I think you need to swap in "EU" for "Apple" in your above statement
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Spotify, Epic Games, and Others Argue Apple's App Store Changes Do Not Comply With DMA
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I think you need to swap in "EU" for "Apple" in your above statement
Quite the business minds around here....with suggestions of just "pulling out" of a 1/4 of total revenue
Yeah -- that'd be a brilliant move ... GO APPLE! lmao
How so? iOS isn't even the dominant platform. If you think Apple's terms are onerous, you can always develop for Android. Of course, there's no money to be made there...
This is how markets are supposed to work. If Apple charges developers too much, they leave for another platform, and Apple suffers, forcing them to change their rules. But that doesn't seem to be happening.
I'm all for the EU forcing everyone to standardize on USB-C over Lightning; USB-C has a great future, and Lightning was a poor-performance money-grab by Apple. But this is different: if you want to install apps using a third-party store, it's going to cost more. I can't even imagine the support headaches and cost Apple will have to endure to support third-party stores.
Isn't every developer paying for it by paying Apple an annual developer fee though?
The developer fee includes "all the tools, resources, and support you need to develop and distribute apps, including access to beta software, app services, testing tools, app analytics, and more."
Paying the developer membership fee *and* getting chargd a Core Tech Fee means Apple is double billing developers.
It’s already survived regulatory scrutiny. People are assuming this was put in place WITHOUT engaging with regulators up front. What Apple’s done complies with DMA. There’s just a lot of folks that don’t understand DMA. (Or doesn’t understand DMA as well as Apple does)
You seem to think that you are entitled to a user base and the digital foot traffic provided by Apple.
Developers need to make their apps better on android and windows over apple etc or even harsher. Make the new features timed android exclusive.....Apple will soon bend over when they realise they arent the first choice. Simple warfare like Epic is doing. The market needs more balls like Epic Games.
The market is not working, and that's why the EU is stepping in. There are only two relevant operating systems left. The terms are mostly the same on both of them. You would be suprised how similar the rules are in both App Stores. Developers have zero leverage over either Apple or Google.
Big publishers could get together and boycott Apple and Google for a while to put preassure on them. But guess what, that would also be illegal under competition rules.
Microsoft makes a phone? 🤣
Do you know what sets iOS apart from those other platforms? It's the thriving and profitable third-party consumer app store marketplace that they offer. Despite what some people on forums might think, the success of the App Store is BECAUSE of Apple's quality control and distribution model, both of which supports customers to easily discovering, downloading, installing, and paying for verified third-party apps.
Experiment: Write down the steps to find, install, and pay for a third-party app on macOS (not on the Mac App Store) or Windows. Now write down the steps to do the same on iOS.
Developers want to change iOS app distribution without analyzing why the marketplace model was so distributive and profitable for Apple ands developers, who have received 70% - 85% of the marketplace profits.
Apple has some of the best lawyers in the world combing over every inch of the wording of the DMA. I can almost guarantee what they're doing complies with the letter of the law as written.
Companies are really complaining about getting tons of free dev work from apple? If you're going to use Apple's frameworks and API's to make your product work in a must more cost-efficient way than building from scratch, you should pay the piper. I've developed multiple apps, and am happy to pay my share to apple (tho I wish it was lower) because I KNOW it would have cost me 10x to build it from scratch.
You, of course, have repeatedly misrepresented that quote from Apple. Membership does include those things, but membership requires the fee AND agreement to terms.
Could you imagine if all of the major developers (Epic, MS, Spotify, whomever else) started charging a 50¢/year Apple platform surcharge, complete with separate billing cycle and email notification? Apple would lose their mind. I'd pay (50¢ * a few apps) to see that!
Yes but you could say the same about glibc, Microsoft's C# and thousands of other libraries, and countless other development environments, languages, and operating systems.
Apple already requires developers to buy a Mac. Microsoft (used to?) charge for Visual Studio.
You're making two different points here. Most people acknowledge that Apple is due some sort of compensation. The problem is the onerous terms they've chosen.
So funny seeing mostly American users cheerleading for apple, so strange because apple doesn’t care about any of us.
”pull out of the EU” 🤣
yeah sure, pull out of your 2nd biggest market where they don’t use iMessage or bow to peer pressure over bubbles.
smart, that’ll show them.
This is bullying by apple, plain and simple, it’s 90s Microsoft and it won’t stand.
Apple have no designers left, no car, no modems, failed headset, no microLED, failing in china now, no AI.
They use to lead and everyone followed, now they’re clinging on while the world moves on.
”pull out of the EU” 🤣
yeah sure, pull out of your 2nd biggest market where they don’t use iMessage or bow to peer pressure over bubbles.
smart, that’ll show them.
This is bullying by apple, plain and simple, it’s 90s Microsoft and it won’t stand.
Apple have no designers left, no car, no modems, failed headset, no microLED, failing in china now, no AI.
They use to lead and everyone followed, now they’re clinging on while the world moves on.
Except. Apple dealt with everything. Apple advisors to deal with customer complaints. Refunds and managing all the charges and setup cost in the countries they were in. I find it annoying that no EU companies seem to be copping this scrutiny. Spotify alone should be taken to task for their practices. Epic games is a whole other story. Fact is Epic and Spotify were happy to sign up to Apples store when it suited the. Then they go greedier and did not want to pay for the privilege anymore.
They maybe onerous terms. But Epic and Spotify have not been civil about the whole process. Why would you play nice with companies who just like to waste money dragging you through the legal system and abusing you via social media. Let’s be clear non of it is about the customer.
Regarding this: "The way the European Commission responds to Apple's proposal 'will serve as a litmus test of the DMA and whether it can deliver for Europe's citizens and economy.'"
KEEP IN MIND: Not a single one of the signatories of the letter gives two ****s about the DMA benefiting EU citizens. They only care about the DMA benefiting themselves–the billion-dollar companies.
These companies that are complaining want more access to your data, your payment methods, your analytics, your location history, your everything. They want all this valuable data that Apple currently keeps from them through App Store and iOS privacy and security safeguards.
This is why the companies are up in arms about Apple's implementation of the DMA. They didn't get the unfettered access they wanted to your data.
KEEP IN MIND: Not a single one of the signatories of the letter gives two ****s about the DMA benefiting EU citizens. They only care about the DMA benefiting themselves–the billion-dollar companies.
These companies that are complaining want more access to your data, your payment methods, your analytics, your location history, your everything. They want all this valuable data that Apple currently keeps from them through App Store and iOS privacy and security safeguards.
This is why the companies are up in arms about Apple's implementation of the DMA. They didn't get the unfettered access they wanted to your data.
When did i say they made a phone? Microsoft makes Windows Tablets (Apple makes a tablet/ipad with an app store no? 🤣) with apps like Microsoft office, one drive, copilot, link to windows, Xbox cloud gaming, most of which are essential to a massive amount of people in the Apple ecosystem.
Xcode is free. The developer fee is quite low (and per org, not even per seat, unlike MS) and serves mostly as a barrier to keep the store from being overwhelmed with junk apps. If you publish a free app, then you only pay that nominal fee. I would also point out that companies like Epic and Unity also charge fees to developers. They use different fee structures, but you still need to pay if you make money using their tools. Apple's commissions are inline with the rest of the industry.
For all the Apple detractors, how should they be permitted to monetize? Or should they be forced to sell data like Meta and Google and give away everything for "free"?
It's those terms that companies and developers are asking the European Commission to look into to determine if they're fair or not.
What's the problem? If they're fair, then Apple has nothing to worry about. If they're not fair, then Apple will have to comply with the terms of the DMA/European Commission. If Apple doesn't like the terms, then they can leave the EU market in the same way MR members tell unhappy iOS users to leave for Android, right?
Windows Phone was actually quite good. Unfortunately MS made some serious missteps. Also, unlike Apple, MS did not go and kiss the ring at Google, so there were no native apps for Google services, unlike iPhone, which launched with Google Maps and YouTube apps.