrated because he hits the same as any other time seems to me to be misleading. If you look at many other superstars, they don't hit nearly as well during the post season as they do in the regular season. The fact that Jeter does is one heck of an accomplishment. And he does it with the game on the line.
 
unfortunately, baseball-reference.com doesn't have fielding stats for the post season. but i'll tell you one thing. until 2004, jeter's range factor has consistently been lower, considerably lower, in fact, than the league average. on average, per 9 innings, jeter gets to about half a ball in play less than the average SS in the league.

it's a bit old, but here's espn.com's rob neyer's take on jeter's defense.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/columns/neyer_rob/1415695.html

if you still want to talk about his defense being better, that's fine, but there's no objective means to prove it. if you want to discuss something but don't believe in as objective numbers as there are but only wants to focus on fuzzy memory and biased views, well, then it's not really a discussion, is it?
 
yoda13 said:
... to say he is overrated because he hits the same as any other time seems to me to be misleading.
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it's also misleading to say "go check his oct. stat and see if he's overrated" when you mean "his oct. stat is almost as good as the reg. season so he's actually a great player." :rolleyes:
 
Here is my one stat.

1918. The only stat you need to know.
 

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Looks like we may not get a game tonight as it is expected to pour all night.
 
MacNut said:
Looks like we may not get a game tonight as it is expected to pour all night.
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They may well be the best thing for the Yankees. It will give extra time for Pedro to rest. Many local commentators in Boston think that we will win this series.
 
it's a tough call. pedro getting more rest is always a good thing. the same for schilling, although his injury is such that a day or two probably won't make much difference.

but el duque also gets a bit more rest. so does brown. and yankees will be able to start mussina a game earlier. then, of course, rivera now may get two days off. he'll be ready to close two more games, getting 4 outs each time, so that's bad...

on the other hand, any time for the sox to forget what happened in the bronx has to be a good thing...
 
jxyama said:
it's also misleading to say "go check his oct. stat and see if he's overrated" when you mean "his oct. stat is almost as good as the reg. season so he's actually a great player." :rolleyes:
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For what its worth, I am not the one that told you to do that. Stats are not the only judge of a ball player. :p
 
I personally think that any extra rest benefits the Sox. The Yanks are on a roll and Brown and El Duque are both rested. However, this gives Pedro an extra day of rest and might help Schilling to pitch again in this series. Plus it gives the Sox a chance to regroup, and the Yanks a chance to cool off and get off their roll. More rest= advantage for the Sox, IMO.
 
Helps Sox... Hurts Yanks

The extra day off would (could) mean that Pedro pitches at Fenway instead of at Yankee stadium. Hopefully no rain.. I want to hear "Whos your daddy" even louder than last time.
 
yoda13 said:
I personally think that any extra rest benefits the Sox. The Yanks are on a roll and Brown and El Duque are both rested. However, this gives Pedro an extra day of rest and might help Schilling to pitch again in this series. Plus it gives the Sox a chance to regroup, and the Yanks a chance to cool off and get off their roll. More rest= advantage for the Sox, IMO.
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hopefully, it won't be like 1975 WS when it kept on raining and raining and raining... and sox eventually lost. :(
 
Tonight's game has officially been rained out. They will play tomorrow, so far not scheduled to rain. Tonight's tickets will be good on Monday.
 
Ok being a Yankee fan I'm very pleased with tonight's game but it was kind of sad to watch the Sox implode. You have to feel for the fans because nobody should have to go through a loss like that. This whole series is a disappointment, I was hoping for a rematch of last years ALCS but this is ridiculous. I was hoping the Sox would put up some kind of fight in this series.
 
wow, what a crazy game. matsui and sheffield looked like they were playing slow pitch softball.

bummer... :(
 
re: Feeling sorry for the Red Sox

I hear ya. I do, but I also don't.

I do, because you could see the looks on the fans' faces, the players' faces. But at the same time, these guys have been talking a lot of cocky crap coming into this series (does "I'm going to enjoy silencing 55,000 NYers" ring any bells?). The Yankees don't talk like this. They haven't since this run began. I feel sorry for them, and yet, if the tables were reversed, would you be happy to see them cheering over the implosion of the Yankees?

We can't feel sorry for either the fans or the players. We need to be happy that the Yankees have played this well thus far. It only gives us that much more fuel whenever a Sox fan begins chanting 'Yankees Suck' or Pedro or Varitek starts another brawl with our guys. Can't feel sorry for a team that tries to win through intimidation.

I hafta admit tho that I do feel sorry for Arroyo tonight. I'm glad we outclubbed the BoSox, but the look on that kid's face was wrenching.
 
I too enjoyed the game tonight, but I don't think I hate the Red Sox as badly as some of their fans seem to hate the Yanks. I saw a guy on TV being interviewed a few years ago who said something to the effect of "I hate NY... I don't just mean the team... I hate the city... I hate the people..." Holy moly that man has issues. How anyone could get so worked over something like that is beyond me.
 
There was, in the Community Section a while back (by the way, how the hell is "Sox Sweep Yanks" a "Current Event"?), but because this thread received so much more attention and participation from posters than the other thread, it engulfed that other thread.
 
Id be betting they will try to rehire Grady Little, He actually got them to a game 7.
 
Who was supposed to sweep who here, I do seem to remember Sox fans running their mouth about how the Yankees are going down, If you can dish it ye must be able to take it too. :rolleyes:
 
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