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Sox Sweep Yanks
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Woo Hoo, Go Indians!....
Whoops.....But hey, the Tribe handed NY its worst loss in HISTORY this season: 22-0 in Yankees stadium. Into the record books, yay!
But to stay on topic - Last time we saw Pedro in this situation he pitched like a champ - without any run support. If he pitches like that again I think they will win, but I don't see the 'Sox pulling it out to win the whole series, sad to say. Anyway, I really think that both AL teams are looking weak compared to the NL Champs, IMHO.
Whoops.....But hey, the Tribe handed NY its worst loss in HISTORY this season: 22-0 in Yankees stadium. Into the record books, yay!
But to stay on topic - Last time we saw Pedro in this situation he pitched like a champ - without any run support. If he pitches like that again I think they will win, but I don't see the 'Sox pulling it out to win the whole series, sad to say. Anyway, I really think that both AL teams are looking weak compared to the NL Champs, IMHO.
reliever situation (innings/pitches):
Red Sox
foulke 2.3 / 50 yesterday, 0 / 0 game 3
timlin 1 / 37 yesterday, 0 / 0 game 3
embree 1.2 / 30 yesterday, 0.1 / 14 game 3
myers 0 / 4 yesterday, 2 / 42 game 3
leskanic 1.3 / 13 yesterday, 0.1 / 15 game 3
wakefield 0 / 0 yesterday, 3.1 / 64 game 3
mendoza 0 / 0 yesterday, 1 / 20 game 3
Yankees
sturze 2 / 25 yesterday, 0 / 0 game 3
rivera 2 / 40 yesterday, 0 / 0 game 3
gordon 2 / 26 yesterday, 1 / 17 game 3
quantrill 0 / 8 yesterday, 1.2 / 27 game 3
loaiza 0 / 0 yesterday, 0 / 0 game 3
vazquez 0 / 0 yesterday, 4.1 / 96 game 3
the killer was torre using gordon in the blowout. he was very effective yesterday, but probably will not pitch tonight. vazquez and quantrill are unavailable. sturze was tough, he will be the go to guy if mussina fails. rivera can probably go an inning. loaiza is an unknown, but considering the lack of innings thus far, i have a feeling torre doesn't really trust him.
sox's bullpen is in even worse shape, i think. myers is useful only to face matsui, leskanic and embree are unavailable, timlin and foulke are probably good for less than an inning at this point. if pedro fails, mendoza and wakefield will have to step up. it's conceivable for wakefield to be a one day closer today...
the starting pitcher that survives the longest gives his team the greatest chance to win... this is true most of the time anyway, but i think it's especially relevant for this game...
Red Sox
foulke 2.3 / 50 yesterday, 0 / 0 game 3
timlin 1 / 37 yesterday, 0 / 0 game 3
embree 1.2 / 30 yesterday, 0.1 / 14 game 3
myers 0 / 4 yesterday, 2 / 42 game 3
leskanic 1.3 / 13 yesterday, 0.1 / 15 game 3
wakefield 0 / 0 yesterday, 3.1 / 64 game 3
mendoza 0 / 0 yesterday, 1 / 20 game 3
Yankees
sturze 2 / 25 yesterday, 0 / 0 game 3
rivera 2 / 40 yesterday, 0 / 0 game 3
gordon 2 / 26 yesterday, 1 / 17 game 3
quantrill 0 / 8 yesterday, 1.2 / 27 game 3
loaiza 0 / 0 yesterday, 0 / 0 game 3
vazquez 0 / 0 yesterday, 4.1 / 96 game 3
the killer was torre using gordon in the blowout. he was very effective yesterday, but probably will not pitch tonight. vazquez and quantrill are unavailable. sturze was tough, he will be the go to guy if mussina fails. rivera can probably go an inning. loaiza is an unknown, but considering the lack of innings thus far, i have a feeling torre doesn't really trust him.
sox's bullpen is in even worse shape, i think. myers is useful only to face matsui, leskanic and embree are unavailable, timlin and foulke are probably good for less than an inning at this point. if pedro fails, mendoza and wakefield will have to step up. it's conceivable for wakefield to be a one day closer today...
the starting pitcher that survives the longest gives his team the greatest chance to win... this is true most of the time anyway, but i think it's especially relevant for this game...
following a dream
30 minutes before gametime, wonder how cold it is in Beantown (fled the cold for dreamy LA)....Pedro don't like the cold....
If they win
If Houston wins
Clemens in Fenway one more time
"I followed my dreams,
Now my dreams follow me." --Hawkwind
Of course the above formula leaves the Yankees
OUT
do the Yankees dream of android Ortiz's?
30 minutes before gametime, wonder how cold it is in Beantown (fled the cold for dreamy LA)....Pedro don't like the cold....
If they win
If Houston wins
Clemens in Fenway one more time
"I followed my dreams,
Now my dreams follow me." --Hawkwind
Of course the above formula leaves the Yankees
OUT
do the Yankees dream of android Ortiz's?
wow... what a ridiculous game. i cannot believe wakefield shut out yankees for so long. i sure thought yankees power would come around...
tomorrow in bronx, eh..? crazy series, i tell ya. i know it hasn't gone 7 yet, but i feel like this series have now lived up to the hype. these are some crazy games. thank goodness it started early - i can get some sleep tonight...
tomorrow is do or die for the yankees. i can't imagine the pressure of the game 7 knowing you blew a 3-0 lead... but surely, sox depleted bullpen will catch up to them..? (only miracle complete game from schilling will save the sox now...)
i really feel for cards/astros fans. the game just came on and it's in the 9th... dang.
tomorrow in bronx, eh..? crazy series, i tell ya. i know it hasn't gone 7 yet, but i feel like this series have now lived up to the hype. these are some crazy games. thank goodness it started early - i can get some sleep tonight...
tomorrow is do or die for the yankees. i can't imagine the pressure of the game 7 knowing you blew a 3-0 lead... but surely, sox depleted bullpen will catch up to them..? (only miracle complete game from schilling will save the sox now...)
i really feel for cards/astros fans. the game just came on and it's in the 9th... dang.
Damn that David Ortiz.
Well I take my hat off to the RedSux they played with all thier heart , but will still lose the series, no way in hell will they win 4 in a row against the Yanks Especially at Yankee Stadium. Schilling should not pitch tomorrow if he isn't 100% i don't want any excuses from u sox fans.
I put the blame on this game on the Yanks they should have won this game.
A-Rod and Sheff were cold, and the Yanks left 18 stranded on base (unacceptable). In doing so put themselves in a postion to be hammered by the same guy twice.
While i don't care too much about manny , ortiz has always made me nervous when we pitch against him cuz of situations like this.
Well we'll see Tomorrow.
Well I take my hat off to the RedSux they played with all thier heart , but will still lose the series, no way in hell will they win 4 in a row against the Yanks Especially at Yankee Stadium. Schilling should not pitch tomorrow if he isn't 100% i don't want any excuses from u sox fans.
I put the blame on this game on the Yanks they should have won this game.
A-Rod and Sheff were cold, and the Yanks left 18 stranded on base (unacceptable). In doing so put themselves in a postion to be hammered by the same guy twice.
While i don't care too much about manny , ortiz has always made me nervous when we pitch against him cuz of situations like this.
Well we'll see Tomorrow.
jiggie2g said:
i don't think it will be used as an excuse... to be honest, sox got no one left. schilling will have to go out there on a very short leash and be yanked for mendoza if it's not working out. sox had to use everyone tonight. (so did the yanks, i guess...)
sox needs to get to lieber fast so that yanks will need to go to their depleted bullpen and also to give the pitchers some breathing room.
wow, kent just jacked one out for houston. what a treat - i love october!
keysersoze said:MwahHAHAHAHAaaaaHA!!!
Well let's see....
who will be facing elimination on the road, with a crippled starting pitcher , and no bullpen. all you did was add more false hope for the big heartbreaker.
Rest assured the Yanks will be out for blood tomorrow and will pull every dirty tick out of ther ass to win , while feeding off 55,000 hysterical New Yorkers chanting " Who's Your Daddy".
MwahHAHAHAHAaaaaHA!!!
Well see who get's the last laugh
Lord Blackadder said:
I agree with that. Holy crap the Astros look scary. The pitching shut out the mighty cardinals for 9 innings and Carlos Beltran is a MONSTER. Tonight alone he made an AMAZING defensive play and showed his super baserunning ability. He can also knock the walls down with the best of them.
jiggie2g said:
I for one will not make any excuses. Shilling must pitch tomorrow, 100% or not, because there is just no one else who can do it. Wake, Arroyo, and Pedro all pitched tonight and Lowe started yesterday. It has to be Shilling, even if he's hurt. If Shilling were literally too hurt to push off, I don't know what the Sox would do. Start Arroyo? Wakefield? Shilling is the only pitcher the Sox have who even has a chance to do well tomorrow.
I also agree with you that the Yanks lost this one for themselves. You can't strand 18 guys. Of course, the Sox blew many many chances themselves, including in the 1st inning.
Which is exactly why I think the winner of this series (and I must admit, I still think it will be NY because the last two are in NY and Boston has no pitching left) will get hammered by the national league. We know the Cards are nasty, and the Astros are playing ridiculously good baseball right now. A shut out without Clemens or Oswalt starting. Good god.
p.s. Boston's only chance to win is to hit the Yankees' starters early and often, which they have not done so far this series. Reason being that the Yanks' 'pen is just as depleted as the Sox, but the Yanks have the advantage of rested starting pitching. So if the Sox can make torre go to the 'pen again, then who wins becomes a crap-shoot.
jiggie2g said:
no doubt, the numbers are still in yanks favor. but let me just say, sox is now looking more like the yanks of the past. give them an inch, they take a yard and more.
if you told me one of the closers would blow two saves in a row in this series, i wouldn't have thought it would be rivera. if you told me one of the bullpen would throw 8 1/3 innings (or something like that) and allow only one run, i wouldn't have thought it would be the sox.
depleted bullpen goes both ways. quantrill is now hurt. gordon just pitched three days in a row. rivera just pitched 4 innings in two days. tomorrow, if lieber goes down, then who comes in? bullpen is no longer an advantage for either team now...
jiggie2g said:
Another reason that getting to the starters early is especially important for the Sox now. To silence the crowd and take away the advantage of playing in the Bronx.
And let's be honest, the Yanks have been out for blood every single game and have not let up for one second. It's not like the Yankees went easy in this one, any more than the Sox weren't trying in the first three. These teams play each other like it's game 7 even in the regular season. They are both just the best 2 teams in the AL and are clearly so evenly matched that each can beat the other on any given day. (Both the regular season head-to-head record, 11-8 Sox with a sweep by each team, and this series so far demonstrates that.)
Yeah, the umps made some bad calls tonight, like when one of the sox (it was manny right?) completely went around, and they said he didn't...and then Ortiz didn't go around, and they said he did. WTF? Oh well, I'd probably be making some iffy calls after all that. Anyway, go red soxMacNut said:
MacNut said:
Agreed... it sucks when umpires significantly affect the outcome of a game by blowing calls.
MacFan26 said:Yeah, the umps made some bad calls tonight, like when one of the sox (it was manny right?) completely went around, and they said he didn't...and then Ortiz didn't go around, and they said he did. WTF? Oh well, I'd probably be making some iffy calls after all that. Anyway, go red sox
also a few questionable stolen base / caught stealing calls...
the strike zone wasn't very consistent either. at few points in the late innings, it almost looked like umps were tired and wanted to go home.
yeah, manny went that time. and no, ortiz didn't.
so... the question is, if there's a rain out, who benefits more?
i say if tonight's game is washed out, it benefits yankees. a day off to calm down and reflect on the fact they are still in the commanding lead situation will really benefit them.
ideally for the sox, tomorrow's game will be rained out. schilling's condition is such that one day off will not make a difference. if he goes, he goes. tomorrow off, however, would be good for the bullpen. (assuming they win tonight... which is, of course, far from certain.)
i say if tonight's game is washed out, it benefits yankees. a day off to calm down and reflect on the fact they are still in the commanding lead situation will really benefit them.
ideally for the sox, tomorrow's game will be rained out. schilling's condition is such that one day off will not make a difference. if he goes, he goes. tomorrow off, however, would be good for the bullpen. (assuming they win tonight... which is, of course, far from certain.)
Curse is broken...
Sox will go to the world series. While watching the game last night with 5 buddies, it happened, the curse was broken! Let me explain. One of those buddies is my roommate, he was born and bred in the bronx, needless to say he is a huge yankees fan. It was during the top of the 10th inning, the tv was showing shots of the crowd, they were doing it all night. Well, they showed a shot of an 80+ yr old grandma in the stands, she was wearing a rally cap (sox hat tunrned inside out & and worn backwards), it was awkwardly stuffed down on her head with blue hair all over the place. My yankee fan roommate made fun of granny like nobodys business. After throwing granny under the bus he looked around to see if anyone heard, nobody, then he looked at me, and realised I heard him. I then I said "oh, you're gonna regret that". He shouted back at me, "shut up"! He knew what he'd done... he'd broke the curse.
Now you should know that I'm not a sox fan, and never imagined them ever beating the yankees, till now. Its hard to explain, but something happened, and my roommate knows it... Sox win in 7 and go on the world series.
Sox will go to the world series. While watching the game last night with 5 buddies, it happened, the curse was broken! Let me explain. One of those buddies is my roommate, he was born and bred in the bronx, needless to say he is a huge yankees fan. It was during the top of the 10th inning, the tv was showing shots of the crowd, they were doing it all night. Well, they showed a shot of an 80+ yr old grandma in the stands, she was wearing a rally cap (sox hat tunrned inside out & and worn backwards), it was awkwardly stuffed down on her head with blue hair all over the place. My yankee fan roommate made fun of granny like nobodys business. After throwing granny under the bus he looked around to see if anyone heard, nobody, then he looked at me, and realised I heard him. I then I said "oh, you're gonna regret that". He shouted back at me, "shut up"! He knew what he'd done... he'd broke the curse.
Now you should know that I'm not a sox fan, and never imagined them ever beating the yankees, till now. Its hard to explain, but something happened, and my roommate knows it... Sox win in 7 and go on the world series.
good story, but not sure if one remark by your roommate can "break" the curse.
i must say, sox has been tough. the odds are still greatly against, but yankees have definitely shown their weaknesses in the last two games: homer happy offense, lack of quality lefty relievers and above all, over-reliance on rivera during their run.
tonight is a "heart and guts" game... (i know, the last two were too, but now, sox are in the bronx...) and in such a game, i'd take my chance with schilling, even if he's not at 100%.
i must say, sox has been tough. the odds are still greatly against, but yankees have definitely shown their weaknesses in the last two games: homer happy offense, lack of quality lefty relievers and above all, over-reliance on rivera during their run.
tonight is a "heart and guts" game... (i know, the last two were too, but now, sox are in the bronx...) and in such a game, i'd take my chance with schilling, even if he's not at 100%.