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I guess Apple could allow Spotify et al to host their own app if they’re worried about their costs, right?
As an app developer, I'd gladly host my own app if it meant not having to pay the developer fee and my users could sideload my app.

I give my app away for free on Windows, because I don't have BS app store fees there.
 
We're talking exabytes here across the store. That costs real money even with their CDN structure, discounts and peering.
That’s Apple’s problem, not Spotify’s. If Apple would like to relinquish its status as effectively the sole distributor of third-party iOS apps (outside the EU, etc.), or change its business model to better recoup the costs incurred by free apps, they are free to do so.
 
so developers publishing games on fortnite can have their own payment systems outside fortnite ?
so that they don't need to pay a cut to fortnite ?
 
I wonder how much it costs Apple to service the millions of copies of their app from the app store?

Perhaps they should offer Epic and Spotify etc to use their own CDN for distribution...
or may be developers publishing games in epic games should be able to collect payments from website instead of going through their app.
 
You did, before you first booted your device. Apple makes ~$500 profit on every base model Pro phone alone.
I think you mean revenue, not profit. Apple still has to pay for things that aren't just hardware costs. There are R&D, marketing, distribution, software, support, and warranty costs, etc. So, granted, the actual gross margin might be high, but net profit is certainly less than $500 per unit. But yea, your point is still valid. That markup goes to some of the overall package.
 
so developers publishing games on fortnite can have their own payment systems outside fortnite ?
so that they don't need to pay a cut to fortnite ?

This is a legal injection against Apple and only Apple, because Apple was sued and lost. They appealed to the Supreme Court and was denied.

If any company wants to sue the maker of Fortnite and try for the same remedy, they are free to do so. Never played Fortnite, nor know anyone that does, so no idea what the situation is like.
 
I would never leave the safety, reliability, security of the Walled Garden and have my various subscriptions and more importantly my financial information with a bunch of numerous 3rd parties. I’m under the strong belief that an overwhelming amount of people want the same thing that’s why we buy iPhones.
Nope, I buy iPhones because I like the hardware and UI and integration with other wearables etc. The way Apple managed the store was awful. If you don’t want your CC on other sites, pay for them using gift cards like everyone else does.
 
Nope, I buy iPhones because I like the hardware and UI and integration with other wearables etc. The way Apple managed the store was awful. If you don’t want your CC on other sites, pay for them using gift cards like everyone else does.

Agreed. The App Store has been a sh*t-show for some time now. It's full of casino-style kids games (Buy 100 Dingleberries! 🤩), IAP, scam apps and other nonsense. Additionally, Apple seems to have a hard time keeps straight-up fake and fraud apps off the store.

...and by a "hard time", I mean they don't care until they are publically called out.

I also buy Apple for the hardware. The software and business practices are dubious.
 
I wonder how much it costs Apple to service the millions of copies of their app from the app store?

Perhaps they should offer Epic and Spotify etc to use their own CDN for distribution...
Yes, obviously apple will do this. I’m surprised they haven’t enacted their back up plan.
 
I've subscribed to and paused or cancelled many subscription services -- newspapers (online and offline), cable TV, internet services, phone service, utilities, streaming services (audio and video), software, etc -- over decades. I've never had a problem with signing up or pausing/cancelling services. And this was all done not using Apple's payment system. Just a simple phone call or visiting the service providers web site was all it took.

Stop trying to make it seem as though doing so is this difficult task that requires jumping through a bunch of hoops.

You had to talk to someone on the phone? Gross!

To be fair there were some unscrupulous companies that made canceling subscriptions unnecessarily hard. Like you could signup online but you had to wait on hold to cancel. Then for some reason the cancelation phone numbers were harder to find and their call centers understaffed...FTC's Click-to-Cancel rule has largely flushed out the remaining issues with this. I think the better solution is having a rule for everyone than having to go through an intermediary just to keep something not complicated not complicated.
 
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Probably around the same amount it costs Apple to service the millions of copies of the Starbucks, Amazon, Walmart, Bank of America, et al apps since Apple gets no cut from those apps.

Spotify users had to subscribe through the Spotify web site before this. Apple got nothing then and Apple will continue to get nothing now. So what has this changed?
I'm just wondering who the hell is paying for the distribution costs?

I manage stuff like that. It's not free.
Why do you (and others) seem to only be concerned about Apple's cost to distribute the Spotify app, but not for all the other apps that I listed?
 
I would never leave the safety, reliability, security of the Walled Garden and have my various subscriptions and more importantly my financial information with a bunch of numerous 3rd parties. I’m under the strong belief that an overwhelming amount of people want the same thing that’s why we buy iPhones.
You do that every day with your utilities, cell phone provider, bank, mortgage provider, financial institution and any apps that support payment. Your CC number gets hacked, you tell your provider, they issue a new card and you get your money back.
 
Good for consumers as they might get slightly lower prices for in app subscriptions. However there can be issues if one is wanting to get a refund.
The thing is apple now faces a big decision. Do they put the apps for free in thr AppStore or do they open up the iPhone? I would think the latter it not an option and this will drive competition so apple will have to entice the developers to put their apps there.
 
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