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Sox Sweep Yanks

Jeter is a great player. He is just in a slump. In my opinion he will retire within the next 3 seasons. He is getting old. But, age old, not old as in boring. Also, Boston fans need to quit blaming the Yanks for the Red Sox's losses. Face it every time the Yanks beat the Red Sox, they were the better team that day or night. When the Red Sox beat the Yanks, they were the better team that game. It just so happens that the Yanks were better most of the time in each game. So yes, the Red Sox fans need to stop need blaming the Yanks for their losses and need to find a way to get their team winning again. By tearing down Babe Ruth's house was not a way.
 
quagmire said:
Jeter is a great player. He is just in a slump. In my opinion he will retire within the next 3 seasons. He is getting old. But, age old, not old as in boring. Also, Boston fans need to quit blaming the Yanks for the Red Sox's losses. Face it every time the Yanks beat the Red Sox, they were the better team that day or night. When the Red Sox beat the Yanks, they were the better team that game. It just so happens that the Yanks were better most of the time in each game. So yes, the Red Sox fans need to stop need blaming the Yanks for their losses and need to find a way to get their team winning again. By tearing down Babe Ruth's house was not a way.
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Yes, I quite agree with the second part of your statement. The Yankees are not the Red Sox problem. The Red Sox are the Red Sox problem. Let's not forget that they have been to three game 7s in the world series since 1918 and lost them all (none of them, obviously, to the Yankees). So although the recent trend is boston losing to NY, historically, the Sox have had their chances when they beat the Yanks and yet managed to lose to someone else. Focusing on the Yankees is a dangerous and stupid thing to do, and the reverse is also true. There's no doubt in my mind that the Yankees were the better team than the Marlins last year, and NY lost because they had viewed the ALCS as the world series, forgetting that there were 4 more wins they had to get. Had the Sox won game 7, they would have lost to the marlins for the same reason. And I believe that the Yanks will lose to the National League again this year for the same reason.

As for the part about Jeter, you're just wrong. He's not old. He's 30, which should be prime-time for position players in baseball. And yet he's pretty much been in decline since the 2000 season, the last year that he could really be called a great player. Because he did use to be, I give you that. His 1998-2000 numbers are fantastic. But he hasn't been that player in 4 years, and there's no reason to think he will be that player again (much like Nomar, actually). 2003 was something of a resurgence for him in limited time, but his power numbers were still not what they had been. And 2003 is now sandwiched by 2 seasons with a BA under .300 and a flagging OPS.

Macnut, I go to games and watch them on TV because I *like* the team, not because I think I can *influence* the team. :rolleyes: Do you honestly see yourself as an active part of the Yankee's success??
 
Wow, I must be lost in time. Jeter is only 30!!! I must be lost. Like I am with Giambi. Does anyone know what happened to him?
 
MacNut said:
A direct impact no but an indirect impact yes, I think the fans can sway and help the home team. And you cant tell me that Red Sox fans are not passionate about their team like the Yankee fans are.
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Of course the fans are passionate, but in the end, it is the players on the field who decide the game. How much the crowd gets in to it can play some small part, but in the end, I think it's ridiculous for fans to take credit or blame for what professional athletes do. We're not out there practicing with them, we're not making their salaries or feeling their pressure... how can we accept either credit or blame for what happens?
 
quagmire said:
Wow, I must be lost in time. Jeter is only 30!!! I must be lost. Like I am with Giambi. Does anyone know what happened to him?
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Do you actually no anything about the team?
 
MacNut said:
Do you actually no anything about the team?
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Not, really. I am new fan of the Yankee's and I haven't paid much attention to baseball this season intill Washington got the expo's. My old team was the dumb ass loser Orioles.
 
quagmire said:
Not, really. I am new fan of the Yankee's and I haven't paid much attention to baseball this season intill Washington got the expo's. My old team was the dumb ass loser Orioles.
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I think it's exciting that Washington will have a team again. I don't expect them to be any good for a long time... but they were just wasting away up in Montreal. Hopefully now they will have the revenue to be competitive again at some point in the future.
 
The personal insults, personal feuds, and unsportsmanlike conduct in this thread need to stop. The offending posts from last night and today have been deleted. If you aren't interested in a civilized discussion or can't appreciate games as games, don't post here.
 
Thank you for sticking up for the Red Sox, Doctor Q. Tonight will definitely be the make or break game. If it's like the last three then it is all over. My wife says they should just put them out of their misery. :D
 
wdlove said:
My wife says they should just put them out of their misery. :D
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Sadly, wdlove, I sort of agree with your wife. A long, lingering death is worse. No way to come back from a 3-0 hole, so why prolong the agony? Except of course, if the Yankees win tonight, they get to go back to the top of their rotation in the world series, whereas if the sox drag it out to 6 games, the yankees have to start Brown (or Vasquez) in game 1 of the Series.

If you care about the Yankees losing (or are a genuine cards/'stros fan), you have to root for the red sox to make this series last as long as possible because that really taxes the yankee pitching.
 
QCassidy352 said:
. There's no doubt in my mind that the Yankees were the better team than the Marlins last year, and NY lost because they had viewed the ALCS as the world series, forgetting that there were 4 more wins they had to get. Had the Sox won game 7, they would have lost to the marlins for the same reason. And I believe that the Yanks will lose to the National League again this year for the same reason.
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I Agree With You 100%

QCassidy352 said:
As for the part about Jeter, you're just wrong. He's not old. He's 30, which should be prime-time for position players in baseball. And yet he's pretty much been in decline since the 2000 season, the last year that he could really be called a great player. Because he did use to be, I give you that. His 1998-2000 numbers are fantastic. But he hasn't been that player in 4 years, and there's no reason to think he will be that player again (much like Nomar, actually). 2003 was something of a resurgence for him in limited time, but his power numbers were still not what they had been. And 2003 is now sandwiched by 2 seasons with a BA under .300 and a flagging OPS.
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Jeter is an Assh*le , he suffers from Mickey Mantle Syndrome ..to much Partying at night clubs , too much drinking , and too much focus on dumb stripper at titty bars to worry about his game. Mickey Mantle was guilty of the same nonsense and it hurt his game. I really am greatful that we have A-rod and Sheffield becuause they are doing exactly what George Stienbrenner paid Jeter and Giambi $189 mil & $129 mil a piece to do.
Jeter is too busy thinking about what time the game is going to end so he isn't late for his hot date with some super model.

Giambi is very sick and may never be the same player again, and Jeter is obviously still on vacation i wish he would show up to the playoffs already and atleast contest whatever one else already knows. that A-rod should be the one playing Short Stop and make Jeter get over his huge Ego. A-Rod has been doing Jeters Job since the playoffs began. I guess now he's the new Mr. October.
 
Doctor Q said:
The personal insults, personal feuds, and unsportsmanlike conduct in this thread need to stop. The offending posts from last night and today have been deleted. If you aren't interested in a civilized discussion or can't appreciate games as games, don't post here.
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Awe man. I musta missed those posts. I need to check in more often I guess.

in extra innings right now... Where is Aaron Boone when ya need him :p
 
finally over...

you know sox was desparate when the hope of the series rested upon leskanic. he did a marvelous job, but he's definitely not my first choice in pitching in a tense, extra inning, playoff game. (sox also had no choice.)

if the agony of being a sox fan is to continue, schill will win tomorrow, pedro the game 6 then sox will lose a heartbreaker game 7. :( :p
 
MacNut said:
Who was supposed to sweep who here, I do seem to remember Sox fans running their mouth about how the Yankees are going down, If you can dish it ye must be able to take it too. :rolleyes:
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This thread was made waaaaaay back in May when the Sox had swept the Yanks in a 3 game series at Yankee Stadium, not as some foretelling of the ALCS (too bad :()

Seriously, if you want to talk about post-season play, go here! :D
 
jxyama said:
finally over...

you know sox was desparate when the hope of the series rested upon leskanic. he did a marvelous job, but he's definitely not my first choice in pitching in a tense, extra inning, playoff game. (sox also had no choice.)

if the agony of being a sox fan is to continue, schill will win tomorrow, pedro the game 6 then sox will lose a heartbreaker game 7. :( :p
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no no, they're saying pedro tomorrow, shilling game 6, arroyo game 7 (all assuming the sox make it that far of course). This game was fun, but in the end, it's only setting up a heartbreaker, as you say.
 
The Red Sox just need to pull the plug, the life support won't last forever. Just like Schilling's ankle the Sox will break.
 
Judgement Day is Inevitable

While i would have liked to have seen and bragg about a Yankee Sweep. In my heart i never believed the Yanks would sweep the Sox , they are just too good to go down without a fight.

never the less the thought of us beating Pedro at Yankee Stadium for the 2nd year in a row, while chanting "who's your daddy" is just simply too much to resist.

So Boston Fans Enjoy your Moral Victory tonight because later on today the Final Nail in the BlowSux Coffin get's hammered. let's see Pedro(our Prision Bitch) is pitching , and the Sox bullpen is depleted. Situation is not good 4 u guys.

Just as every year we set u up just to knock you down with a Heartbreaker.

Till tonight you Red Monkey's

May the Curse be with You .....LMAO

GO YANKEESSSSSS

P.S. Will Someone please tell Derek Jeter that we are almost at the World Series. He needs to wake up and play like a $189,000,000 is Supposed to.
 
QCassidy352 said:
no no, they're saying pedro tomorrow, shilling game 6, arroyo game 7 (all assuming the sox make it that far of course). This game was fun, but in the end, it's only setting up a heartbreaker, as you say.
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i'm wondering if franconia is still trying to fit schilling in there today, somehow. if anyone can win a game 6 in the bronx, it's pedro with extra two days rest. with a depleted bullpen, whoever starts tonight has to go deep, mendoza/myers/wakefield/timlin are only relievers left... sox will need to hit a lot to give themselves a chance.

speaking of hitting, why hasn't franconia put in pokey to start? pokey can't possibly hit any worse than bellhorn. at least he was moved down the lineup. two plays bellhorn "missed" (they were both quite tough, especially the one that went up the middle) last night, pokey would have at least turned one of them into an out. his range is unbelievable...

how ironic that the team playing "big ball" got to tie up the game because dave roberts managed to steal 2nd in the 9th?

how big was it to have foulke? though nowhere near rivera, it was a rare sight to see a closer shut down yankees for 2+ innings...

i'm pretty sure yanks will win tonight and seal the series. but for one game, sox showed some guts. (and somewhat contained matsui and shut down sheffield...) i'm glad about that.

edit: i just read the news, you are right. (i couldn't tell if it was your speculation or not...) pedro tonight, schilling wed, if there's a game...
 
jxyama said:
speaking of hitting, why hasn't franconia put in pokey to start? pokey can't possibly hit any worse than bellhorn. at least he was moved down the lineup. two plays bellhorn "missed" (they were both quite tough, especially the one that went up the middle) last night, pokey would have at least turned one of them into an out. his range is unbelievable...

how ironic that the team playing "big ball" got to tie up the game because dave roberts managed to steal 2nd in the 9th?

how big was it to have foulke? though nowhere near rivera, it was a rare sight to see a closer shut down yankees for 2+ innings...

i'm pretty sure yanks will win tonight and seal the series. but for one game, sox showed some guts. (and somewhat contained matsui and shut down sheffield...) i'm glad about that.

edit: i just read the news, you are right. (i couldn't tell if it was your speculation or not...) pedro tonight, schilling wed, if there's a game...
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I agree with you about replacing bellhorn with pokey. True pokey can't hit, but now neither can bellhorn, so let's at least have some defense.

Actually, what I find funny is that starters were supposed to be the Red Sox strength and gordon/rivera was supposed to be a big yanks edge. So much for those ideas, huh?

If Pedro is Pedro (not the cheap impostor who has been here this year) and Shilling is Shilling (able to pitch like normal) then we could see game seven. If they are the shells of their former selves that we saw earlier in this series, it will be over tonight.

edit: and didn't foulke pitch 3 complete scoreless innings? Right now I'll take him over Rivera. Two blown saves and allowing lots of baserunners even when Rivera does get the save this postseason... perhaps he is distracted, or has lost a step. Or maybe it's just a slump at a bad time.
 
jiggie2g said:
While i would have liked to have seen and bragg about a Yankee Sweep. In my heart i never believed the Yanks would sweep the Sox , they are just too good to go down without a fight.

never the less the thought of us beating Pedro at Yankee Stadium for the 2nd year in a row, while chanting "who's your daddy" is just simply too much to resist.

So Boston Fans Enjoy your Moral Victory tonight because later on today the Final Nail in the BlowSux Coffin get's hammered. let's see Pedro(our Prision Bitch) is pitching , and the Sox bullpen is depleted. Situation is not good 4 u guys.

Just as every year we set u up just to knock you down with a Heartbreaker.

Till tonight you Red Monkey's

May the Curse be with You .....LMAO

GO YANKEESSSSSS

P.S. Will Someone please tell Derek Jeter that we are almost at the World Series. He needs to wake up and play like a $189,000,000 is Supposed to.
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Please, let's keep it civil and not get this thread shut down entirely or make Dr. Q interfere again. You're right about jeter though - he's the easiest out in the yankee line up right now and not exactly playing like a guy making 17 million a year. And let's not forget that Pedro was 10-10 with an era of 3.2 against the yankees before this series (including an 8 inning shutout in the bronx this year that I was at) so although he has struggled of late, it's not exactly like he's never beaten the yankees.
 
cusp said:
Schilling versus Clemens
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That may never happen, Clemens may retire soon (again) and who knows how healthy Schilling would be even if the 2 did meet.
 
MacNut said:
The Red Sox just need to pull the plug, the life support won't last forever. Just like Schilling's ankle the Sox will break.
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You are missing the optimism of the Red Sox fan, it is very contagious. I think that we need to wait and see what happens today.
 
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