Spotify Complains That Apple Hasn't Approved Update With Subscription Pricing and Links in EU

[1129846]

Hmmm .. that’s a lot of machination. Why is it so hard to admit the simple fact that the iPhone was essential to Spotify‘s development and success?

Because it was not.
For your argument to work then are you saying we would still only be on flip phones today?

The key to spotify taking off was a phone both powerful enough and an mobile internet connection fast enough to support streaming music. The entire industry was heading that way well before the iPhone entered the picture. At most the iPhone spead up the process by a year or 2. None of which that would of affect Spotify as by the time Spotify entered the picture we would of long been pass the point of the requirements.

It takes some massive blinders to think the iPhone was the key. No iPhone we would of had android and windows mobile both which at this point would easily be able to handle the requirements.

Basically saying if it was not the iPhone it would of been one of the others. iPhone itself had a very limited if any real part to play as it could of just been replaced by who was dominate if the iPhone never existed that being android, Windows Phone or Blackberry.

 

[3530025]

Nobody is “out of their minds” 😉

It’s more of a point and laugh situation, watching “EU boosters” getting fat eating the flesh of their dead tech sector 🧟

We don’t want you to come for our brains as well!

Don't worry, your brains are already done!

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[heretiq]

Since you present that as a fact, I ask you to source your claim according to the forum rules. Thank you in advance.

Per your request (emphasis added for your convenience):

The streaming service launched on October 7, 2008 and the company initially limited the sign-up for free services by making it invite-only. Paid-for subscriptions were made available immediately but despite this, Spotify reported a $4.4 million loss in 2008.

The option of signing up for a free account wasn't made generally available to the public in the UK until 2009. That's also when Spotify launched on the Apple App Store and continued to grow as it provided an alternative to both legal and illegal downloading of music.

Source: https://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/history-spotify-how-swedish-streaming-12291542

 

[GroovyCatticus]

👉 I’ll tell you why: cause deep down Apple know that your claim of “nobody wanting” competition may be wrong. 😄

Again, what is this “competition” that will be unlocked by the EU rules?

Who is now competing with Apple?

The same big companies who were *already not using in app purchase* will make…a little more money.

Epic will sell your kids V-Bucks in their own store.

Where is the new “competition” and “innovation” coming from?

I don’t see a tangible connection between what the EU rules claim to do vs reality.

Edit:
Oh, and I said “nobody wants” alt App Stores. Apps are very well able to compete on the App Store and they do!

 

[AppliedMicro]

Again, what is this “competition” that will be unlocked by the EU rules?

Who is now competing with Apple?

Let’s wait for the Epic Games Store and SetApp and we’ll see, shall we?

Also, let’s wait for other application stores and their pricing.
All I know is that I have bought apps for lower prices than on Apple’s App Store (on macOS) many times.

same big companies who were *already not using in app purchase* will make…a little more money.

Great. Which they can spend on improving their product/make it more competitive, reducing prices or not increasing them as much as they would have to otherwise.

It’s up to developers. I’d rather put that into the hands of them.
At least some of the hundreds or thousands of developers will not fully absorb it as profit.

 

[3530025]

Per your request (emphasis added for your convenience):

Source: https://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/history-spotify-how-swedish-streaming-12291542

Uh, using Daily Mirror as the truthful source? Really? Tabloid and gossip newspaper as the credible source?

Anyway it does not imply Apple App Stores was essential for Spotify's success does it?

It's the free account which was essential which is pretty clear from the context.

There you have more complete and unbiased store https://www.cascade.app/studies/how-spotify-became-the-standard which clearly states it's the free accounts which boosted the Spotify's success. Not App Store at all.

 

[GroovyCatticus]

Don't worry, your brains are already done!

American IQ Scores Have Rapidly Dropped, Proving the 'Reverse Flynn Effect'

Are we really getting less intelligent? Here's the truth.

www.popularmechanics.com

You can’t trust that — it’s an American website! 😂

BTW — how does your dead tech sector taste?

 

[3530025]

BTW — how does your dead tech sector taste?

I don't, we're busy kicking US companies' ass off - they nicely agree to our terms just not to lose yummy EU market.

 

[GroovyCatticus]

At least some of the hundreds or thousands of developers will not fully absorb it as profit.

We shall see, indeed. But if the whole point of getting off the App Store was to avoid Apple’s take, then I’m pretty sure those devs will want to keep that $.

Feel free to…

 

[GroovyCatticus]

I don't, we're busy kicking US companies' ass off - they nicely agree to our terms just not to lose yummy EU market.

I see, so instead of ACTUALLY competing, you’re cheering for the referees 👍🏼

 

[heretiq]

Because it was not.
For your argument to work then are you saying we would still only be on flip phones today?

The key to spotify taking off was a phone both powerful enough and an mobile internet connection fast enough to support streaming music. The entire industry was heading that way well before the iPhone entered the picture. At most the iPhone spead up the process by a year or 2. None of which that would of affect Spotify as by the time Spotify entered the picture we would of long been pass the point of the requirements.

It takes some massive blinders to think the iPhone was the key. No iPhone we would of had android and windows mobile both which at this point would easily be able to handle the requirements.

Basically saying if it was not the iPhone it would of been one of the others. iPhone itself had a very limited if any real part to play as it could of just been replaced by who was dominate if the iPhone never existed that being android, Windows Phone or Blackberry.

Lots of machination on what could have happened, but we need to look at what did happen:

1. Spotify lost money in 2008.
2. Spotify launched on the iPhone AppStore in 2009 which helped them grow.
3. Windows Mobile was available and dying and provided no help.
4. Spotify Android launched in 2012.

Net-net: It is not unreasonable to conclude or accept that Spotify’s early growth would not have occurred without the iPhone — which your statement quoted below seems to acknowledge.

The key to spotify taking off was a phone both powerful enough and an mobile internet connection fast enough to support streaming music. The entire industry was heading that way well before the iPhone entered the picture. At most the iPhone spead up the process by a year or 2.

When a startup is burning cash and losing money, 1 or 2 years of growth acceleration is a lifeline. It’s clear that the iPhone was one (of perhaps many) such lifelines.

 

[3530025]

I see, so instead of ACTUALLY competing, you’re cheering for the referees 👍🏼

Not really we just enjoy having foreign submissives listening to us and doing as we please.

 

[spazzcat]

Let’s wait for the Epic Games Store and SetApp and we’ll see, shall we?

Also, let’s wait for other application stores and their pricing.
All I know is that I have bought apps for lower prices than on Apple’s App Store (on macOS) many times.

...

Just because XYZ App Store has lower commission doesn't mean I am going to be head or have lower cost now I have to do more work as a developer to get people to my app.

 

[mcnallym]

Typical BS from someone that sees Apple as some sort of God. The fact is, without apps, the iPhone would be a useless piece of crap rusting in the landfills. It's because of apps that the iPhone still exists. Apple should be bending over backwards to make developers happy. Why Apple should get a dime from Spotify when they do nothing is beyond me.

Right so if developers don’t like the terms and conditions then don’t develop on iPhone.

if the apps are no longer there then iPhone sales will tank and apple will offer better terms. If users buy your app on android then the dev still win as still make a sale and presumably with better margin then on iOS.

expecting a response about small developers don’t have the power - in which case your app isn’t a driver for iPhone growth
users would just use another app - in which case surely there is competition within the App Store as there are alternatives to your app
requires all developers to withdraw - in which case those developers that don’t feel need to withdraw can’t be that unhappy.
would require group action and is that legal. - whilst there are rules and regs around companies colluding to fix prices ie ebook publishing case then there is no law that says apple can compel developers to develop on their platforms if devs choose to withdraw their apps.

 

[GroovyCatticus]

Not really we just enjoy having foreign submissives listening to us and doing as we please.

Kinky!

It really is all just a power trip 😂

 

[mcnallym]

Just because XYZ App Store has lower commission doesn't mean I am going to be head or have lower cost now I have to do more work as a developer to get people to my app.

So you mean will have to do more work to get the same level of money?

sounds to me like a ”going to charge the same on App Store XYZ”

in which case

a). As a consumer I pay the same price, so what is the point to me, surely the point here is that the consumer benefits from the lower price afforded to them from the competition in the different app stores.
b). As a developer you make the same money as do now. So going to have to MORE work for the SAME money. Why would anyone do that?

in which case really what is benefit to anyone.

other then creates work for lawyers and beauracrats. The cost of which is passed onto tax payers or consumers.

 

[spazzcat]

So you mean will have to do more work to get the same level of money?

sounds to me like a ”going to charge the same on App Store XYZ”

in which case

a). As a consumer I pay the same price, so what is the point to me, surely the point here is that the consumer benefits from the lower price afforded to them from the competition in the different app stores.
b). As a developer you make the same money as do now. So going to have to MORE work for the SAME money. Why would anyone do that?

in which case really what is benefit to anyone.

other then creates work for lawyers and beauracrats. The cost of which is passed onto tax payers or consumers.

I will have to put more work in and pay more money to get people to the XYZ App Store. As a small to medium developer, Apple's 15% is pennies for what I get access to.

 

[mcnallym]

Again missing my point... that Iphone market share would be heavily fractured if the iPhone never existed

are you trying to say that people would have purchased other music streaming services or that the spotify purchaes would have just purchased Spotify on other platforms

and did Spotify make apps for those devices?

Well if they didn’t then that surely is a choice Spotify made, in which case why didn’t they.

 

[GroovyCatticus]

in which case really what is benefit to anyone.

It’s actually a detriment, as bolting on these options to iOS due to regulations is bound to introduce bugs.

Be careful what you ask for! 😉

 

[AppliedMicro]

It is not unreasonable to conclude or accept that Spotify’s early growth would not have occurred without the iPhone

Agree.

It is unreasonable though to conclude that it could not have occurred with the iPhone. They could have developed for Android earlier instead. Seems Spotify correctly identified the benefit to be on mobile platforms and chose to develop their app for the most commercially successful one early on?

You could say iOS was instrumental to their success - but not essential.

Just because XYZ App Store has lower commission doesn't mean I am going to be head or have lower cost now I have to do more work as a developer to get people to my app.

So you’ll probably to stay on Apple’s App Store?
No problem then. It’s not as if that would close or anything.

 

[GroovyCatticus]

On another thread I saw the argument that iOS *must* be open because smartphones have become such an integral part of everyday life.

What I never saw was an example of how the EU rules would make an improvement for consumers.

What vital function performed by this vital everyday device is now suddenly available to you based on these rules?

Games and music streaming are clearly not vital.

Just what is it?

 

[GroovyCatticus]

So you’ll probably to stay on Apple’s App Store?
No problem then. It’s not as if that would close or anything.

So what’s the point again?

Who is this helping?

We know it’s adding friction to getting an app installed so a few big companies might make more money.

If prices are the same, has the consumer won?

Edit:
The EU rules look like a case of doing a thing to “look strong” without really thinking through the result. A whole lot of wasted effort for…not much.

 

[vipergts2207]

So what’s the point again?

Who is this helping?

We know it’s adding friction to getting an app installed so a few big companies might make more money.

If prices are the same, has the consumer won?

Edit:
The EU rules look like a case of doing a thing to “look strong” without really thinking through the result. A whole lot of wasted effort for…not much.

Some apps will be cheaper. Some apps that aren’t allowed on the App Store will be available. Both of these are consumer wins.

 

[GroovyCatticus]

Some apps will be cheaper. Some apps that aren’t allowed on the App Store will be available. Both of these are consumer wins.

The “cheaper” is conjecture. If I need to handle features that were formerly provided by the App Store, or I just want to make more money, why would I sell my app or service for less?

Yes, the vape/porn apps might be available.

Like I said — a whole lot of effort for…not much 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[vipergts2207]

The “cheaper” is conjecture. If I need to handle features that were formerly provided by the App Store, or I just want to make more money, why would I sell my app or service for less?

Yes, the vape/porn apps might be available.

Like I said — a whole lot of effort for…not much 🤷🏻‍♂️

Perhaps the features previously handled by the App Store can be handled much more cheaply elsewhere.

Also, was your question about benefits for consumers in general or just yourself? It seemed to be about consumers in general, which I outlined. If it was instead about in what ways will you personally benefit, I don’t really know, nor do I care frankly.