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Good thing they aren’t. Next time you should read the whole article first:


“Apple actually offers an API for third-party music services to stream directly to HomePods, but for whatever reason Spotify has chosen not to implement it.”

This is entirely Spotifys fault.

I might be misunderstanding something, but from what I understand Spotify does not want to have to integrate with HomePods, they want to be able to control third-party devices directly. Apple seems to only want to offer integration through HomePods.
 
I know you have read by now that it's not how it's calculated, and they are gatekeepers, not monopolists. It's calculated how many users the app store has.

You may not like, but that is the calculation. It's the same for Android.
And yet, Spotify meets the metrics to qualify as a gatekeeper. They have more users than the iOS in the EU. They have more than 10K business users. Why aren't they forced to open up their platform? Why can they collect 25% of all revenue generated on their platform?
 
And yet, Spotify meets the metrics to qualify as a gatekeeper. They have more users than the iOS in the EU. They have more than 10K business users. Why aren't they forced to open up their platform? Why can they collect 25% of all revenue generated on their platform?

You'll have to ask the EU, I don't know, but I think Spotify is as guilty as Apple, and Apple is as guilty as Spotify. They should both have their feet held to the fire.

There is no EU regulation on how much Apple can collect on their platform. They are more than welcome to continue to collect 30%, as they currently do, but developers get a choice on the iPhone/iPad.
 
I might be misunderstanding something, but from what I understand Spotify does not want to have to integrate with HomePods, they want to be able to control third-party devices directly. Apple seems to only want to offer integration through HomePods.
The way it reads to me is that the same API to integrate with HomePods is used to integrate with other hardware. I don't think a HomePod is required. Anybody know differently?
 
And yet, Spotify meets the metrics to qualify as a gatekeeper. They have more users than the Appl Store in the EU. They have more than 10K business users. Why aren't they forced to open up their platform? Why can they collect 25% of all revenue generated on their platform?

Spotify does not provide any of the defined "core services" that are necessary to qualify as "gatekeeper", so any other metrics are irrelevant.
 
Spotify does not provide any of the defined "core services" that are necessary to qualify as "gatekeeper", so any other metrics are irrelevant.
I believe I read the EU are considering adding music streaming services to the core services list.
 
then maybe Spotify should build their own device/platform.

oh? what's that? you don't want to invest billions into R&D like Apple did? then play by Apple's rules.
They tried, they failed

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Spotify does not provide any one of the defined "core services" that are necessary to qualify as "gatekeeper", so any other metrics are irrelevant.
Maybe? That was my point. The arbitrariness of the DMAs definition of gatekeeper. How is Spotify not a "online intermediation service"?

(2) ‘online intermediation services’ means services which meet all of the following requirements:

(a) they constitute information society services within the meaning of point (b) of Article 1(1) of Directive (EU) 2015/1535 of the European Parliament and of the Council (12);
(b) they allow business users to offer goods or services to consumers, with a view to facilitating the initiating of direct transactions between those business users and consumers, irrespective of where those transactions are ultimately concluded;
(c) they are provided to business users on the basis of contractual relationships between the provider of those services and business users which offer goods or services to consumers;
 
Spotify has about 172 million active users in the EU, but the EU does not currently regulate ‘music streaming services’.

I'm sure there's an entirely above-board reason the EU decided not to regulate music streaming services. It's not like they regulate video services like YouTube as gatekeepers. Oh wait.
 
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Until they actually explain the technical reasons they don't want to do X or Y, the onus lies on the accuser. The fact that there is an API readily available and Spotify has not explained why they don't find it a suitable replacement says to me this is just another corporate temper tantrum.

At a deeper level, I suspect Apple's ratcheting up of privacy protections over the years means this replacement API likely ends one of Spotify's data collection options and that's why they're sticking to the deprecated one.


It doesn’t at all.

Neither Apple or Spotify are judge and jury here.

As for Apple and privacy. All a bit hollow if they are willing to throw your money into OpenAI
 
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The way it reads to me is that the same API to integrate with HomePods is used to integrate with other hardware. I don't think a HomePod is required. Anybody know differently?
The API is just AirPlay 2. The issue is that Spotify uses an entirely different model for playback. AirPlay routes the audio stream via your phone's audio stack to the device over the local network. It's just another "speaker" for your phone, like headphones or something over Bluetooth. On the other hand, Spotify prefers that the end device connect directly to its servers, and your phone sends instructions to Spotify's servers to control playback remotely.

Apple doesn't really support using the phone's hardware volume buttons for anything other than controlling the volume of the phone's audio stack. Reading a single press to trigger a camera shutter-type action works reasonably reliably. Whatever Spotify was doing previously to use them for its own purposes has become unreliable.
 
I'm sure there's an entirely above-board reason the EU decided not to regulate music streaming services. It's not like they regulate video services like YouTube as gatekeepers. Oh wait.

Probably because there's legitimately no competitor in YouTube's space. Plenty of places to stream music, vanishingly few to stream user generated video in a not-social-media context.
 
Spotify says users on iPhone will no longer be able to control the volume of connected devices using their physical volume buttons after Apple "discontinued" the technology that enables the functionality. The change impacts Spotify Connect, a feature that allows users to control Spotify playback on various devices like speakers, game consoles, and smart TVs.

"We've made requests to Apple to introduce a similar solution to what they offer users on HomePod and Apple TV for app developers who control non-Apple media devices," Spotify said in its update. "Apple has told us that they require apps to integrate into HomePod in order to access the technology that controls volume on iPhones."

Apple actually offers an API for third-party music services to stream directly to HomePods, but for whatever reason Spotify has chosen not to implement it. Fortunately, iPhone users running iOS 17 can still start an AirPlay session on HomePod using a Siri command (e.g. "Siri, play Fleetwood Mac on Spotify"). It's worth noting that this change only affects Spotify Connect on iOS. Spotify users controlling volume via Bluetooth or AirPlay will not be impacted.
Sounds like Apple trying to sell HomePods, but there are still a lot of countries where the HomePod wasn't even officially released.
Of course you can buy one when visiting another country, but your language will not be supported, you will have to use english.
This is a software solution that shouldn't require a HomePod. Why Apple discontinued the technology, other than to sell more HomePods?
 
This isn't unique to Spotify though. The whole industry has a "coming soon" problem. Ask Tim what the timeline for Apple Intelligence's Personal Awareness looks like.



If the new API is not a drop-in replacement, Spotify would need to invest more engineering resources to implement it. Tying this functionality to the Homepod API is an effort to force companies to extend support to it, which Spotify might not be interested in due to a low install base or some other reason.
That is entirely Spotify’s decision. And it’s a business decision.

Their failure to choose to extend this support is neither Apple’s fault nor its problem.
 
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Sounds like Apple trying to sell HomePods, but there are still a lot of countries where the HomePod wasn't even officially released.
Of course you can buy one when visiting another country, but your language will not be supported, you will have to use english.
This is a software solution that shouldn't require a HomePod. Why Apple discontinued the technology, other than to sell more HomePods?
According to this post, it has nothing to do with HomePods. It's just Airplay 2.
 
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Reasonable. But only if Apple makes Air Play an open standard. Until then, it remains a niche protocol that is not very well-supported on third-party hardware like TVs and smart speakers.
So companies invest money into R&R, develop technology so that they can give it away for free and make it open source ?
hardware manufacturers from Eu and China can copy that technology and create their own products without investing in R&D ?
is that the ask ?
 
Probably because there's legitimately no competitor in YouTube's space. Plenty of places to stream music, vanishingly few to stream user generated video in a not-social-media context.
That doesn't make any sense when you consider that Amazon is a gatekeeper with far more competition than Spotify.
 
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