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Speculation on Apple's Television Set: Range of Sizes, Device Integration, Premium Pricing
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Well, Munster seems to think you'll still need your cable box. So how the hell else will your shiny new TV change the channels?
How about pay one low price per station and get it streamed. Like they broke up the album they can break up the billion stations I dont watch but have to pay for. This way the money goes straight to the network and bypasses the aweful service providers.
I can see most predictions on here (some I like) being able to just use the current AppleTV.
I like the idea of FREE station Apps and you "purchase" shows per station/app.
This way I don't feel like I am buying into CNN which I don't watch, or the need to "pay" for jersey shore when I might only watch one show from that network maybe.
I can see the new Apple TV thing being controlled by iPhone/iPad/iPod touch. Scroll/select play something use AirPlay to watch movies/play games via Apple iDevices.
Probably even surf the web on it too, basically a big wall mounted computer monitor.
That said, all that could probably/easily be incorporated into a set box not a full-fledged TV. So why a whole TV if that is what he (Steve Jobs) meant or did he just mean a GREAT Apple TV with all the above, plugging right into the TV you currently have and no "need" for cable or dish or blurry/DVD, etc.
I like the idea of FREE station Apps and you "purchase" shows per station/app.
This way I don't feel like I am buying into CNN which I don't watch, or the need to "pay" for jersey shore when I might only watch one show from that network maybe.
I can see the new Apple TV thing being controlled by iPhone/iPad/iPod touch. Scroll/select play something use AirPlay to watch movies/play games via Apple iDevices.
Probably even surf the web on it too, basically a big wall mounted computer monitor.
That said, all that could probably/easily be incorporated into a set box not a full-fledged TV. So why a whole TV if that is what he (Steve Jobs) meant or did he just mean a GREAT Apple TV with all the above, plugging right into the TV you currently have and no "need" for cable or dish or blurry/DVD, etc.
Nothing makes me think they cannot deliver both products. That's why I never said they won't. I said I won't pay thousands of dollars for the device described by Munster.
yep, and it will bump Neilson out of a Job. this way the networks really know what shows are great because they are paid for...not by what a reviewer might say. too many good shows go down the drains.
I don't know what Apple plans to do with the HDTV market but lets examine just a few basic bits of information.
Recently
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/17/us-sharp-apple-factory-idUSTRE77G0GK20110817
1 Billion is a lot of money especially when Samsung and LG are still partners. There's more to this than just iPad screens.
http://www.macstories.net/news/apple-enters-agreement-to-license-rovis-technologies/
Apple licenses Rovi technology which does guide data. Still haven't seen the fuits of this yet.
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...-a-tagging-solution-for-iphone-tv-beyond.html
Apple's working on iCloud Tagging
The elements are there. Sync technology, Big DataCenter, media iniatives (iTunes, and iTunes Match)
Control technology with Bluetooth 4.0 now in the MBA, Mac mini and iPhone 4s.
Munster is speculating but sheesh the signs are all around for those that don't have their heads in the sand.
Recently
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/17/us-sharp-apple-factory-idUSTRE77G0GK20110817
1 Billion is a lot of money especially when Samsung and LG are still partners. There's more to this than just iPad screens.
http://www.macstories.net/news/apple-enters-agreement-to-license-rovis-technologies/
Apple licenses Rovi technology which does guide data. Still haven't seen the fuits of this yet.
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...-a-tagging-solution-for-iphone-tv-beyond.html
Apple's working on iCloud Tagging
The elements are there. Sync technology, Big DataCenter, media iniatives (iTunes, and iTunes Match)
Control technology with Bluetooth 4.0 now in the MBA, Mac mini and iPhone 4s.
Munster is speculating but sheesh the signs are all around for those that don't have their heads in the sand.
Twice the price? No way.
I understand charging a premium price for added value. The iPhone gives you an ipod, a smart phone, and iOS for a high price, but the value of all those components, to many people, is worth it.
My iPads were worth the money because of all the value. My TV just sits there. I don't want to talk to it. An app that can integrate volume control and the ability to control my other components is all I want. The article says we'll still need a cable box, and we'll still need/want a stereo receiver, so why am I going to pay twice the price for a TV that isn't adding that much value? Heck, if you have a decent TV and the Apple TV box, you're about 80% there already.
No, the days of Apple jacking up the price just because are over. They proved they could keep costs in check with the iPad, they can do the same with a TV.
They might have me by the short hairs with iTunes, but I can always buy a cup. Give me value for my money or I'll stick with Vizio!
I understand charging a premium price for added value. The iPhone gives you an ipod, a smart phone, and iOS for a high price, but the value of all those components, to many people, is worth it.
My iPads were worth the money because of all the value. My TV just sits there. I don't want to talk to it. An app that can integrate volume control and the ability to control my other components is all I want. The article says we'll still need a cable box, and we'll still need/want a stereo receiver, so why am I going to pay twice the price for a TV that isn't adding that much value? Heck, if you have a decent TV and the Apple TV box, you're about 80% there already.
No, the days of Apple jacking up the price just because are over. They proved they could keep costs in check with the iPad, they can do the same with a TV.
They might have me by the short hairs with iTunes, but I can always buy a cup. Give me value for my money or I'll stick with Vizio!
The Apple premium works very well for products that have an actual Apple benefit. Phones, computers and such.
It doesn't work for regular odd stuff that requires only basic functionality. I don't see Studio Displays everywhere (only on House), neither do I see Time Capsules and Apple WiFi routers in 10%+ of all homes.
TVs can be complicated to use if you are an enthusiast that needs to tweak color settings and use USB media players (typically less than 5% of the population). For everyone else, TVs are silly odd devices that can be operated with 5 buttons on the remote: on/off, volume up+down, channel up+down. And frankly, most people wouldn't want more than that even if you offered it to them on a silver platter, especially if you have to buy the platter.
That's fine. Early adopters always pay more to have the latest and greatest. I wouldn't have a problem paying $2000 for an Apple TV if it would make me as happy with my TV as my Mac does with my computer or my iPhone does with my phone. I'm willing to pay a premium if the product is that much better than anything else. UI and design quality and simplicity are high priorities for me, and I'm willing to pay extra to get it.
Eventually the price will come down to where its worth it for you too.
vizio, thats good stuff
what the heck is a vizio i keep reading about on here? some american brand?
Twice price.....
Seriously!
I remember buying my first 50" plasma for 7K. A pro version Panasonic. It still works beautifully and now they are 2K for the Pro HD version monitor.
Apple will do this correctly and at first it might not sell big but I bet that once people see how easy the interface will be and the style and quality, many will pay more. I would.
I can't stand the stupid complicated interfaces from Comcast, Netflix and the others. It should be simple like all Apples software. This is a game changer.
Nobody is going to give up their integrated systems, I have all Sony stuff and it all talks with the other Sony gear and I drive it with a single remote.
No way in hell are people who just plopped thousands down on a 3D HDTV going to just replace it with an AppleTV I don't care what they put in it.
This "Nobody Wants another set top box" is complete BS. Plenty of people bought an AppleTV and it brings something extra to the experience just like the rest of the STB's sitting on the shelf.
The AppleTV v2 or whatever it is, is not going to be a TV. That's just a waste of money when they can move to market faster with another STB.
No way in hell are people who just plopped thousands down on a 3D HDTV going to just replace it with an AppleTV I don't care what they put in it.
This "Nobody Wants another set top box" is complete BS. Plenty of people bought an AppleTV and it brings something extra to the experience just like the rest of the STB's sitting on the shelf.
The AppleTV v2 or whatever it is, is not going to be a TV. That's just a waste of money when they can move to market faster with another STB.
Apple already thought of that...you just have to set up Siri with a "safe word".
This is all the next version of Apple TV will do...but being apple it will 'work' better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul6Q4HW5VTw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul6Q4HW5VTw
vizio, thats good stuff
Have you read the reviews on some of their latest generation TV's? Picture quality is actually quite competitive with the big boys now.
Or.....
We all now just how much Apple loves to totally lock you into it's eco systems. So it's also not hard to visualise an APple TV with iCloud, iTunes and Apple TV services all locked in, no DVD or Blueray players, apps centre.
Apple will want you to buy the television and then ALL your content you use on it from them and only them. Including games and films. It's not hard to see this happening. They have the balls to ask you to pay twice the cost of everyone else's products and then ask you to pay them exclusively for everything you watch on it.
But we'll see, Apple TV has been a flop since day one, they have tried several times to rectify that but so far it's not a sales success (Compared to other devices on the market).
We all now just how much Apple loves to totally lock you into it's eco systems. So it's also not hard to visualise an APple TV with iCloud, iTunes and Apple TV services all locked in, no DVD or Blueray players, apps centre.
Apple will want you to buy the television and then ALL your content you use on it from them and only them. Including games and films. It's not hard to see this happening. They have the balls to ask you to pay twice the cost of everyone else's products and then ask you to pay them exclusively for everything you watch on it.
But we'll see, Apple TV has been a flop since day one, they have tried several times to rectify that but so far it's not a sales success (Compared to other devices on the market).
People keep TVs longer than computers. My $7000. 50" HD big screen still has a beautiful image and I bought in in 2005. Of course there are no six later generation at a cost of 2K This is a Pro Monitor. Apple will kick ass if they do it right. And you know they will.
Twice price.....
Seriously!
I sincerely doubt it, that sounds like irresponsible 'guessing' to me. The iPad is aggressively priced against the competition, as it the iPhone, as are the laptop computers (comparing similar equipment and cases). Even the AppleTV is priced to compete against the competition.
I expect the iTV to be aggressively priced, and will blow the competitors out of the water.
If the iTV is double the cost of competing products, it's going to have a tough time in the market. A quality 60" LED TV retails for around $4,000 and can be had for about $3,000 online. If this report is correct, an equivalent Apple TV would retail for $8,000. I am an Apple fanatic and wouldn't pay $8,000 for a 60" display.
When you get up into that price range, many, many more options open up for home theater. You start getting into mid-range projectors and super high-end displays like the new Elite LCDs.
The "Apple Tax" is fine when the difference is $1,000, but when you start getting into $2,000 and $3,000 price discrepancies, no matter the feature set, you're going to have a tough time selling it.
When you get up into that price range, many, many more options open up for home theater. You start getting into mid-range projectors and super high-end displays like the new Elite LCDs.
The "Apple Tax" is fine when the difference is $1,000, but when you start getting into $2,000 and $3,000 price discrepancies, no matter the feature set, you're going to have a tough time selling it.
Hopefully with Full Picture-in-Picture (Full PiP), which requires at least two Digital Terrestrial Television (DTTV or DTT) tuners inside the TV set. After image quality, that is the most important feature of a TV set for many people. Which manufacturers/models deliver that now?