Which services does Apple provide to Spotify? None? I am not even sure Spotify wants to use the App Store but Apple insists they do.
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Spotify Lauds $2 Billion EU Fine, Says Apple Has 'Muzzled' Streaming Music Services
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Hey, ad supporting (which is fine) is just another way for Scumify to make the 💰scales even heavier in their favour in addition to the higher fees and less money being given to artists.
I would rather pay a subscription for Apple Music without the ad tracking thank you.
Do I note a hint of sarcasm? Unfortunately what we're seeing in the comment section is a proxy war where by posters are using Apple as a poxy to engage in xenophobia so I wouldn't waste my time engaging with people who are more concerned with being 'ra ra USA!'. Regarding the issue at hand, it is ridiculous that vendors are disallowed from putting a message in their app "you will need to login through the website to manage payments and/or setup a new account" - btw, I have no dog in this fight, I don't use Spotify with the only music service I do have (but never use) is YouTube Premium (which comes with YouTube Music) which I bought through the YouTube website.
That’s blatantly incorrect. Spotify do not have to use the Apple Store.
European protectionism... This is embarassingly transparent. The EU regulates a foreign company, and fines it $2B for providing free services to a European company. The App Store stuff was bad, and the USB-C stuff was silly, but this is craven.
The EU has lost my respect.
The EU has lost my respect.
Dude, US government imposed way more fines on European companies than vice versa. Moreover, US impose a lot of extraterritorial sanctions essentially telling the companies in, say, country A what business they can and can't do with companies in country B.
I switched back to Spotify after 4 years of Apple Music. There are a few things that are dealbreakers for me (the proper handoff between devices, the native LastFM integration, the suggestions and daily mixes) - however, I have very little faith that Spotify will continue to exist, in its current state in 10 years time.
Even with an IPO, it has failed to become consistently and steadily profitable. Their licensing fees are killing them and they don’t have any other revenue stream (unlike Block, Apple, or Amazon) to make up for the losses caused by the record companies charging them through the nose.
Spotify’s best plan forward is to get acquired at this point. But there are very few companies who need or want to pay Spotify’s current market valuation. They cannot move further upmarket, especially now that today Tidal has lowered the costs on their highest plan, nor is the ad revenue from their free tier enough to grow into something profitable.
They’re between a rock and tough space, but as someone who loves SaaS I will stay root for them and hope a Hail Mary appears.
Even with an IPO, it has failed to become consistently and steadily profitable. Their licensing fees are killing them and they don’t have any other revenue stream (unlike Block, Apple, or Amazon) to make up for the losses caused by the record companies charging them through the nose.
Spotify’s best plan forward is to get acquired at this point. But there are very few companies who need or want to pay Spotify’s current market valuation. They cannot move further upmarket, especially now that today Tidal has lowered the costs on their highest plan, nor is the ad revenue from their free tier enough to grow into something profitable.
They’re between a rock and tough space, but as someone who loves SaaS I will stay root for them and hope a Hail Mary appears.
Going straight in for the over the top hyperbole, I see...
So, one person is claiming xenophobia, and another is now claiming that putting limits on how a free service can be used is equivalent to selling guidance computers to North Korea...
It's really simple. If Apple wants to do business in EU, they have to follow EU laws. The same principle applies to EU companies doing business in US. Moreover, very often US fines EU companies for their business in third countries. For example, US fined French bank BNP $9B for their business with Sudan, Cuba and Iran.
they do on xbox. there goes your argument.
and before you try the "general purpose computing segment" - that's just an arbitrary line drawn with very little logic/reasoning to back that up.
"Muzzled streaming"
Isn't Spotify literally the -last- streamer to release hi-res streaming? Most likely because it cost more money to host/provide? If Spotify was the cutting edge with only Apple in the way OK. But Spotify is just desperately grasping at straws to be what it once was in the industry.
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Isn't Spotify literally the -last- streamer to release hi-res streaming? Most likely because it cost more money to host/provide? If Spotify was the cutting edge with only Apple in the way OK. But Spotify is just desperately grasping at straws to be what it once was in the industry.
Is Spotify HiFi finally on the way? Here's the latest on the overdue feature
Spotify's CEO has dropped more hints about a "higher-priced" tier with "better sound quality." But when is it coming?
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Congratulations for deliberately misrepresenting what I posted by deleting the context in which I used the word.
So what? That wasn’t what my post was about at all. I never suggested the U.S. get involved in this, and in fact I said very specifically it has nothing to do with them. Dude.
They are following the rules. Do you think they should just give away their rights and not challenge this? If this sticks, they will pay it.
Also, are Google getting fined for doing the exact same thing or is this just Apple?
Apple and "free service" should never be used in the same sentence. Also, US has no business interfering into the business between other countries.
They have promised it for 3 years and still not done it. So with Spotify.."Muzzled streaming"
Isn't Spotify literally the -last- streamer to release hi-res streaming? Most likely because it cost more money to stream? If Spotify was the cutting edge with only Apple in the way OK. But Spotify is just desperately grasping at straws to be what it once was in the industry.
Is Spotify HiFi finally on the way? Here's the latest on the overdue feature
Spotify's CEO has dropped more hints about a "higher-priced" tier with "better sound quality." But when is it coming?
Pay more to use their service
Pay less to artists
Get a lower quality of audio.
I can see why people support them.
when can we fine the EU for being utterly useless organization
When will you care for the artists Spotify steals from, currently, and from its inception?
It's not up to you or Apple to determine rule compliance. Get to grips with reality.
I'm not sure how the extra words around it somehow added nuance to the meaning of xenophobia...
What are you actually talking about? I've never said it was. Either you are quoting from the wrong person, or you are not reading what I wrote.
I see it more as protectionism rather than xenophobia. It’s no surprise that all the companies that fall under the DMA are all US tech giants. The EU can only regulate because their own business environment means they will never have the next Facebook or Apple (both for better and for worse).
The interesting thing is that the US actually holds all the cards, as evidenced by their ability to withhold key services and infrastructure to other countries by way of actions (like what happened with Russia). iOS, android, windows, macOS and virtually every social media platform are all US companies.
I don’t see the US government intervening in this regard (not least because they can’t even seem to get their act together at this juncture), but I do wonder about the feasibility of the US government using the threat of economic sanctions to steamroll over the DMA.
Oh well. Your move, Apple, your move.
You wrote: "They are following the rules" thus you determined that Apple was in compliance.
Apple, please remove Spotify from iOS, period!
I have determined nothing. In case you haven’t realised, I am not in the judiciary in the EU.
I said if Apple lose the appeal, they will pay the piper ( the EU protection Racket).
Way to stretch what I said into something I didn’t say. Don’t misquote me. If you don’t understand, ask, don’t assume because you are clearly not understanding this entire thread by the looks. Anyway. I’m not discussing this with you any further. I have no intention of being verballed.