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I have a better experience than what you are experiencing. Does that mean you are right or I am right?
Guess we are both right, your experience might be good, but that doesn't make the product any less of a dumpster fire for me! ;)

I’ve tried them all and prefer Apple Music. Just because you dislike something doesn’t mean everyone feels the same way.
Likewise, just because it works for you doesn't mean it magically stops being terrible for me and many other people ...
 
Hey Spotify where the F**** is the HiFi audio you said was coming soon 3+ years ago?


What will come first, the iPhone 20 or Spotify HiFi on the ios?
 
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Well, do that then.

I'm so tired of Spotify ignoring Apple (and their own) devices. They refuse to update the ancient Mac icon, they refuse to update the ancient Apple TV app even though they have great apps for other streaming devices, they bricked their own devices and of course they've ruined their own algorithm.

I've switched to Apple Music because their apps suck now and I'm sick of listening to the same songs again and again and again AND AGAIN. They ruin everything they touch and blame others.
Been a minute since we've tried Apple Music again, but this refusing to enable integrations with their API is a poor customer experience for me. I'd say try Sonos but they're doing a great job of pissing users off too.
 
It's strange to me that people adamantly defend Apple's position here. It prevents users from having an "it just works" experience if they dare to not use Apple services. Not a good look.
It's strange to me that anyone takes Spotify's pronouncements about Apple at face value. I mean, Apple literally is offering them an option and apparently Spotify doesn't want to do extra work to implement it.

It seems very reasonable to me that Apple has built a "new" API that they've been using for YEARS now, that they'd stop maintaining/depreciate the existing one, especially if Apple isn't using it anymore. But Spotify, who doesn't want to do extra work to implement the API that would give them the functionality they want, expects Apple to do extra work to prop up a competitor's preferred way of writing their App?
 
It's pretty wild that Apple tied this feature to their Homepod offerings. Does anyone actually buy those? I don't think I've ever heard anyone (offline) talk about them.

Sonos is also removing this functionality.

It's strange to me that people adamantly defend Apple's position here. It prevents users from having an "it just works" experience if they dare to not use Apple services. Not a good look.
It's strange that people adamantly blame apple, when it seems to be spotify is at least as culpable by not doing the necessary development work. Not a good look for Spotify.
 
I don't know man, one of the main reasons I don't want to use Spotify is because they don't offer AirPlay support natively, which iTunes has had since 2004, and iOS since 2010. Being able to play music to multiple rooms in my house has been a feature I've used for decades at this point. Spotify not wanting to use Apple's APIs on their devices sounds like a Spotify issue to me.
 
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It's strange to me that anyone takes Spotify's pronouncements about Apple at face value. I mean, Apple literally is offering them an option and apparently Spotify doesn't want to do extra work to implement it.

I mean, if the functionality was there before and was removed, they kind of have a point. Again, Sonos is making the same change. If it was just Spotify, sure, I could see them just wanting to whine.

Besides, why would Spotify put in extra effort when Apple wouldn't? They could add Spotify Connect to Homepod and we could all be happy campers. Sonos has it on their speakers. Instead, because both Apple and Spotify suffer from NIH issues, we're here debating in circles about which tech giant is actually the boogeyman.

It'd be nice if these kids could just play nice with each other. Heaven forbid we have a better user experience.
 
I mean, if the functionality was there before and was removed, they kind of have a point. Again, Sonos is making the same change. If it was just Spotify, sure, I could see them just wanting to whine.

Besides, why would Spotify put in extra effort when Apple wouldn't? They could add Spotify Connect to Homepod and we could all be happy campers. Sonos has it on their speakers. Instead, because both Apple and Spotify suffer from NIH issues, we're here debating in circles about which tech giant is actually the boogeyman.

It'd be nice if these kids could just play nice with each other. Heaven forbid we have a better user experience.
Spotify has promised its Hifi audio for years as "coming soon"... what is their excuse for never implementing such a feature despite them promising to do so...

Let us also not forget them killing off the "car thing" and only decided to provide refunds after the press read them the riot act
Coming soon to them= we have no plans to implement it.
 
I mean, if the functionality was there before and was removed, they kind of have a point.
How would you suggest Apple deprecate APIs based on old tech? This, more than anything, appears to be the issue. There is a current replacement available that the dev refuses to code for.
 
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Spotify has promised its Hifi audio for years as "coming soon"... what is their excuse for never implementing such a feature despite them promising to do so...

This isn't unique to Spotify though. The whole industry has a "coming soon" problem. Ask Tim what the timeline for Apple Intelligence's Personal Awareness looks like.

How would you suggest Apple deprecate APIs based on old tech? This, more than anything, appears to be the issue. There is a current replacement available that the dev refuses to code for.

If the new API is not a drop-in replacement, Spotify would need to invest more engineering resources to implement it. Tying this functionality to the Homepod API is an effort to force companies to extend support to it, which Spotify might not be interested in due to a low install base or some other reason.
 
Another thing Apple will end up walking back, in the EU at least.
"Apple actually offers an API for third-party music services to stream directly to HomePods, but for whatever reason Spotify has chosen not to implement it."

It's important to read the entire posting, otherwise you'd have the impression that Spotify isn't a lazy company that is just trying to have their cake and eat it too. Whats the EU gonna do? Force Apple to offer up the API Spotify refuses to use?
 
"Apple actually offers an API for third-party music services to stream directly to HomePods, but for whatever reason Spotify has chosen not to implement it."

It's important to read the entire posting, otherwise you'd have the impression that Spotify isn't a lazy company that is just trying to have their cake and eat it too. Whats the EU gonna do? Force Apple to offer up the API Spotify refuses to use?


They've experienced a catalogue of silly app rejections from Apple, i think it's understandable that they don't want to allocate engineering resource to something that will just lead to another.
 
I threw out / sent to recycling a vintage Panasonic sx 1280 because I couldn’t get it fixed. I loved that thing.

Maybe today in 2024 it’s easy to get parts for vintage stories but when I tried I couldn’t. YMMV.
I have working Sanyo 1978 music center :)
 
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They've experienced a catalogue of silly app rejections from Apple, i think it's understandable that they don't want to allocate engineering resource to something that will just lead to another.
Until they actually explain the technical reasons they don't want to do X or Y, the onus lies on the accuser. The fact that there is an API readily available and Spotify has not explained why they don't find it a suitable replacement says to me this is just another corporate temper tantrum.

At a deeper level, I suspect Apple's ratcheting up of privacy protections over the years means this replacement API likely ends one of Spotify's data collection options and that's why they're sticking to the deprecated one. Just a hunch.
 
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Don’t use your dominant market position in one market to disadvantage others competing against you in another market.

It’s not complicated, Apple.
Good thing they aren’t. Next time you should read the whole article first:


“Apple actually offers an API for third-party music services to stream directly to HomePods, but for whatever reason Spotify has chosen not to implement it.”

This is entirely Spotifys fault.
 
Spotify only has 55% of the EU market, so they're not exactly a monopolist, although I appreciate the sentiment. ;)

And Apple has less than 30% smartphone market share in Europe yet the EU says they are a monopolist, so at nearly double the market share Spotify definitely is.
 
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And Apple has less than 30% smartphone market share in Europe yet the EU says they are a monopolist, so at nearly double the market share Spotify definitely is.

I know you have read by now that it's not how it's calculated, and they are gatekeepers, not monopolists. It's calculated how many users the app store has.

You may not like, but that is the calculation. It's the same for Android.
 
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I know you have read by now that it's not how it's calculated. It's calculated by what percentage of app sales they have on the iPhone/iPad platform, which is 100%.

You may not like, but that is the calculation. It's the same for Android.
It’s not determined by market share but by number of EU users.
 
Companies don't need to cater to you if they make changes or discontinue a feature. They removed it for many reasons, it can be because the company wants you to stop using it, trolling you or the feature just doesn't fit in the ecosystem and created something new as a replacement. It's your responsibility to resolve this by using other API calls or their new solutions. So stop crying!
 
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