I look forward to Spotify being forced to serve Apple Music’s files for them without Apple having to pay.
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Spotify Submits iOS App Update With Out-of-App Purchase Options
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For distribution of iOS apps, certainly.
Literally possible.
But expensive and time-consuming.
It's not like switching from Walmart to Target (or many of the other inane analogies to physical retail stores)
Wouldn't the 2021 ruling in the Epic trial have allowed for just that?
There wasn't any provision in it that required them to provide such "facilitation of sales" for free, was there?
But then Apple couldn't resist defying the ruling by making it completely non-viable for developers.
So they (Apple) got what just they deserved for tramping on antitrust laws and rulings.
Edit: I'll quote again:
"Apple does not have an absolute right to the intellectual property that it wields as a shield to competition without adequate justification of its value"
It's a balancing act between property rights (and the right to exploit them) and antitrust/competition concerns.
And now the pendulum has swung back in full force at Apple.
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I don’t disagree with you one iota here. Apple absolutely did this to themselves.
I can't say I am mad about this, because 30% was ridiculously high. Credit card fees are about 3% or so, so Apple could have easily made the commission 10-15% and nobody would have complained.
That being said, Spotify still sucks and I use Apple Music.
The best part though is that you can still use Apple Pay etc to complete the purchase, using Stripe etc.
That being said, Spotify still sucks and I use Apple Music.
The best part though is that you can still use Apple Pay etc to complete the purchase, using Stripe etc.
In which world does that idea make any sense commercially?
It’s more despicable the Apple was able to get away with this for so long
This entire comment could apply to Apple
Their platform, end of story. “It’s an all purpose device, it’s not a video game store, yada yada,” always the same rhetoric.
Or to eliminate the App Store tax and just sell their subscription at the same price as everywhere else. That’s how Epic started all this.
You are free to purchase music in a myriad of forms, both digitally and physically.
I agree. Spotify depends on everyone else as they have no product. The problem is Apple is just as greedy as Spotify and Epic, perhaps more so. The problem is GREED rules the world of business!
Do you actually own that music if purchased digitally? The subscription model is what people are addicted to at this point. It seems cheaper than paying for all one’s music, books and etc.
I said to my son today, who works in a pharmacy, prescriptions are a lifetime subscription model. Until the person dies they’re on that medication. Fortunately for all of us, we can dump any company we want other than the ones that save our lives. Apple doesn’t save my life - it may have an anticompetitive ecosystem that locks me in at every step, but with a little hassle I could be onto another platform.
Can’t wait to see technology improve our lives. Instead of make us more addicted to our devices.
Add what? They already charge the 30% to all the apps that requires purchases inside their app store. They already put down in writing via the trials that this is what it cost, it was their justification for charging 27% fee on purchases outside of the App Store.
If they increase the fee inside their App Store, it will only drive all developers to stop using Apple for payments and charge users via stripe outside of the App Store. Thus increasing the competition between Apple and other services, thus the whole point of all of this. Instead of developers being afraid of apple, they have a choice now to use other services.
Apple, here is your new price list
- $100 / year / developer: Up to 1M users per app installed on user devices
- After that: $1 / additional user / month
- Includes hosting, downloads, store placement, tools, libraries, user backups, iCloud DB, API access, app signing, security, ...
- If you use Apple Store for all payments related to non-physical purchases made by the users of your apps, per app fees are waived
- $100 / year / developer: Up to 1M users per app installed on user devices
- After that: $1 / additional user / month
- Includes hosting, downloads, store placement, tools, libraries, user backups, iCloud DB, API access, app signing, security, ...
- If you use Apple Store for all payments related to non-physical purchases made by the users of your apps, per app fees are waived
Yes
Were you not trying to come up with something competitive?
Apple will need to compete and offer attractive terms to win developer business.
That's nearly identical to Apple basically did with the core technology fee in EU; 50cent per app install after a million which is free.
EU just fined Apple $500m for breaking the DMA and will be investigating the core technology fee now.
They need something that is legal and blocks out of store business to protect their $26.65 billion / Q service business.
Yes.
Your comeback will be that Spotify doesn't host those music files.
Sure, but Apple doesn't host Spotify's music files either. And Apple doesn't allow consumers to load the Spotify App on their phones except through the App Store.
It's reasonable to charge some kind of fee for hosting the Spotify app on the App store. I don't think a 30% cut of monthly fees is reasonable, especially because Apple has a service that is a direct competitor.
Unfortunately for Patreon and Spotify I feel their victory would be short lived. The earning call makes it sound like they may have started the process of appealing this to SCOTUS since there is chance there may be criminal contempt proceeding upcoming. The appeals court may not tolerate any delays but Supreme Court might say otherwise.
This case might go ugly and I feel this decision makes the iOS Platform extremely unsafe long term.