Star Trek: Alpha to Delta Quadrants & Everything In Between

Discussion in 'Community Discussion' started by Scepticalscribe, Nov 5, 2016.

  1. SandboxGeneral Moderator emeritus

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    #801
    Seems to be some online confusion regarding the two days I guess. Today in 1966 was the premier of Star Trek which started the whole thing.

    First Contact is within the Star Trek culture, not external, for when the story line says humans and vulcans met for the first time.

    Official Star Trek Twitter account is celebrating today as Star Trek Day. https://twitter.com/StarTrek/status/1038426853067948032
     
  2. Scepticalscribe thread starter macrumors Westmere

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    I'll go with Official Star Trek twitter.

    Thanks, @SandboxGeneral.

    And live long and prosper.
     
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    Well then, live long and prosper!!!
     
  4. SandboxGeneral, Sep 9, 2018
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    #804
    Regarding the contemporary movies of Star Trek.
    1. Star Trek (2009)
    2. Star Trek: Into Darkness (2013)
    3. Star Trek: Beyond (2016)
    Initially, 9 years ago I hadn't realized that J.J. Abrams had created an alternate reality for the rebooted Star Trek movies and I bet a lot of people may have missed that as well. Not picking up on this somewhat subtle distinction I had big problems with these movies not following traditional Star Trek canon.

    After watching all three of them over the past two days and doing some reading on Memory Alpha about them I finally 'got it'. With that in mind I am lot less critical of the movies than I had previously been. For what they are, they're good movies, but as I mentioned yesterday in the movie thread, I still think they're a little more generic sci-fi action movie than traditional Star Trek dramatization movie. Perhaps I'm looking at them through colored glasses of the television series who puts more drama, dialog and thought into the episodes than they do the movies (all of the Star Trek movies). I even feel like J.J. Abrams was taking a pot shot (in bold below) at the television series of Star Trek when Kirk (Chris Pine) in the beginning of Beyond says:
    I don't know if he meant it as an insult toward the TV series or not, but I kind of take it that way.

    It's difficult for me to get down on these newer movies about canon because really what J.J. Abrams did was create a new canon of his own for Star Trek. But herein lies the rub for me, sticking with traditional canon and timelines still leaves so many stories to tell and space to explore. He really didn't have to start over as it were.

    If more Star Trek fans are like me, who grew up with TOS, TNG, DS9 and the others, we're sort of engrained with traditional canon and would like to see it carried on. Younger people who weren't really exposed to Star Trek growing up probably view these new movies as just another sci-fi action flick. If they go back and start watching the older movies and especially the TV shows they may get awfully confused by them and may even give up trying to watch them. If that happens to play out, then the Star Trek that began with TOS and TNG will have lost its meaning going forward and its morals and sanity will not be there for the younger generations to experience. I don't care what anyone says, there has yet to be anyone in Star Trek, post Captain Jean Luc Picard, that can come close to matching his command style and sensibilities. I quite like Discovery, but I do fear where they will take the show over the long run. The first season was shall we say interesting. Toward the end of the season, we get a more clear picture of what happened and I hope that they go with and stick with traditional canon and incorporate the episodic nature of TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT.

    Lastly, one thing that bugs me quite a bit about the newer movies with J.J. Abrams, and I have to wonder how many people have picked up on this, is how he incorporated audio effects of Star Wars into the three newer Star Trek movies. There aren't many of them and they're fairly subtle, but I can pick them out easily. For instance when the Enterprise is leaving the space station in the beginning of Beyond, I can hear the sounds of Star Wars Tie Fighters (I think). I may have the Star Wars ship name wrong, but the sound effect is clearly Star Wars. I wish he wouldn't have crossed elements of the two distinctly different universes. It makes me wonder if he did Star Trek first, would he have put Star Trek sounds into Star Wars?
     
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    I don’t think it was an insult at all. Just a winky little joke that I personally thought was stupid. I’m sick of in jokes like that in movies. And he did do Star Trek first. He directed the first two geeks first and then did Star Wars. And he didn’t direct beyond but still could have added Thise sounds as producer. Could have been another in joke.
     
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    I have to admit I wasn’t a fan of JJ Abrams even before he worked on Star Trek. His TV shows seemed to rely on convoluted tangles of plots that bordered on nonsense, as if confusion was the same as a story.

    I watched the first new movie and found it okay. It’s truly a generic sci-fi action movie in a vaguely Star Trek setting. That’s fine, I suppose, but it isn’t why I like and turn to Star Trek. I fell asleep half way through the second movie on an airplane, and never bothered to finish it. And I’m so enthusiastic about the series that I haven’t bothered to watch the third either.

    It’s just not my style, and it seems to have largely discarded that which I loved about Star Trek (TNG in particular).

    Ehh, these days I just shrug and rewatch the occasional old episode.
     
  7. bradl macrumors 68040

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    A bit off topic here, but not entirely so. I don't know how many of you have children...

    .. But I thought it was interesting that if you have Netflix, either search for or go to the Kids section and look for the series Stretch Armstrong and the Flex Fighters. It's based on the old early 1980s Stretch Armstrong toy, but definitely updated, and actually has a decent plot for the kids in a super hero show.

    Now, why do I bring this up? The bad guy in this, Jonathan Rook, is voiced by Wil Wheaton; Dr. C is voiced by Kate Mulgrew, and Mr. Savic (the science teacher) is voiced by Walter Keonig.

    It's rather cool to think that you have three actors from each of the three biggest Star Trek TV series all on the same show.

    BL.
     
  8. Scepticalscribe, Sep 10, 2018
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    #808
    I saw JJ Abrams "Star Trek" in 2009, in Tbilisi, Georgia.

    I was living and working in Georgia at the time - and one of the small art house cinemas there catered to expats, and would put on movies (including, surprisingly, recent releases) by request.

    Colleagues had entreated me - and pressed me - to accompany them to the usual clichéd stuff, horror, romance, popular, and I invariably declined - but when Star Trek was released I realised I wanted to see it. Thus, colleagues did the needful, and the movie was shown to us (in a lovely little art house cinema).

    I had to pretend to an enthusiasm that I didn't really feel - my colleagues (including some of our Georgian staff) had really wanted me to have enjoyed visiting the cinema with them - and I had to play along, especially when the movie selected (and requested) was chosen solely because I had stated that I really liked the Star Trek franchise and world.

    However, privately, I share @SandboxGeneral's views.

    Okay: As mentioned elsewhere, I do think that the actors inhabited their characters very well; Kirk, Spock, Uhuru, McCoy not only didn't grate, it was an intelligent, respectful and sympathetic portrayal of their characters, which, in terms of character, didn't conflict with canon.

    Secondly, the effects were very good.

    But, but, but: I'm with @SandboxGeneral - I like canon in the Star Trek universe and I don't want it messed with, except in a way that is credible re the world of the original.

    And, secondly, I have yet to see a Star Trek film (movie) - any one , and a few were enjoyable - which comes anywhere near the best of the individual episodes (or best of the two-parters) of the respective TV series in terms of plot, character development, script, narrative flow, tension, and resolution.
     
  9. Huntn, Sep 10, 2018
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    #809
    It can argued that for all intents and purposes, the original time line not only still exists, but is primary and the alternate timeline (known as Kelvin) is just for the movie franchise, but destroying significant planets had a huge impact with significant stories. My guess is that Discovery and future tv Trek shows will honor the original timeline. I’m able to enjoy both.
     
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    He’s 78. Is a wheelchair a member of the cast? ;)

    I know that’s mean, he’s only 13 years older than me (I maybe looking for a wheelchair soon ;)) and sincerely I hope this is a good addition to the Star Trek Universe. I hope they pick his role wisely. I have a hard time seeing him as anything less than an Admiral, that is if he is still an active part of Star Fleet.

    The last movies I saw him in as Exavier was in the X-Men Origins: Wolverine and Logan, and he was looking kind of old, then. In comparison, Hugh Jackman who is a relatively spiritely 49 old, had his Wolverine character killed off. Now, true, playing Picard will not have the same physical requirements as playing Wolverine. :D
     
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    I like canon in the Star Trek universe as well. But it could be argued that the Kelvin timeline (JJ Abrams movies) are simply another 'Mirror' universe, with things occurring in yet another different way.

    Actually, it's pretty much spelled out that way in the first movie, even if it's a pretty quick scene.

    The only real impact of Abrams films on the "regular" timeline would be the destruction of Romulus and the location of old Spock. But seeing as he was already very removed from current events anyway, I don't have a problem with the way his story concludes.

    About the rest of the movies, I personally think that First Contact is way up there with The Best of Both Worlds as far as plot, character development, script, narrative flow, tension, and resolution goes.

    Then again, I enjoyed Generations quite a bit, so maybe my opinion is not so good :D
     
  12. bradl macrumors 68040

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    Generations was like the first Star Trek Movie; they were trying to get their feet wet and get used to something in a movie format. Granted, they only took a week off between All Good Things and starting the movie. IIRC, one of Troi's scenes was the last scene, and she only had 4 days off before shooting started for the movie.

    Back to First Contact. we lost it for a bit, but the social commentary was back a little bit when you look at it. Again, you get a view of Picard's psyche, especially when it comes to PTSD and how battle scarred he was from being taken by the Borg. The way he shot them up on the dance floor was evidence of that, let alone the whole argument when he gave that Moby Dick quote. Compare that to the lyrics in the song Die Hard the Hunter from Def Leppard, and you have a fairly near accurate description of what Picard was going through. Then, tie all of that back into those coming back from (insert war here), and....

    ... well.. you see where this is going.

    Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that Michael Piller's last movie before he died?

    BL.
     
  13. Lioness~, Jan 31, 2019
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    Watched 2 1st episodes of S2 StarTrek Disco.

    Promising. This will be a great season.
     
  14. cwerdna, Feb 3, 2019
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    For those who are watching ST: D outside the US via Netflix, you may have Short Treks (they're "mini-sodes" that are under 20 minutes long) under the Trailers and More section. They "aired" previously on CBS All Access.

    Ep titles are at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Trek:_Discovery_episodes#Star_Trek:_Short_Treks. I don't want to spoil them, yet. :D When I watched them, I felt they got better as they progressed (2 was better than 1, 3 was better than 2). The 3rd one, "The Brightest Star" was good as it went to the backstory about how Saru ended up in Starfleet.

    Not sure about the last one "The Escape Artist". Was good but maybe not the best. It featured Harry Mudd and has some tips of the hat to the two TOS eps w/Harry Mudd. If I said which one, it'd spoil it.

    Google for star trek discovery short treks trailer for trailers. I'm not going to point to specific URLs as some might be geo-blocked.
     
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    I didn't mind the Scooby Doo ending. If anything I my least favorite parts of the movie are the long unnecessary prison escape sections and the weird Spock interrogation of the female Vulcan.
     
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    I just thought it was silly that the klingons let them escape all the way past the shield. They could have stopped them way before then and killed them without the risk of a ship beaming them up.

    Am I the only one who like Nemesis?
     
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    Minus the fact that my most favorite Trek actor .... - yeah I liked it. I haven't seen it since seeing it in theaters back in the day. Not sure if I can bring myself to watch Data .... Wish they would have ended their movies with something a little more positive, lol.

    First Contact and Nemesis great. :)
     
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    Sorta Star Trek related, but definitely well done to LeVar, and I'm going to take the kids there when the weather warms up!

    Sacramento May Rename Park After 'Reading Rainbow' Host LeVar Burton

    https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article225998425.html

    As a side note to the side note, I didn't realize he was born in Germany. Dude has been around, and as much as my kids love "Good 'ol LeVar", we're going to take that trip downtown to visit his star.

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    Star Trek TNG Season 6 Episode 15 - TAPESTRY

    In this episode, Q (John de Lancie) allows a supposedly deceased Captain Jean-Luc Picard (Patrick Stewart) to re-visit a pivotal event in his youth that he since regrets. Picard changes the past, but upon returning to the present he finds that it made him the man he became. He returns once more to the past and returns it to the way it originally took place. Picard wakes up in the present, unsure if the events took place or if it was as a result of his injury.

    good episode
     
  20. SandboxGeneral Moderator emeritus

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    TNG had some really great episodes, like this one.
     
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    Q features in a lot of the good episodes imo.
     
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    I’ve enjoyed every episode that featured Q from TNG, DS9, and Voyager.
     
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    Agree. Although DS9 not so much.
     

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