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I'm still puzzled by the existence of "jobs" that can be performed while listening to Pandora or watching NBA games.

If you are complaining that a big company (Sprint) is somehow "ripping you off" by deceptively advertising unlimited data, how do you reconcile that with your accepting a paycheck in exchange for your physical - but not actual mental - presence in the workplace?

Watching, absolutely not, but for me, I do my best work when I put on my headphones, 'zone in', and focus on what I am doing. Believe it or not, listening to a stream of yoru favorite music is much less distracting than listening to office and cubical chatter. It also gives the implicit signal of 'do not inturrupt'.

I also stream Pandora when traveling in my car... a total of 4 hours... It ads up. I have Sprint and enjoy their service.
 
Booo! However I knew they would do this to us.:mad:

When you live in a society of people that expect to get something for nothing and overly greedy, you will always need to put controls in place.

There are those that think others should be obligated to support them and their needs (the 1%) and get everything they want, and those that think everyone should earn and pay for what they get.
 
This is no more corrupt than Apple. Apple is way more corrupt to its consumers and competition. Sorry buddy. No big deal.

I would say about 90% of corporations are corrupt and all about squeezing as much money as possible.... But at least Apple provides high quality and cool products in the process backed by great warranties and customer service... Some companies are corrupt while providing crappy products which they dont care about once they have your money.
 
And so it begins...everyone slammed AT&T, then Verizon did the same thing, eventually Sprint will go tiered, they are just trying to hook many folks with unlimted before lowering the hatchet.
 
Watching, absolutely not, but for me, I do my best work when I put on my headphones, 'zone in', and focus on what I am doing. Believe it or not, listening to a stream of yoru favorite music is much less distracting than listening to office and cubical chatter. It also gives the implicit signal of 'do not inturrupt'.

I also stream Pandora when traveling in my car... a total of 4 hours... It ads up. I have Sprint and enjoy their service.

Isn't that why Apple puts memory in their devices, so you can download what you want over WiFi for future listening or viewing? Heck, I've had Verizon's unlimited data plan for over 6 months, and have downloaded less than 400MB total on that plan over that time period. If you're able think and plan ahead, you don't need a large data plan.
 
Because they can. I personally know someone who streams video almost 24/7. A work colleague has Pandora streaming music the entire day while walking around with his iPhone and ear buds. Then there are the jailbreaker/tetherers who use their iPhone as a hot spot for everyone around them. They think it's cool. AT&T recently imposed data caps on their home DSL service of 150GB/month. People howled with rage in the forums. I have been keeping an eye on my usage for a while and rarely exceed 15GB/month or 1/10 of the cap. I consider myself a higher than average data consumer. Some people must saturate their connections 24/7/365. That's what "unlimited" means to some people. But just like the all-you-can-eat buffet restaurants like Bonanza or Golden Corral things should even out. Apparently the carriers don't think so.

So these people are like the equivalent of the morbidly obese at a buffet?
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The only time I went above 1GB in a month was when I moved and didn't have Internet hooked up. Mind you, my wife wasn't frigid back then, so I didn't use that much bandwidth... :eek:
 
Montanans Need Love, Too!

Well then, Sprint, how about you start supporting rural Montana?

If I recall correctly, the original Kindle's WhisperNet connected to Sprint's network...however, one was out of luck if they were in Montana or Alaska.

- Sent from my iPhone in a log cabin four miles outside of Lincoln, Montana while eating some Hi-Country beef jerky.

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Watching, absolutely not, but for me, I do my best work when I put on my headphones, 'zone in', and focus on what I am doing. Believe it or not, listening to a stream of yoru favorite music is much less distracting than listening to office and cubical chatter. It also gives the implicit signal of 'do not inturrupt'.

That's what I've found, especially in noisy environments. I would prefer to at least drown out unwanted noise with my own brand of noise, as long as it doesn't further distract me from the task at hand.
 
Wow >.>

******* sprint!

I signed up for their service only to find out that it's absolute sh*te. Not only was it as slow as possible (slow enough in my area that Siri HANGS)

but now it's no longer unthrottled. and I usually get the *best* speeds when I'm ROAMING. :mad:

Sprint, I hope you go burn in hell.
 
Isn't that why Apple puts memory in their devices, so you can download what you want over WiFi for future listening or viewing? Heck, I've had Verizon's unlimited data plan for over 6 months, and have downloaded less than 400MB total on that plan over that time period. If you're able think and plan ahead, you don't need a large data plan.

Think and plan ahead? Have you ever used Pandora? It does not allow you to download offline like a podcast or iTunes music.

I have a big music library on my iPhone. For the past year or so, after I got so frustrated with AT&T, I switched down to the 200 MB plan and it worked out with iPod music for work and car. But after switching to Sprint, I went back to Pandora. While half of the music I hear I already own, I enjoy the small surprises, songs I haven't heard for years, that they play in the mix.

But to your point, you can adapt easily to a smaller data plan.
 
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An alternative to Pandora would be MOG you still get the radio shuffle interface of pandora and 320kbps quality that can be downloaded to your phone to avoid high data use. However you have to pay $9 a month but it beats paying $1 a song!
 
When you live in a society of people that expect to get something for nothing and overly greedy, you will always need to put controls in place.

It's human nature :( In economic classes, they teach how people can view value and worth differently, especially when that service or object is given for free. That's why countries with universal healthcare have systems in place to prevent people from abusing their healthcare system and services..

I would say about 90% of corporations are corrupt and all about squeezing as much money as possible.... But at least Apple provides high quality and cool products in the process backed by great warranties and customer service... Some companies are corrupt while providing crappy products which they dont care about once they have your money.

So the ends justify the means?
 
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It's human nature :( In economic classes, they teach how people can view value and worth differently, especially when that service or object is given for free. That's why countries with universal healthcare have systems in place to prevent people from abusing their healthcare rights.

Abusing their healthcare rights?
 
Way to support misleading advertising. :rolleyes:

Pointing out that viewing advertising requires some common sense, is not the same as supporting it.

Despite the total self-protection that some people seem to want these days (like labels warning against putting fingers under a lawnmower), people should be expected to use some common sense and maturity with respect to product descriptions.

For example, when Steve Jobs said that some software was "magical", that doesn't mean it is. When he said that some display was the "best ever", he usually meant the best ever in an Apple product, not everywhere. Likewise, this is a world with finite resources and "unlimited" is hard to come by in real life.

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I think a main problem with using "unlimited" in advertising is that there are people who think that everything should be free and without limits (especially for themselves)... and who take everything too literally.

Another problem is that many people are technically illiterate and really do not understand that bandwidth is not unlimited; that to serve everyone, some limits must be put in place when necessary.

Personally, I like the way that Verizon does it: if and only if there is congestion on a cell, the first ones to get throttled are the biggest users.

For those who really need the bandwidth, I think carriers could add a higher tier of "unlimited" data usage plan: with an extra fee to avoid the throttling. But it would probably be prohibitively expensive.

Or perhaps the best solution is to stop using the word at all.
 
Throttle? I barely break 28k on the Sprint "3G" network

This is a total joke. The 3G network on Sprint is so terrible it is almost impossible to use Netflix. Correction, it is impossible to use Netflix. Pandora regularly lags out. Sprint is selling snake oil with their "3G" network. To now say that they are throttling the 1% is pretty funny. My guess is that the 1% is so pissed at the slow speeds they are running apps that constantly download junk data just so they feel like they are getting something out of the "unlimited" network.

Been with Sprint for 12+ years. Patiently waited for the iPhone. Never again. Sorry, but after a decade I am done. Well, done after my contract expires.
 
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You know marketing's gone mental when there's a competition over who gives you the most unlimited data.
 
Think and plan ahead? Have you ever used Pandora? It does not allow you to download offline like a podcast or iTunes music.

I have a big music library on my iPhone. For the past year or so, after I got so frustrated with AT&T, I switched down to the 200 MB plan and it worked out with iPod music for work and car. But after switching to Sprint, I went back to Pandora. While half of the music I hear I already own, I enjoy the small surprises, songs I haven't heard for years, that they play in the mix.

But to your point, you can adapt easily to a smaller data plan.

if you pay Slacker Radio $50 a year you can cache your stations as well as customize them to the point where they are almost playlists
 
It probably costs them a ton for people that have high data usage and are roaming all the time.

Even for just voice on my crappy feature phone, I roam all the time in my apartment because I don't have good sprint signal. Sprint sent me an Airave device for free which is basically a Sprint signal booster that uses my internet connection. Calls are now crystal clear, and I no longer roam too.
 
Unlimited refers to an amount

You still get as many bits as you want per month... it's still unlimited.

The complete opposite would be a data cap... where they cut you off when you reach a certain amount. That's not what is happening here.

Throttling refers to a rate of speed... that's a different thing altogether. :)


It's absurd to argue that the concepts of rate and amount are unrelated.

If I run a bank and say that you are allowed to write an unlimited number of checks without any per-check fee and then you find out that "unlimited" means that you're only allowed to write one check per month, would you still feel like you were a enjoying unlimited check writing privileges?

If you buy a toll tag that charges a flat monthly fee for driving on the tollway in your city and then you're told that after 100 miles of driving you had to drive a 5 mph would you still think that your toll fees afforded you unlimited mileage?

There's a very real point where the rate at which they are willing to provide a service effectively limits the amount that they, in the same breath, promise is unlimited.

It's not where they draw the line that's infuriating, it's that they draw it at all.

And I fully expect that once they get us used to the concept of unlimited data being limited through throttling that the parameters of its implementation will only continue to change further in their favor.
 
Gee, who didn't see this coming?

I wouldn't be surprised by a lawsuit here, that certainly seems like a blatant case of false advertising. If I sell lottery tickets promising a $100M jackpot but then I only decide to pay the winner $50M, no one would have a problem with it?

You might only get about 40 million dollars after taxes on a 100 million dollar winning ticket (depending on where you live, and where your lottery ticket is from), so that's not the best analogy.
 
Original ATT is still "Unlimited" isn't it? I use tons of data a month and haven't noticed any throttling from them.

Nope you will be throttled also. My wife got a message from them that she will be and she only uses 2 gig a month. Shes on the unlimited plan.
 
if you pay Slacker Radio $50 a year you can cache your stations as well as customize them to the point where they are almost playlists

Good to know. If Sprint ever decides to introduce a cheaper 'capped' data plan, might be worth going for something like that. For the time being I am enjoying my unlimited data and great coverage with Sprint. I consume 3 - 4 GB of data..
 
It's absurd to argue that the concepts of rate and amount are unrelated.

If I run a bank and say that you are allowed to write an unlimited number of checks without any per-check fee and then you find out that "unlimited" means that you're only allowed to write one check per month, would you still feel like you were a enjoying unlimited check writing privileges?

If you buy a toll tag that charges a flat monthly fee for driving on the tollway in your city and then you're told that after 100 miles of driving you had to drive a 5 mph would you still think that your toll fees afforded you unlimited mileage?

There's a very real point where the rate at which they are willing to provide a service effectively limits the amount that they, in the same breath, promise is unlimited.

It's not where they draw the line that's infuriating, it's that they draw it at all.

And I fully expect that once they get us used to the concept of unlimited data being limited through throttling that the parameters of its implementation will only continue to change further in their favor.

Next thing, you're going to be complaining because February doesn't have as many days in it, so your bills should all go down 3-5% depending on the year.

Sprint also has unlimited texting, and a handful of people have, in an effort to "test" the limits, found out that there is a practical limit, because if your account shows several thousand texts per day, it raises a red flag somewhere in their system, and they manually intervene. You get a "hey, we know that we said unlimited, but you are clearly trying to abuse the system. Please stop or we're going to cut you off and refund your money" text from Sprint.

This is a situation where Sprint has opted to pay the other carriers for roaming data charges off-network on their unlimited plans. That means Sprint has to pay Verizon or ATT whatever they are charging for your roaming, but it doesn't get added to your bill by Sprint.

They could easily have chosen to just disable roaming data, and let everyone fend for themselves when off-network. Their consumer-friendly, and quite honestly generous choice to cover you off network should not be a reason to cause consumers to complain. You get 300 mb of off-network un-throttled data from sprint in addition to the unlimited unthrottled data on-network.

The truth is that those of you complaining the loudest are ATT and Verizon customers who are disappointed/angry that Sprint users have unlimited data and you don't, and that they are paying less for it, to boot.

I understand your frustration, but in looking for ways to make yourselves feel better about the situation, you've all jumped to some conclusions that are quite frankly erroneous, and that make you look like whiny children.

Sprint is not in a dominant position in the market, and as such, they have to offer more enticing options than their larger competitors. That's what they are doing.

You can either weigh the positive and negative with Sprint, and jump over to their service, or not.

I moved from ATT to Sprint about 6 months ago, and aside from having an extra 70 dollars a month in our bank account, and a couple of new phones, I haven't noticed a difference at all.

I feel stupid for having paid ATT so much money for so many years for no personal benefit to myself at all. In my house, ATT was actually slower than Sprint.

My parents live in Nowhere, TX, in a steel-frame house. ATT & Verizon don't work in their house at all. Can't even get a text. When we used to visit, I would turn off my phone, because the battery would die so quickly (constantly looking for a signal). We went to their house again over Christmas, and not only were our batteries fine, but our 3G signal was faster than their "broadband" satellite internet (the only non-dial-up internet available in Nowhere, TX).

I ran my laptop off of our android phone's 3G connection with the wifi tether, because Sprint doesn't charge you extra for that, or block applications that can do it.

Skip a "free upgrade" with ATT or Verizon, get out of your contract, and embrace the Light side of the Force. Out here, there are no contracts...

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This is a total joke. The 3G network on Sprint is so terrible it is almost impossible to use Netflix. Correction, it is impossible to use Netflix. Pandora regularly lags out. Sprint is selling snake oil with their "3G" network. To now say that they are throttling the 1% is pretty funny. My guess is that the 1% is so pissed at the slow speeds they are running apps that constantly download junk data just so they feel like they are getting something out of the "unlimited" network.

Been with Sprint for 12+ years. Patiently waited for the iPhone. Never again. Sorry, but after a decade I am done. Well, done after my contract expires.

you're on sprint with a contract, and you're mad with someone other than yourself?

my sprint 3G speeds on an android phone are faster in my house than my ATT DSL line was before we upgraded to "extreme" speed. Sorry that your location apparently has bad data speeds. If you call and complain, they might actually send you an in-home signal booster for free.

I regularly broke 400-500 mb/sec sustained transfer speeds on my phone on Sprint 3G network. I don't have unlimited data on my current plan, but I don't really need it that much since our home internet got upgraded.
 
It is likely that the US Federal Trade Commission would believe that a representation to consumers that they would receive unlimited use means, well, unlimited use. To promise unlimited use without mentioning the caveat about the 1% could be seen as deceptive. Look for an asterisk and some fine print coming to a commercial near you.
 
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