Star Wars Expanded Universe

[TheIntruder]

Sometimes, trailers can rightly predict doom, and other times, be completely misleading.

But either way, I avoid them so that they don't color my expectations.

M&G will have to be judged on its own merits, but I understand why Disney opted to produce it as a feature film.

I've posted a link somewhere around here before about the finances behind Andor, based on speculation derived from the company's financial statements.

But more recently I listened to a podcast with Tony Gilroy, where he simply stated a concrete figure -- the two seasons of Andor cost $650 million to make.

And while the initial plan was to produce five seasons, it was condensed to two seasons due to both creative, and financial concerns (he was told "there's no money in streaming"), with the latter being a conscious concern later in the production.

With similar costs both ways, Disney has to opt for the path that will it a least offer a chance to better recoup them, and fittingly, in a period when the slate of SW feature films have been weak, to put it nicely.

 

[Certificate of Excellence]

Now If only they’d start making good films

 

[Sammael]

I think when Mouse House Studios put together Episodes VII, VIII, and IX, they hired anyone who did not know what Star Wars was.

 

[Huntn]

I think when Mouse House Studios put together Episodes VII, VIII, and IX, they hired anyone who did not know what Star Wars was.

It’s when $$$ rules over creativity, and we can just recycle the last hit, a common shortcoming of Hollywood.

 

[maflynn]

It’s when $$$ rules over creativity, and we can just recycle the last hit, a common shortcoming of Hollywood.

Not just that, but they also had were pushing certain social goals, and ideals that seemingly ran counter to the many star wars fans. Without delving deeper and risking raising the ire of the moderators for PRSI content, Disney chose to focus on socials constructs instead of story telling when making their star wars content.

 

[Huntn]

Not just that, but they also had were pushing certain social goals, and ideals that seemingly ran counter to the many star wars fans. Without delving deeper and risking raising the ire of the moderators for PRSI content, Disney chose to focus on socials constructs instead of story telling when making their star wars content.

Example of social goals? Not a challenge to your post, just curious. What I primarily saw was instead of forging the franchise into new territory, was basically retelling the same story over, at least many of the original elements cause “creatively bankrupt us can’t come with anything as good”.

 

[maflynn]

Example of social goals? Not a challenge to your post, just curious.

• Rey’s “Mary Sue” Criticism
• Finn sidelined in favor of making Rey the sole hero
• Reva Seemed a bit over powered and disproportionate focus compared to Obi-Wan
• The Acolyte Heavy emphasis on female-led cast and dialogue and themes: certain lines and dynamics sounded more like contemporary political commentary
• Kathleen Kennedy has espoused the notion that the force is female

 

[Huntn]

• Rey’s “Mary Sue” Criticism
• Finn sidelined in favor of making Rey the sole hero
• Reva Seemed a bit over powered and disproportionate focus compared to Obi-Wan
• The Acolyte Heavy emphasis on female-led cast and dialogue and themes: certain lines and dynamics sounded more like contemporary political commentary
• Kathleen Kennedy has espoused the notion that the force is female

Just an observation not a challenge, Mother Earth, Gaia, Pagans, many early humans equated such forces as feminine. And for today, it seems women overall for leadership have their heads on straighter, so for myself, along with the long history of women being more or less suppressed, these elements did not bother me. What bothered me was the desert of creativeness.

 

[maflynn]

Just an observation not a challenge,

You asked for examples - I provided them. I don't think its worthwhile to argue whether if it justified or not. The point is, that Kathleen Kennedy took the Star Wars franchise in a direction that largely alienated its fan base.

 

[Huntn]

You asked for examples - I provided them. I don't think its worthwhile to argue whether if it justified or not. The point is, that Kathleen Kennedy took the Star Wars franchise in a direction that largely alienated its fan base.

Not arguing, that’s why I clarified at the beginning.

 

[Certificate of Excellence]

Yep, the Acolyte was absolutely off its rocker. Disney complains about losing money and then they go and make junk like that - and then have the audacity to blame fans for not watching? I watched the first episode and that was it.

As far as the force, I think it is easier to argue that it is gender-less as water vs leveraging it as an excuse to sideline male hero characters and prop up unpopular and unrealistic female ones.

Anyhow, I always like to ask this question - of the Star Wars live action movies, who is your favorite force user?

Mine is Chirrut Imwe. I also like Ahsoka Tano but she hasn’t made it into a live action movie yet.

 

[maflynn]

and then have the audacity to blame fans for not watching?

That's what annoys me the most, I don't care what gender the hero is, write a good script, with indepth story telling, that doesn't break universe. The Acolyte made wholesale changes to the universe, as did the Last Jedi. It was the Last Jedi that largely killed star wars for me.

How in the word does having slow moving "bombers" in space where there is no gravity makes any sense, or the fact that a in "A New Hope", the empire was able to track the millennium faclon (with a tracking device), but all of a sudden tracking in the Last Jedi. this is a new phenomenon? Never mind the slow moving chase to a planet.

And yet, because fans didn't like what was produced, its our fault

Sorry I need to stop ranting.

 

[Sammael]

“Luke, Obi-Wan never told you the truth, never come between a mouse and its cheese!”

 

[Aggedor]

The Master of Evil book coming out in November looks pretty good. First Darth Vader novel in ten years apparently.

 

[Sammael]

In a related story, Disney has announced they are releasing an edited version of Episodes VII, VIII, and IX, as a 3 1/2 hour movie, simply titled:

Rey’s saga: A Goofy Sequel.

 

[Huntn]

Yep, the Acolyte was absolutely off its rocker. Disney complains about losing money and then they go and make junk like that - and then have the audacity to blame fans for not watching? I watched the first episode and that was it.

As far as the force, I think it is easier to argue that it is gender-less as water vs leveraging it as an excuse to sideline male hero characters and prop up unpopular and unrealistic female ones.

Anyhow, I always like to ask this question - of the Star Wars live action movies, who is your favorite force user?

Mine is Chirrut Imwe. I also like Ahsoka Tano but she hasn’t made it into a live action movie yet.

Disney needs some anti-trust action against it, just too big with plenty of evidence that it’s not better.

 

[Huntn]

The Master of Evil book coming out in November looks pretty good. First Darth Vader novel in ten years apparently.

A book within the new Disney (since Disney) defined starwars universe I suppose…not that a DV story would be in danger of being outside cannon, but ya never know… 🤔

 

[maflynn]

The Master of Evil book coming out in November looks pretty good. First Darth Vader novel in ten years apparently.

Interesting, I have enjoyed a number of books that have come out, and the darth vader comics that came out a few years ago was pretty good.

 

[Aggedor]

A book within the new Disney (since Disney) defined starwars universe I suppose…not that a DV story would be in danger of being outside cannon, but ya never know… 🤔

Not sure what you saying - Disney canon has now existed for 11 years now (since April 2014), all adult novels published since then are canon.

 

[maflynn]

all adult novels published since then are canon.

the books have been pretty good. There were some really funky books, stories and themes in what is now Star Wars Legends, so I didn't mind the reset when disney took over. I think in world building, they've done a good job with the universe - at least with books and comics books. Movies, and shows, the polar opposite.

 

[Aggedor]

the books have been pretty good. There were some really funky books, stories and themes in what is now Star Wars Legends, so I didn't mind the reset when disney took over. I think in world building, they've done a good job with the universe - at least with books and comics books. Movies, and shows, the polar opposite.

Right. And the author of Master of Evil wrote a book in 2022 called Shadow of the Sith, which has a lot of EU/Legends stuff in it, but is still new canon.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Not a fan of novels I read for 30 years all being cancelled. I get it, but haven’t read any of the stuff since Disney took over.

 

[TheIntruder]

That's what annoys me the most, I don't care what gender the hero is, write a good script, with indepth story telling, that doesn't break universe. The Acolyte made wholesale changes to the universe, as did the Last Jedi. It was the Last Jedi that largely killed star wars for me.

How in the word does having slow moving "bombers" in space where there is no gravity makes any sense, or the fact that a in "A New Hope", the empire was able to track the millennium faclon (with a tracking device), but all of a sudden tracking in the Last Jedi. this is a new phenomenon? Never mind the slow moving chase to a planet.

And yet, because fans didn't like what was produced, its our fault

Sorry I need to stop ranting.

Not to defend recent SW, but space bombers first appeared on screen in Empire, when they were chasing the Falcon in the asteroid field (which, albeit as space bodies do have gravity).

But, you are talking about a universe where telekinetic powers possessed by wizard practitioners of an ancient religion allow them to manipulate entire spacecraft with their minds, and fight and win gun battles with only laser swords, no?

As well as send universe-wide mental IMs and have FaceTime chats. If that kind of logic is to be applied, it should be applicable to everything.

I never ended up watching the Acolyte, but will watch Ahsoka whenever they get around to producing a new season.

 

[WebHead]

Just an observation not a challenge, Mother Earth, Gaia, Pagans, many early humans equated such forces as feminine. And for today, it seems women overall for leadership have their heads on straighter, so for myself, along with the long history of women being more or less suppressed, these elements did not bother me. What bothered me was the desert of creativeness.

I could get behind the female leads in the sequel trilogy, Rogue One, Ahsoka etc, but when they killed off Shia LaBeouf's character in Indiana Jones to make way for a woman, I drew the line.

 

[Huntn]

I could get behind the female leads in the sequel trilogy, Rogue One, Ahsoka etc, but when they killed off Shia LaBeouf's character in Indiana Jones to make way for a woman, I drew the line.

Was Shia LaBeouf entering his implosion chapter? I can't remember. 7-9 was so awful it was hard to focus on cast directions and be upset about it. You first have to be vested in the story to care.