You could just take control of your life in the traditional way: buy what you need and cut when you don’t. I can’t believe you need apple to do this for you. I can’t believe you wouldn’t know whether you’re spending money or not just because Apple now ‘let’ companies like Spotify offer external subs. I guess I just don’t understand any of your issue, as a responsible adult.
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Spotify Updates iPhone App With Out-of-App Payment Options in U.S.
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So those Spotify membership fees should start decreasing any day now 😜🤪
Anyhoo, I think completing an iOS subscription out of the Apple store is a rather poor experience…
Anyhoo, I think completing an iOS subscription out of the Apple store is a rather poor experience…
Will you post a screen shot of all the fake versions of your bank’s app; apps you saw by searching specifically for your bank’s name instead of just “bank”.
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Because it’s not about the 6 people wanting a button
It’s because going forward Apple will start to lose that big profit as more app makers will start to put a link in their apps to get people to pay that way instead
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Spotify app is around ~200 MB, so that's a cent per download. I think Spotfiy could swallow that "massive" cost.
The premise of your comment is flawed. Spotify doesn’t accept subscriptions through the App Store so this isn’t increasing their revenue by 27%.
For Spotify to experience a 27% jump in total revenue their entire userbase would have to be using iOS billing.
Also When Apple dodged billions in taxes in Europe for ten years did iPhones get cheaper? Nope.
I'm interested in data that proves most devs are unhappy as well. Anecdotal data is worthless in an argument for "most devs are unhappy".
Then I don't know why you're using "I get that you like Apple" as a way to accuse me of being biased.
The App Store has only decreased its cut since inception. That's, at a minimum, ok.
The true greed here is Tim Sweeney who thinks he deserves the 30% cut and should be allowed to run his own store freely where developers continue to use APIs developed by Apple and pay nothing to Apple.
EU doesn't know what they're doing. Us germans have the most ridiculous cookie popups which is even worse than what you see in USA (try running a vpn to Germany and visit websites. appalling).
I'm not here to celebrate Apple. I'm being objective.
Like I said, they've only decreased their cut since inception and have given developers more freedom since inception. They've also provided more free services like CloudKit/Apple Maps, decrease app store review time from weeks to just 24 hours, etc...
I'm not a fanboy if that's what you're accusing me of doing. Apple has plenty of faults. This isn't one.
There are plenty of Apple users who need Apple to do this for them.
You're quite literally advocating for less choice in phones. There will not be a phone where all in app digital subscriptions on the device can be managed in one location.
You have Android if you want freedom, you have iPhone if you want the cushy, meadow walled garden where Apple takes care of everything you want them to take care of.
Are you implying that devs can ignore iOS because Android = 71% globally?
If so you are ignoring the realities of running a business. In several developed markets, Apple has a much bigger than 29% of the market.
Services like Spotify, Match etc can't just ignore 57% of the US market for example.
Yea, I remember it....and I also remember everyone using the no-name knock-off chargers they got at the gas station because who cares?
So can I sell my stuff on eBay with a separate link for payment? Or maybe I can go to a bookstore and pay the author directly instead of the store. Or how about I can go to Walmart and buy Nike shoes but pay Nike directly instead of Walmart. This ruling makes no sense and is a slippery slope. If developers are not happy with the 30% than tough ****. I thought the US was a free market, not a place where government dictates how much you charge
No thanks I am not got to get re-directed out of the App Store to make a payment, and if they take away the ability to pay for the APP with the App Store or try to charge a premium then I'll find a replacement app.
As planned, Spotify has updated its iPhone app in the U.S. with out-of-app pricing and subscription options for its Premium plans. The latest version of the app is now available in the App Store, and the added pricing information is rolling out.
Spotify users in the U.S. can now view pricing information for its Individual, Duo, Family, and Student plans directly in the iPhone app, and there are buttons that lead to Spotify's website, where users can complete the payment process.
For many years, Spotify has not allowed users to subscribe to Premium plans directly in its iPhone app, as the company does not want to pay Apple's 30% commission on in-app purchases. That remains the case as of today, but Spotify is now permitted to show buttons and links pertaining to out-of-app payment options, without any limitations.
Spotify shared the following statement today:This monumental change comes after a U.S. judge ordered Apple to immediately allow apps to show this sort of information, as part of a lawsuit filed by Fortnite maker Epic Games. Apple is also no longer permitted to collect a 27% commission on those out-of-app purchases that are initiated through the App Store. Apple has complied with the order, but the company said it disagrees with the decision and plans to appeal.
The judge enforced these requirements after finding Apple violated a 2021 injunction by imposing too many barriers on out-of-app payment options.
Many other popular iPhone apps will likely be updated with out-of-app subscription buttons and information in the U.S. over the coming days.
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Ok. Let’s just agree to disagree, I don’t think we will convince each other.
I grew up in the era of the web and philosophically believe that - huge - platforms should be open, especially when Apple is already making such huge profits on the hardware.
Conversely if they sold the iPhone at a huge loss I think getting a rev share from software on the App Store would be fair enough (aka the console model).
But one last thing - I just can’t buy the argument that you’re giving where Apple is still doing developers a huge favour by letting them use its APIs and developers want a ‘free ride’. I really find Apple’s attitude here completely distasteful.
On the Mac, as long as developers are part of the Apple developer program they can use the apis and get to use the notarisation service. It’s much the same on windows.
And even though Tim Sweeney comes across as a generally unpleasant person, why shouldn’t he get to keep more money ?
Again, delete all of the third party software off your iPhone and see how useful it feels.
I’m arguing that 3rd party developers add a lot of value to the iPhone but Apple still likes to give the impression that they’re doing 3rd parties a huge huge favour by developing apis and hosting and printing their software on the App Store (not that third parties have a choice about this).
I think that was true in the early years of the app store - Apple was giving a brand new market to devs. I don’t think it’s true now. This is a mature market and rules change in mature markets.
Again, we are not going to convince each other on any of this so let’s just agree to respectfully disagree.
If we don’t have other data, and anecdotal data favours one direction over the other - then that is far from worthless. We’re not in court. Anecdotal evidence is valuable for showing a trend, albeit basic and not particularly trustworthy legally. However, for this discussions purposes there is no evidence either way, but strong anecdotal evidence in only one direction.
iPhone have no choice. It’s Apple way or the highway. That’s not choice. Only Apple die hards consider that some kind of choice. People who don’t frequent tech forums (a vast majority of apples users) don’t care, or even know. They’re sure surprised though when they realise that they cannot do obvious things with their phone that their android owning mates do with ease.
assertion was "I think that developers develop for iOS now because of its size ". I'm saying Android dwarfs iOS in size. That's all.
ok. i'm just pointing out you said a lot of things improperly.
it doesn't actually. your anecdotal data could be putting you in the opposite direction of the truth.
Never said we are.
Go to yelp and search for reviews on McDonald's. You'll see plenty of 1-2 stars on each shop.
That must mean this anecdotal evidence puts you down the path of the idea that "MOST" customers are not having a great experience, right?
No. It's entirely possible customers who are happy with McDonald's aren't leaving reviews because the service and product they received meets their expectations, which makes them the silent majority. How is this silent majority supposed to pop up on your radar? It can't.
I mostly don't use my phone because banking on my phone sucks, compared to a computer. Small screen, no real keyboard, spreadsheet options suck, etc. Same goes for most productivity things.
It's just not convenient.
Bad analogy. Why? Because maccy d’s reviews are about customers that eat there, aka - you and I as apples customers. Show me the data about their suppliers and then we can compare. It doesn’t really matter, the fact of the matter is that apples model is on a downward spiral. Random internet posters opinions hold no weight against the courts. You may not agree. That’s fine. But it’s wouldn’t have come to this if there was no problem. In the early days, as another poster elegantly put, Apple and the AppStore was a boon for devs. But those rules no longer work, apples too big. You all think Apple remains the underdog. That’s very far from the truth. I like apples products. I like apple as a company. But throwing ones weight around rarely does any good, as they’re finding out.
You're not forced to do anything. There are plenty of people that do not upgrade their phones every year or even 2-3 years. Same for those on Android. I know them personally. They use it till it dies.
So it's incredibly false to state any of Apple's practices ensure you keep buying anything. People switch phones/platfoms when "THEY" want to. I've seen it in both directions. Nothing bad happened to any of them.
Merit will come down to what the end user (consumer) purchases. If something like this bothers you/anyone enough, it should not continue to be purchase. That's how it's supposed to work. Business moves to where the money is. They really don't have a choice.
And some how they are operating just fine BEFORE being allowed to sell directly through the app (or be redirected). So was this ever a real issue??????
People know how to use the internet. Netflix does this too. You had to sign up on their site. Not much complaining. No headline news stories of the horror.
Netflix have a pass. Netflix are allowed to release a free app with no sign ons needed. There is a ‘reader app’ clause which has been in place for years which Spotify is not privy to. I doubt that’s fair but there it is.
there is a thing called context of which you have quoted me out of.