What are you talking about regards bandwidth and free advertising? Spotify has never directly or specifically requested it. Others have assumed it wrongly on their behalf or the media has wrongly assumed as such.
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Spotify Complains That Apple Hasn't Approved Update With Subscription Pricing and Links in EU
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Tidal's biggest advantage over Apple Music is superior sound quality, especially in its HiFi Plus tiers. It offers true lossless CD-quality audio up to 9216 kbps, delivering uncompressed audio identical to the original recording.
Tidal offer the very best streaming experience.
Doh! I literally presented how censorship hurts people and free speech and yet you say that.
Again it's funny to tell me what I need and what hurts me or not. Maybe keep thinking for yourself?
Maybe don't talk in behalf of EU citizens? EU regulation does not affect you at all - so don't worry about OUR mandates and laws. Don't speak for EU citizens please. Clean air and water is important for us too, but it does not mean strong market competition and free speech is something which may stay behind just because we choose the clean air and clean water.
And again you're continuing to prove my point. DMA solves something which is not important for you but it is important for other people and it's a thing in a place you're not citizen of - why you're bothered? Why you hating on it? Just ignore it. It does not affect you.
Ah but you said customers wanted the very best quality music service & tidal offer that.
Because you're telling me what hurts me and what should I need or not. Look at that reflection!
Anyway nice, how you conveniently keep ignoring my points.
All included with that $99 price point
Unfortunately that’s just how the big ball bounces
Hmmm .. that’s a lot of machination. Why is it so hard to admit the simple fact that the iPhone was essential to Spotify‘s development and success?
You are telling me I am not allow to have an opinion differs from yours, which is hysterical, seeing how you continuously are whining about freedom. I have no problem with your opinion however, but I have the right to disagree with it, and I have a right to defend my opinion.
I haven’t seen their code - and neither have you. So let’s say my guess that Apple’s trying to find something wrong with it is as good as yours (that they’re doing their “due diligence”).
Still, the fact seems to be that it takes Apple unusually long (also in comparison to other apps). And some text and link for the Spotify app (as they claim they added) is not “high risk“ content that should require much “due diligence” or take that long.
But you did not react to my points at all.
Your sudden failure to discuss seems rather hysterical. Do you have any arguments to my factual points or did you stop the discussion on "you are telling me I am not allow to have an opinion". What's really not what I said.
Since you present that as a fact, I ask you to source your claim according to the forum rules. Thank you in advance.
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EU boosters celebrating their regulations is fun to watch.
Thankfully, the *actual market* (not the imaginary one in their heads) will decide.
Alt App Stores = fail. Nobody wants this besides a tiny group.
99% of the population won’t bother — it’s hard enough to get a download from the frictionless App Store. Imagine telling them they have to install a different store, provide more private info, a credit card, etc before they can even TRY to download your app 😂
So in the end, the EU has forced Apple to add in a bunch of complexity to iOS to benefit a couple of large companies. Whether they will actually benefit is an open question.
I hope you enjoy the buggier experience, because any time something like this is bolted on, it’s bound to suck. Not because Apple is breaking it on purpose, but because iOS wasn’t engineered this way. Things will likely break in weird ways.
As for all the “competition” and “freedom” arguments — I guess??
Yes, dude can now get his vape app, and porn apps can be a thing, so freedom!
Not convinced on the competition aspect — who is suddenly going to be super innovative and competitive with…Apple?… because of these rules?
Thankfully, the *actual market* (not the imaginary one in their heads) will decide.
Alt App Stores = fail. Nobody wants this besides a tiny group.
99% of the population won’t bother — it’s hard enough to get a download from the frictionless App Store. Imagine telling them they have to install a different store, provide more private info, a credit card, etc before they can even TRY to download your app 😂
So in the end, the EU has forced Apple to add in a bunch of complexity to iOS to benefit a couple of large companies. Whether they will actually benefit is an open question.
I hope you enjoy the buggier experience, because any time something like this is bolted on, it’s bound to suck. Not because Apple is breaking it on purpose, but because iOS wasn’t engineered this way. Things will likely break in weird ways.
As for all the “competition” and “freedom” arguments — I guess??
Yes, dude can now get his vape app, and porn apps can be a thing, so freedom!
Not convinced on the competition aspect — who is suddenly going to be super innovative and competitive with…Apple?… because of these rules?
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While true, it's also true that any sophisticated smartphone would've made for a suitable platform as well. Regardless, in the EU at least, that doesn't mean Apple gets to make whatever rules it wants for competitors to follow.
Hopefully not good. It would be better if Spotify received an email from Apple stating something like "well, we were about to approve your app update. But since you complained publicly, you will be sent to the back of the queue. Have a nice day."
Yes, that would be perfect starting point for massive EU fines for the discrimination. I hopes Apple does this obvious misstep.
But it does impact me. Apple has to spend engineering resources that could be better spent elsewhere supporting additional app stores, dealing with inevitable edge cases and bugs, etc. Those resources would be better spent making new features and improving existing ones, rather than supporting some idiotic bureaucrat’s belief that they can make Apple “open” like android while not impacting the safety and security of the platform.
And who is to say that apps I rely on don’t decide to only be listed in an alternate App Store? Say my bank or medical provider wants to use a feature Apple doesn’t allow. It’s not that far-fetched. Remember current-c? The retailers didn’t want to support Apple Pay. Thank god Apple closed down the NFC chip or else we’d need to use a different payment app at every store.
At this point, don’t be surprised if Apple is petty enough to raise prices in the EU. Tim Cook does not allow lower profit margin on anything.
Are you talking about Tim Cook costing Apple massive amount of $490M
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I get you, that impacts everyone indeed.
Fun to watch how it's hard to swallow for US naysayers that EU slammed Apple hard.
Always a good time.
99% of population won't bother yet completely unaffected US users are out of their minds on this. Very funny and pleasing to watch.
Seriously, do we think those engineering resources to comply cost Apple more or less than half a billion dollars? I'm betting less. Way less.Are you talking about Tim Cook costing Apple massive amount of $490M
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I get you, that impacts everyone indeed.
As you said: thankfully the actual market will decide.
No problem then.
Apple can relax, comply with the law and be bloody DONE! with it.
And so can you!
No need for Apple to be petulant, bully others and play all those little games - and deny the Spotify app approval.
And no need for us to have these discussion.
Apple can just silently comply, stop whining and stop spreading FUD.
After all, the market says nobody wants that anyway, so why make a big fuss about it, for Christ’s sake!?
👉 I’ll tell you why: cause deep down Apple know that your claim of “nobody wanting” competition may be wrong. 😄
And they don’t to compete and provide a better and/or competitively priced product, when they can seek free rent instead,
👉 Wrong. Apple “bolted on” sideloading (otherwise called: normal installation of apps) more than a decade ago. At least.
Apps have been able to include text and links since forever.
Apps have been able to make in-app transactions without Apple in-app too (Uber or any travel booking app).
And people have been able to install apps downloaded from a website (and unreviewed by Apple) for years.
Apple “bolted on” sideloading (elsewhere called: normal installation of apps) more than a decade ago. At least.
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You mean that one browser choice screen, removal of artificial constrains for webkit and checkbox which allows the App Store app to be alt app store type? Yeah, that's a really expensive change indeed.
Nobody is “out of their minds” 😉
It’s more of a point and laugh situation, watching “EU boosters” getting fat eating the flesh of their dead tech sector 🧟
We don’t want you to come for our brains as well!