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Spotify Submits iOS App Update With Out-of-App Purchase Options
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Take my hand, and dump Spotify for Apple Music. 🙂
Cute try, but not even close to being the same thing. Should Apple get a percentage of every purchase you make on the Amazon app or literally any app where someone buys something? A percentage of a deposit you make using your banking app? How are Amazon and Spotify (or any e-commerce app) different? Aren't they all using Apple's "platform", their "ecosystem"?
Spotify provides a service that uses Spotify servers that Spotify runs using media they license and pay for. Apple provides hardware, which they already get paid for and an operating system, which they license with the hardware. They force users to download apps (needed to use the hardware) from their App Store. One might conclude the high price of the hardware includes the use of the App Store. After that, Apple is done. They got paid for their part.
Maybe MS should get a percentage of every online purchase made on a Windows computer? It's ridiculous.
Well given Apple invested heavily in the tools to create apps for the AppStore and let people put apps there for free, including Spotify and Epic, and all users had to do is sign up on a webpage to pay them and then sign in to the app... greed doesnt seem to be as high for Apple.
Apple gained cred for having lots of high profile apps available.
But it's a two way street. App Devs gained a lot too with visibility in a user trusted store.
If you cant sign up outside an app are you really that tech challenged?
I dont think Epic or Spotify will suddenly gain lots more users steering payments outside AppStore.
Don't artists have a choice whether to put their music on Spotify or not? Is someone holding a gun to their head and forcing them to put their product on Spotify?
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That's a laugh RIOT!!! Apple doesn't "let" people put apps there, Apple FORCES people to put their apps there. No choice. It's part of the game Apple plays and y'all buy into poor little Apple isn't getting their fair share (despite selling overpriced hardware like that isn't enough?). Take the App Store out of the picture and does Apple still deserve 30% for doing nothing? If so then why doesn't Apple charge macOS developers when you buy something in their software?
That’s a laugh RIOT!!! No, they are NOT FORCED. A developer does not HAVE to develop for Apple devices. You seem to be ignoring that part. If they hate the rules that Apple puts forth so much…they are free to NOT develop an app for them 🤷♂️ Of course they’d be cutting off their nose to spite their face, because supposedly, despite being the minority of devices worldwide, Apple device owners spend more money on apps…but no, a developer is not FORCED. No one is saying they are required to develop for Apple devices!
So, in your world, if developers chose not to develop for Apple, how long do you think Apple would survive? I know I wouldn't buy an iPhone when I could only get apps from Apple's store and their store doesn't have any good apps! It's a symbiotic relationship -- they need each other. Developers are actually doing Apple a favor by writing software for the iPhone--it helps Apple sell iPhones. You seem to be ignoring THAT part!
But to the point I made which you twisted like a pretzel, Apple does indeed force developers to distribute their software for iPhones from the App Store versus developers distributing their own software. That's really the two choices.
I wonder if apple will approve the app update, or block it - on a basis completely unrelated to payments of course.
Maybe spotify didn't follow a particular style guide for button placement or something.
Maybe spotify didn't follow a particular style guide for button placement or something.
Software developers are free to develop their own hardware platforms, except they can’t, lol. Consumers think these battles are about helping the consumer. Wake up. It’s all about big companies fighting over profits.
Good for customers. But however might be easier and convenient to subscribe to an app using Apple's in app purchase system. Might be helpful in case of any issue or even when refunds are required.
Sure, they just can’t stop devs from offering payment outside of Apple’s system.
Nothing says they have to host a particular app, either.
Except the streaming services want easy access to Apple’s user base, nothing prevents them from simply only offering web based streaming services
Nothing in there prevents Apple from raising developer fees, charging for hosting, d/ls or anything else.
If by healing you mean causing developers to go bankrupt...then you nailed it.
I really don't like these companies that have a monopoly to keep doing stuff like this. It's time to ban that monopolistic Spotify group. I mean Apple. I mean Amazon. I mean the EU. I mean...yeah...all people under 55. Young people live in a whacky world!
I'm glad I'm old.
I'm glad I'm old.
Saying this while paying so bad to artists (music side) is wild.
Is it really fair that Apple now has to host apps for free? Building and running huge data centers costs a lot of money. I feel like this law went too far.
forces? geez. get a grip.
they are free to put their apps in the many Android stores.
but devs WANT their apps in the Apple one
some just dont like the rules. that have been there a decade and successfully worked...
we have the same argument every few months on here... sigh
you got your EU directive to allow alt apps stores.
show me how widely used and profitable they have turned out to be
anyone who wants freedom to load anything uses Android. that's the answer.
the rest of us are quite happy with a vetted and 99.9% safe walled garden.
and companies that dont want to pay Apple anything can do as they have for years: sign up outside the app and then sign in to the free app. It's not hard.
It's funny how many people here phrase that as a hypothetical—or like a gotcha. There are already services that cost more through the App than through the website. Twitch subscriptions are 25% cheaper on the website than in the app.