Nice deflection. My point was simply that you are misrepresenting the quote. And have done so in many posts.
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Spotify, Epic Games, and Others Argue Apple's App Store Changes Do Not Comply With DMA
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People who say “if you don’t like how apple rips of people, just buy Android” would’ve been the same who before the French Revolution argued with “if you can’t afford bread just eat brioche”
The EU will say “no fee” is acceptable.
Apple must provide access at ZERO cost.
That is what the whiners want
Do these companies expect Apple to be giving away their goods for free? iOS is *not* open-source technology.
Which exists mostly because app developers are willing to develop apps for the platform. Again let's flip it around: Apple thinks they're entitled to the talent of hunderds of thousand developers worldwide to enhance their platform. And for that entitlement they charge very heavily.
So, you want Apple to do adopt the same strategies and openness as the companies that you clearly state are "last century" and not as successful in their hardware/software model... in essence, you want Apple to go the same route so their platform dies away? Weird. Isn't there a saying that states "the insane keeps repeating the same behaviors expecting different results..."
I think that a company has the right to conserve profitability in their products and services as they see fit without external parties obliging it to adapt to their interests. Remember that iPhones and iOS are not a commodity that flows from the ground that Apple somehow has a government concession to exploit. I've said it before, but it's worrisome that European governments are meddling with the private sector in that way.
As a contractor, if I'm the best fire protection systems integrator in Europe, and because my competition wants more money but do not offer better quality and/or advantages to what I offer, I would really be pissed off if they pushed regulators to make me share my resources like stock materials, equipments, tools, personnel and clients with them, and make me pay more taxes while we are at it. The situation is so ridiculous.
Apple is doing the correct thing: drag the issue until it's no longer an issue. They have the money to do so. Too many resources and european people work and depend on that Apple branch, that they can't just close it down and give them the middle finger.
It's a good question and I don't have the perfect answer for it. Some ideas would be to charge for some services they provide for free right now related to storage and maps APIs. Maybe come up with fair pricing for app distribution (content delivery). Make the commission for in-app-payments more attractive and competitive.
Huh? You just listed other platforms that PROVE that consumers and developers have plenty of options to choose from. Why is Apple's very carefully-crafted platform, which has proven to provide a safe and reliable experience for users, now the wrong approach, simply because it's not as open as other platforms?
I agree it's long overdue for Apple to _reduce_ App Store fees, given the sheer volume. If they had done that from the start, would these complainers have stopped? Would the likes of Spotify and Netflix kept allowing payments if the commission was only 5%?
A large amount of MacOS and iOS are built on open source software Apple didn’t have to pay for
They’re the same people who say “if you don’t like it leave” when someone wants to improve America
Entitlement is the pervading theme from them. They think Apple owes them something and they want regulators to give it to them.
Generally, it is easy to discern who on this website makes their living from development. The whining is unreal.
Can't get what you want? Sue, sue, sue and demand regulators make the big bad wolf give you what you want.
You can either install alternative app stores or sideload. The app needs to be distributed by a trusted party however and all updates need to be notarised.
For example; a company can make a website and say "download our app here". But it won't give full control to the user.
Full control was never promised or intended by the regulation either.
What’s insane to me is spending billions developing a platform only to be told you have to open it up so everyone else can play equally.
Hate to break it to you but those 3rd party devs contributed nearly nothing to those frameworks as I oversaw beta development with third party OEMs at NeXT and later in professional services collaborating with Engineering proper we never had contributors from the outside just wish lists of ideas that most were already on internal to do lists.
Not defending Apple, but the EU is just a shakedown organization for themselves.
It's always been about money, not just with Spotify & Epic but Apple as well. I mean hell they're businesses and last I checked all businesses want to make as much money as they can.
That's not what I meant. It's the apps that make or break the platform, not the frameworks. The frameworks are just a tool, built in such a way that developers can leverage them to create apps. It's a cycle - and Apple needs the developers as much as the developers need Apple. But Apple being a complete God and treating their developers this way can't be the correct way forward. Because once developers leave the platform for whatever reason, Apple is going to notice it really fast.
Do you think the provision that the only way to do non App Store distribution is via external marketplaces that need to have $1,000,000 in the bank in order to do so makes sense? Those two are the only ones I have any issues with personally. Drop the fees and allow distribution of .ipa files. Hide a toggle in settings, scare screens, fine, I think it's silly but OK, as long as those two provisions are dropped it seems like an acceptable plan.
That's part of the problem, Apple have decided that the only way to do external distribution is to go through another 3rd party, rather than just distribute an .ipa yourself...
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Hear, hear.
No actual developers are claiming Apple hasn't built a nice bit of tooling. I personally don't think it matters that much, their product (the iPhone/iPad/Apple Watch/etc) sells because there's a billion different apps users can install and expand the products functionality with. Yeah that exists because Apple put in the work, but if Apple hadn't done that then the apps would have been worse and their product wouldn't have sold as well. Apple creating a good toolkit/SDK/whatever has benefitted them as much as it has the developers of apps using it, there are tons of users on here who refuse to see it that way unfortunately.