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Spotify has their own API (Spotify Connect) that works with a variety of products, and delivers other/different features than Apples. When a speaker manufacturer supports Spotify Connect, it is certified by Spotify, with no involvement from Apple. I can see why neither company wants to hand that control over to the other, for many reasons.

The fact is, it worked before, Apple made a change, and now it doesn’t work. Yes, this is Apple’s fault. They are trying to bully Spotify into using an Apple API, instead of the API that they have invested years and millions (billions?) of dollars in. It is not about Spotify not enabling a new feature that Apple provides. It is Apple removing a feature that worked before.
Spotify can go make their own phone and create an echo system.
i am tired of Spotify crying like a baby every week.
Companies have to update their software to make it better and secure.
Apple won't get approval from Spotify before updating their software.
One app out of 100,000 apps can't dictate how apple updates their OS.
 
So companies invest money into R&R, develop technology so that they can give it away for free and make it open source ?
hardware manufacturers from Eu and China can copy that technology and create their own products without investing in R&D ?
is that the ask ?

I think it should follow the patent length, 20 years, then it's open source. Hardware, software, all of it.

I work in the pharmacy industry so I deal with some situations every day.. Drug companies spend millions, and sometimes billions to get a mediation on the market, then after 20 years, they lose the rights to it. What makes other companies so special that they should be exempt?
 
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Mad to me that some posters think it’s reasonable for device functionality such as this to be locked to Apple only devices and apps. I wanna be able to use my iPhone however I like with whatever apps and devices I choose.

I’ve bought into the Apple ecosystem for the past 15 years as I like the tight integration between software and device, and particularly how that carries across multiple products. I also like to be able to use third party apps if I choose to, and I expect these to have access to the full functionality of the devices I’ve paid for. There is absolutely no justification for Apple blocking device capabilities from third party apps whilst retaining them within thier own.

It doesn’t have to be this way. Apple should be focused on making the best software for their hardware, they certainly have the resources to do that and can attract top talent. Instead they seek to hobble the competition. Pure monopolistic behaviour.

After all these years I’m starting to see the appeal of Android, never thought I’d say that.
I like the tight integration between software and device
you like apple eco system because of tight integration.
but at the same time you want iPhone to work like android ?
you can't have it both ways.
 
I like the tight integration between software and device
you like apple eco system because of tight integration.
but at the same time you want iPhone to work like android ?
you can't have it both ways.

Sure you can. Keep a tight integration on the parts you want, and whatever else you want on the others.

I mix and match all day long, because I don't trust any particular tech company, Apple included.
 
EU wants at least one tech company to show to people that they are relevant.
"Our regulations don't hinder tech innovation, that's just something BIG TECH says to quash competition. For example, we are home to the most important music streaming company. What? Apply our latest tech regulation to Spotify? Even though they clearly meet the requirements? Don't be absurd. iPadOS clearly doesn't meet the requirements? Too bad, GATEKEEPER - it's too similar to iOS."

But sure, the DMA is a perfectly clear law about increasing competition and fairness in the European market.
 
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This is exactly Spotify not willing to use the API's provided. Why don't they want to support AirPlay2? If you develop for iOS devices, like I do, then you would know that API's are always changing and new replacing the old. It's the only way to keep up with new technologies. You assume that Apple changes an API just to make Spotify having to change their code? In reality it looks more like Spotify is using it's dominance to try to make things inconvenient for iOS users.

Troubling trend if Apple is resorting to these types if tactics.
Agree, how dare Apple update API.
EU should force Apple to use Spotify API to wirelessly play music and force apple to pay Spotify to use their API. :)
and force Apple to make AirPlay and iOS open source so that other manufacturers use it for free and compete with Apple.
Apple has lot of money they can invest in R&D, other companies don't have money to invest in R&D so Apple should help their competitors.
 
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"Our regulations don't hinder tech innovation, that's just something BIG TECH says to quash competition. For example, we are home to the most important music streaming company. What? Apply our latest tech regulation to Spotify? Even though they clearly meet the requirements? Don't be absurd. iPadOS clearly doesn't meet the requirements? Too bad, GATEKEEPER - it's too similar to iOS."

But sure, the DMA is a perfectly clear law about increasing competition and fairness in the European market.
it does.
EU basically created a monopoly USB.
EU wanted micro USB to be the standard on all devices.
imagine using micro USB to charge mobile devices.
USB was sleeping till thunderbolt kicked UBS's ass.
USB was happy with 200 mbps speeds.
we would still be struct with USB if thunderbolt didn't come up with new technology.
 
So companies should invest in R&D, create something, make it open source ?

After a length of time, say 20 years like our patent system, then yes.

From my post above: I work in the pharmacy industry so I deal with some situations every day.. Drug companies spend millions, and sometimes billions to get a mediation on the market, then after 20 years, they lose the rights to it. What makes other companies so special that they should be exempt?
 
After a length of time, say 20 years like our patent system, then yes.

From my post above: I work in the pharmacy industry so I deal with some situations every day.. Drug companies spend millions, and sometimes billions to get a mediation on the market, then after 20 years, they lose the rights to it. What makes other companies so special that they should be exempt?
Laws that say otherwise I guess.
 
iPhones market share is like 30% in EU ?
so why is Apple a monopoly in EU ?
It's not. The DMA doesn't use the phrase monopoly and it doesn't care about monopolies. It's about gatekeepers, not monopoly.

The DMA is based on total users, regardless of percentage of market. You can be 1% of the market, but if you have 45 million users, it applies.. You can be 100% of the market, but if you have 10 million users, it doesn't apply.
 
I never said anything about Amazon hosting video content. They qualify as an online intermediation service.

You responded to my YouTube comment, hence my assumption.

I fail to see how Amazon being an intermediation service has anything to do with competition in the Music Streaming industry. Amazon also streams music, yes, but that is not the reason they are identified as an intermediation service gatekeeper.

edit: spelling is hard.
 
It's strange that people adamantly blame apple, when it seems to be spotify is at least as culpable by not doing the necessary development work. Not a good look for Spotify.
Spotify is better an crying and convincing people that it is the victim.
 
And yet, Spotify meets the metrics to qualify as a gatekeeper. They have more users than the iOS in the EU. They have more than 10K business users. Why aren't they forced to open up their platform? Why can they collect 25% of all revenue generated on their platform?
Because Spotify is EU company.
they don't have any other tech company in EU other than Spotify.
EU is just making money off of US tech companies.
 
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It's not. The DMA doesn't use the phrase monopoly and it doesn't care about monopolies. It's about gatekeepers, not monopoly.

The DMA is based on total users, regardless of percentage of market. You can be 1% of the market, but if you have 45 million users, it applies.. You can be 100% of the market, but if you have 10 million users, it doesn't apply.
And somehow a competition law that doesn't consider competition makes sense to some people. :)
 
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You responded to my YouTube comment, hence my assumption.

I fail to see how Amazon being an intermediation service has anything to do with competition in the Music Streaming industry. Amazon also streams music, yes, but that is not the reason they are identified as an intermediation service gatekeeper.

edit: spelling is hard.
You seem to have forgotten your own point. :) You said that music didn't qualify and video did because there wasn't as much competition in the video market.

However, I pointed out that Amazon qualified despite being in a more competitive market than Spotify.
 
So companies invest money into R&R, develop technology so that they can give it away for free and make it open source ?
hardware manufacturers from Eu and China can copy that technology and create their own products without investing in R&D ?
is that the ask ?
I think Apple and Airplay would gain a lot if we saw wider adoption. Maybe Apple could have even made it the industry standard for local audio and video streaming. Instead, we now have a many competing protocols, and none of them is really widely supported.

Publishing standards for free is not so uncommon in the PC/MAC space. Think about Thunderbolt and how Intel made it free to use, so it gets wider adoption.
 
Heard that this whole crowd strike fiasco was caused by EU regulation
EU forced Microsoft to give kernel access to third parties.
Microsoft told EU that it was risky to give kernel access to third parties.

Yes and no.

The issue is that Microsoft is not only an Operating System vendor but also a vendor of software security products. The EU stated that Microsoft cannot use their significant market power in the OS market to give an unfair advantage to their other products, so Microsoft has to give third-party software security products the same access to OS features it gives to its own.

Note that the EU does not specify any particular type of access, only that Microsoft has to provide the same level of access they provide to their own product, no more, no less.

IMHO the decision of the EU is correct, as the alternative would lead to any third-party software security product to have inferior capabilities by design compared to Microsoft's which is obviously an anti-trust issue.

Microsoft could remove kernel access from their own security products: that way, they would not be required to provide it to third-parties. Microsoft is blaming the EU instead because they likely want to have the cake and also eat it: have kernel access for their products but preventing third-parties from also having it, basically crippling any third-party.
 
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Heard that this whole crowd strike fiasco was caused by EU regulation
EU forced Microsoft to give kernel access to third parties.
Microsoft told EU that it was risky to give kernel access to third parties.
Which is why only PCs in the EU went into a boot loop. Oh wait 🤔.
 
I think Apple and Airplay would gain a lot if we saw wider adoption. Maybe Apple could have even made it the industry standard for local audio and video streaming. Instead, we now have a many competing protocols, and none of them is really widely supported.

Publishing standards for free is not so uncommon in the PC/MAC space. Think about Thunderbolt and how Intel made it free to use, so it gets wider adoption.
Having multiple standards is better for competition.
 
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