That doesn't make any sense when you consider that Amazon is a gatekeeper with far more competition than Spotify.
Where does Amazon host user-generated video content a la YouTube? This is news to me.
That doesn't make any sense when you consider that Amazon is a gatekeeper with far more competition than Spotify.
So companies invest money into R&R, develop technology so that they can give it away for free and make it open source ?
I never said anything about Amazon hosting video content. They qualify as an online intermediation service.Where does Amazon host user-generated video content a la YouTube? This is news to me.
Spotify can go make their own phone and create an echo system.Spotify has their own API (Spotify Connect) that works with a variety of products, and delivers other/different features than Apples. When a speaker manufacturer supports Spotify Connect, it is certified by Spotify, with no involvement from Apple. I can see why neither company wants to hand that control over to the other, for many reasons.
The fact is, it worked before, Apple made a change, and now it doesn’t work. Yes, this is Apple’s fault. They are trying to bully Spotify into using an Apple API, instead of the API that they have invested years and millions (billions?) of dollars in. It is not about Spotify not enabling a new feature that Apple provides. It is Apple removing a feature that worked before.
So companies invest money into R&R, develop technology so that they can give it away for free and make it open source ?
hardware manufacturers from Eu and China can copy that technology and create their own products without investing in R&D ?
is that the ask ?
I like the tight integration between software and deviceMad to me that some posters think it’s reasonable for device functionality such as this to be locked to Apple only devices and apps. I wanna be able to use my iPhone however I like with whatever apps and devices I choose.
I’ve bought into the Apple ecosystem for the past 15 years as I like the tight integration between software and device, and particularly how that carries across multiple products. I also like to be able to use third party apps if I choose to, and I expect these to have access to the full functionality of the devices I’ve paid for. There is absolutely no justification for Apple blocking device capabilities from third party apps whilst retaining them within thier own.
It doesn’t have to be this way. Apple should be focused on making the best software for their hardware, they certainly have the resources to do that and can attract top talent. Instead they seek to hobble the competition. Pure monopolistic behaviour.
After all these years I’m starting to see the appeal of Android, never thought I’d say that.
I like the tight integration between software and device
you like apple eco system because of tight integration.
but at the same time you want iPhone to work like android ?
you can't have it both ways.
"Our regulations don't hinder tech innovation, that's just something BIG TECH says to quash competition. For example, we are home to the most important music streaming company. What? Apply our latest tech regulation to Spotify? Even though they clearly meet the requirements? Don't be absurd. iPadOS clearly doesn't meet the requirements? Too bad, GATEKEEPER - it's too similar to iOS."EU wants at least one tech company to show to people that they are relevant.
This is exactly Spotify not willing to use the API's provided. Why don't they want to support AirPlay2? If you develop for iOS devices, like I do, then you would know that API's are always changing and new replacing the old. It's the only way to keep up with new technologies. You assume that Apple changes an API just to make Spotify having to change their code? In reality it looks more like Spotify is using it's dominance to try to make things inconvenient for iOS users.
Agree, how dare Apple update API.Troubling trend if Apple is resorting to these types if tactics.
it does."Our regulations don't hinder tech innovation, that's just something BIG TECH says to quash competition. For example, we are home to the most important music streaming company. What? Apply our latest tech regulation to Spotify? Even though they clearly meet the requirements? Don't be absurd. iPadOS clearly doesn't meet the requirements? Too bad, GATEKEEPER - it's too similar to iOS."
But sure, the DMA is a perfectly clear law about increasing competition and fairness in the European market.
So companies should invest in R&D, create something, make it open source ?Proprietary = dumb.
The proprietary smarthome thing is one of the reasons I completely bailed on smarthome tech, across the board. That and reliability is in the gutter.
iPhones market share is like 30% in EU ?Spotify only has 55% of the EU market, so they're not exactly a monopolist, although I appreciate the sentiment.![]()
So companies should invest in R&D, create something, make it open source ?
forcing Apotify to use apple's API is part of that tight integration.Sure you can. Keep a tight integration on the parts you want, and whatever else you want on the others.
I mix and match all day long, because I don't trust any particular tech company, Apple included.
Laws that say otherwise I guess.After a length of time, say 20 years like our patent system, then yes.
From my post above: I work in the pharmacy industry so I deal with some situations every day.. Drug companies spend millions, and sometimes billions to get a mediation on the market, then after 20 years, they lose the rights to it. What makes other companies so special that they should be exempt?
It's not. The DMA doesn't use the phrase monopoly and it doesn't care about monopolies. It's about gatekeepers, not monopoly.iPhones market share is like 30% in EU ?
so why is Apple a monopoly in EU ?
I never said anything about Amazon hosting video content. They qualify as an online intermediation service.
Spotify is better an crying and convincing people that it is the victim.It's strange that people adamantly blame apple, when it seems to be spotify is at least as culpable by not doing the necessary development work. Not a good look for Spotify.
Because Spotify is EU company.And yet, Spotify meets the metrics to qualify as a gatekeeper. They have more users than the iOS in the EU. They have more than 10K business users. Why aren't they forced to open up their platform? Why can they collect 25% of all revenue generated on their platform?
And somehow a competition law that doesn't consider competition makes sense to some people.It's not. The DMA doesn't use the phrase monopoly and it doesn't care about monopolies. It's about gatekeepers, not monopoly.
The DMA is based on total users, regardless of percentage of market. You can be 1% of the market, but if you have 45 million users, it applies.. You can be 100% of the market, but if you have 10 million users, it doesn't apply.
You seem to have forgotten your own point.You responded to my YouTube comment, hence my assumption.
I fail to see how Amazon being an intermediation service has anything to do with competition in the Music Streaming industry. Amazon also streams music, yes, but that is not the reason they are identified as an intermediation service gatekeeper.
edit: spelling is hard.
I think Apple and Airplay would gain a lot if we saw wider adoption. Maybe Apple could have even made it the industry standard for local audio and video streaming. Instead, we now have a many competing protocols, and none of them is really widely supported.So companies invest money into R&R, develop technology so that they can give it away for free and make it open source ?
hardware manufacturers from Eu and China can copy that technology and create their own products without investing in R&D ?
is that the ask ?
Heard that this whole crowd strike fiasco was caused by EU regulation
EU forced Microsoft to give kernel access to third parties.
Microsoft told EU that it was risky to give kernel access to third parties.
Which is why only PCs in the EU went into a boot loop. Oh wait 🤔.Heard that this whole crowd strike fiasco was caused by EU regulation
EU forced Microsoft to give kernel access to third parties.
Microsoft told EU that it was risky to give kernel access to third parties.
Having multiple standards is better for competition.I think Apple and Airplay would gain a lot if we saw wider adoption. Maybe Apple could have even made it the industry standard for local audio and video streaming. Instead, we now have a many competing protocols, and none of them is really widely supported.
Publishing standards for free is not so uncommon in the PC/MAC space. Think about Thunderbolt and how Intel made it free to use, so it gets wider adoption.