The result of their sugar daddy (UK) running for the hills and the costs of their union shooting up… gotta claw back the money somewhere
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Spotify Lauds $2 Billion EU Fine, Says Apple Has 'Muzzled' Streaming Music Services
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The result of their sugar daddy (UK) running for the hills and the costs of their union shooting up… gotta claw back the money somewhere
In my opinion it is clear to me the negativity from many members towards the EU over this issue is nothing more than them disliking the fact that Apple has been caught out doing wrong and is now paying the price for it because as consumers I can virtually guarantee you that if we purchased something at a high price but then found out it could have been obtained cheaper but the place we bought the item from said they were not allowed to inform their customers of cheaper options, us consumers would cause hell.
Buying a new car is a very good example. You walk into a dealership, see a car you like, purchase it, get home and enjoy your new purchase, then a couple of days later whilst talking to family/friends about the car, someone mentions that you could have got $5,000 saving due to an offer going on and thus did the dealership tell you of the offer. You reply no. Annoyed at not being told about the offer, you go back to the dealership to confront them why was the offer not put to you and the car salesman says 'sorry, we were not allowed to offer you the deal due to agreements we have with car suppliers'. Are you just going to stand there and accept it? of course not, you are going to complain.
That example is no different to what Apple has done to Spotify.
Buying a new car is a very good example. You walk into a dealership, see a car you like, purchase it, get home and enjoy your new purchase, then a couple of days later whilst talking to family/friends about the car, someone mentions that you could have got $5,000 saving due to an offer going on and thus did the dealership tell you of the offer. You reply no. Annoyed at not being told about the offer, you go back to the dealership to confront them why was the offer not put to you and the car salesman says 'sorry, we were not allowed to offer you the deal due to agreements we have with car suppliers'. Are you just going to stand there and accept it? of course not, you are going to complain.
That example is no different to what Apple has done to Spotify.
It doesn't matter if it seems arbitrary. It is the law. It has been put to vote and passed overwhelmingly.
I respectfully reiterate that you should read the attachment. You will be able to judge who really is the "scum" better. The EU has already come to a conclusion, it seems, as to who really is the scum.
Maybe you are not reading the post. Apple prohibits Spotify from running such ads, which is exactly the contention.
Apple prohibits them from doing just that.
The European Commission charged Apple last year with preventing Swedish streaming service Spotify and others from informing users of payment options outside its App Store, following a 2019 complaint by Spotify.
Artists make more money from Spotify, by a considerable amount. I don't like a lot of things about Spotify and what it has done to the music industry, but at least be honest with yourself.
If that ever happened, that would be the day ALL of my Macs would be reformatted and have Linux installed.
It would be the death of Apple. Which is why they know better than to ever attempt it.
No, what we all need is for the app store to die, and software to be installed normally on iPhones, iPads, and Apple Watches as well as on Macs.
Spotify = Tencent = China
Epic = Tencent = China
China is trying everything to harm Apple. That's why they also ban government employees from using iPhones.
Epic = Tencent = China
China is trying everything to harm Apple. That's why they also ban government employees from using iPhones.
But unfortunately Apple Music is an unusable service for people who listen to music other than rap or hip hop. At least if those users listen primarily to European old music like myself.
I would gladly use Apple Music otherwise. I tried many times. But it’s unbearable.
As much as I know this money has no direct effect. Just pay your artists fairly, Spotify.
Happy to tear a strip off another company, but can't even do its own business with some parity.
Happy to tear a strip off another company, but can't even do its own business with some parity.
News Flash. There are ads when you use the Ad Supported plan of Spotify,
Oh, you mean they can't advertise their own prices on the advertising platform apple are hosting them for free.
Here is a question. Do you believe Apple should be hosting and supporting app developers, who are making millions if not billions for free? Or are you of the camp who believe those billionaire companies are so restricted that they are bound to use iOS because they are not capable of developing an alternative method within a browser.
Not to the tune of $250m, though. Anyway, yes, weird and highly questionable move on Apple's part. Rogan is not the sort of individual Apple should be associating with.
Getting back on topic, Apple will appeal this EU decision, of course, and rightly so. The fine will be substantially reduced.
Apple generates more free cash flow every quarter than they know what to do with.
To all the experts here, what’s Spotify’s game plan for finally being profitable? They squandered all their funding on an ill-fated pivot into podcasting and advertising, they don’t pay google anything and most iOS users subscribe via the website.
Music streaming as a business model is just not financially viable (with or without interference by Apple). It’s just a matter of time before Spotify ends up being acquired. They are living on borrowed time, and they know it.
If Apple doesn't want to be charged those costs, they should allow to sideload Apps no? That's why Google isn't in any trouble with Android ATM, they can do whatever they want with Google Play, because people can always sideload the app directly from the brand website. Spotify and others are forced to upload their Apps to the iPhone if they want to support the ecosystem.
Also, let's also not forget Apple needs App developers like Spotify as much as they need them, and to protect their money cow, they pretty much killed any chance of the VisionOS becoming successful. There's already a huge hole of native apps for their VisionOS due to how they've been acting with AppStore: no Netflix, no Spotify, etc...
I have no idea as to the viability of their business. But your original point about debt raising of less than 5% of their market cap didn’t seem very relevant.
Spotify reported a very decent fourth quarter last year, so I don't understand what you mean. Apple its just trying to squeeze any resemblance of profit from iOS and this dumb strategy it's already hurting them on many sides of their business.
Putting aside Love and Hate, every musician I know (myself included) utilise Spotify and and praise its usability.
They are not so keen on the streaming model adopted by ALL streaming platforms (Apple included), and wish they could get more money for the music they produce, but they also understand that the world has changed and there is no going back.
Hi tuthsteve,
Any sign of Apple coughing up that 13 billion euros in tax or they still trying to freeload?