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Star Wars: The Last Jedi Discussion (WARNING: SPOILERS EVERYWHERE)

Huntn said:
Maybe the Hans Solo movie will somehow serve as a bridge to the Rogue One movie and keep the series alive.
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I doubt it. I think one of the good things about RO is it's not going to have endless sequels.
A film witch introduces the characters, tells their story and finishes is quite refreshing.

Movies that are made to introduce a new character so they can have their own spin off movie, or left with a cliffhanger so they can produce a sequel (but often don't because the first flops) get tired quickly.
 
Apple fanboy said:
Movies that are made to introduce a new character so they can have their own spin off movie, or left with a cliffhanger so they can produce a sequel (but often don't because the first flops) get tired quickly.
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Yeah, I don't go to the movies just to see the introduction of a new charachter.

I'm hearing mixed news regarding the Solo movie. Some blogs that I read seem to indicate its not going to do too well, others say it will. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think Dinsey may be starting to realize that the constant diet of annual Star Wars movies is diluting the franchise. I'd rather see less movies, but what does come out is better made.
 
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maflynn said:
Yeah, I don't go to the movies just to see the introduction of a new charachter.

I'm hearing mixed news regarding the Solo movie. Some blogs that I read seem to indicate its not going to do too well, others say it will. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think Dinsey may be starting to realize that the constant diet of annual Star Wars movies is diluting the franchise. I'd rather see less movies, but what does come out is better made.
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Agree. Too many movies can seriously harm a franchise. They run out of places to go to too quickly.
 
Apple fanboy said:
I doubt it. I think one of the good things about RO is it's not going to have endless sequels.
A film witch introduces the characters, tells their story and finishes is quite refreshing.

Movies that are made to introduce a new character so they can have their own spin off movie, or left with a cliffhanger so they can produce a sequel (but often don't because the first flops) get tired quickly.
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I see what you are saying and agree as a stand alone story, Rogue One is excellent. But I was referencing the overall series, if we want to see a healthy Star Wars continue. However, when a new good series story pops up with new characters, that not only do I like, but maintains the original Star Wars vibe, I’m good with a sequel if it can maintain the narrative. I’m ok with trilogies with connected stories if they are done well.

Referencing series with connected episodes, Lord of the Rings and the original Star Wars trilogy sit at the top. X-Men 1 & 2 exploring Wolverines past was excellent. Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace were excellent. The Hobbit, where they cashed in with 3 movies to the detriment of the story pissed me off. Other stand alone series (each movie is related but can stand alone) have met with mixed results, as to how many remained good. There, Toy Story 1, 2, and 3 were amazing. Some series, only the original is decent (Hell Boy, Thor*). I acknowledge opinions may differ. :)

*Correction: Both the Original Thor and Ragnarok are worthy. :)
 
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Huntn said:
I see what you are saying and agree as a stand alone story, Rogue One is excellent. But I was referencing the overall series, if we want to see a healthy Star Wars continue. However, when a new good series story pops up with new characters, that not only do I like, but maintains the original Star Wars vibe, I’m good with a sequel if it can maintain the narrative. I’m ok with trilogies with connected stories if they are done well.

Referencing series with connected episodes, Lord of the Rings and the original Star Wars trilogy sit at the top. X-Men 1 & 2 exploring Wolverines past was excellent. Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace were excellent. The Hobbit, where they cashed in with 3 movies to the detriment of the story pissed me off. Other stand alone series (each movie is related but can stand alone) have met with mixed results, as to how many remained good. There, Toy Story 1, 2, and 3 were amazing. Some series, only the original is decent (Hell Boy, Thor). I acknowledge opinions may differ. :)
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Series when only the original film is decent is pretty common.
 
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Mr. Heckles said:
Just watched this again today. Did anyone see the boy at the end grab the broom, and it went to him (like he used the force to grab it)? Sorry it someone already said this in this thread.
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Yup, I saw him do it, too. I mentioned earlier that it looked like the boy did it as if it was no big deal, that he's done it all the time without thinking it was strange or special. He just casually reached out with his hand and Force-floated the broom to himself. I don't think he even turned his head, so it was like a no-look Force grab.

If that's the case, then there are a lot more Jedi-capable out there than we've known about. Many were killed in the Clone Wars, and Luke evaporated himself to leave only Rey, but who knows how many more really exist?

Now that the slave kid has gotten a glimpse of the outside world, and especially of the Rebellion, I don't think he's going to be shoveling horse manure for much longer.
 
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BarracksSi said:
Now that the slave kid has gotten a glimpse of the outside world, and especially of the Rebellion, I don't think he's going to be shoveling horse manure for much longer.
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You would think that FN-2187 and the girl would've freed the kids instead of the animals but c'est la vie.
 
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I'm making my own edit of 7 and 8 into a single SW sequel. Really the last 20min of Rogue1 are all the prequel SW needs, and the prequel trilogy is so badly done and damaging to the story I can't even consider its existence. My Star Warts collection is:

Rogue 1
IV
Heavily edited Xmas Special w/ the animated chapters
V
VI
[The 7/8 Conclusion to the Han, Luke & Leia story]

I would have liked it if there was a bit more mythology to work with in 7 & 8 films, to give some depth to the conclusion of the saga, but I would have liked it if there were more substance in them at all. Once you load 7 & 8 into Final Cut Pro and start looking at what you actually have there to make a story out of, you realize how much of it is incompatible with the Star Wars universe and characters, and the filler, my gods the filler... it isn't for pacing, the pacing is a mess too.

But that's always been what made Star Wars what it was and what it wasn't. What works as a short, exciting, punchy 3 film series for young adults, does not work as an endless serial for anyone and everyone. Disney just killed their golden goose by letting Ford have his out in 7 and then immediately letting Rian destroy Luke's character and waste his storyline in 8. Which would be fine if they had something to fall back on, but all we have is cotton candy, stories and incidental characters of zero depth, flashy action scenes, and treating it as a vehicle for moralizing the issues of the moment. And now, they are on the verge of over-saturation.

Buying a massive property, cashing it out quick, and then flooding the market for it with as much low-quality content as possible is an entirely too familiar approach in business, and ends predictably. In my childhood I could have only dreamed of an endless series of Star Wars movies, but as an adult it is now clear why that wont produce more 4,5 & 6s, and perhaps Lucas was right after all.
 
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BarracksSi said:
Yup, I saw him do it, too. I mentioned earlier that it looked like the boy did it as if it was no big deal, that he's done it all the time without thinking it was strange or special. He just casually reached out with his hand and Force-floated the broom to himself. I don't think he even turned his head, so it was like a no-look Force grab.

If that's the case, then there are a lot more Jedi-capable out there than we've known about. Many were killed in the Clone Wars, and Luke evaporated himself to leave only Rey, but who knows how many more really exist?

Now that the slave kid has gotten a glimpse of the outside world, and especially of the Rebellion, I don't think he's going to be shoveling horse manure for much longer.
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Great point of the slave boy seeing a glimpse of the outside world. I bet more exist, and it’s goinf to build up.
 
ThunderSkunk said:
I'm making my own edit of 7 and 8 into a single SW sequel. Really the last 20min of Rogue1 are all the prequel SW needs, and the prequel trilogy is so badly done and damaging to the story I can't even consider its existence. My Star Warts collection is:

Rogue 1
IV
Heavily edited Xmas Special w/ the animated chapters
V
VI
[The 7/8 Conclusion to the Han, Luke & Leia story]

I would have liked it if there was a bit more mythology to work with in 7 & 8 films, to give some depth to the conclusion of the saga, but I would have liked it if there were more substance in them at all. Once you load 7 & 8 into Final Cut Pro and start looking at what you actually have there to make a story out of, you realize how much of it is incompatible with the Star Wars universe and characters, and the filler, my gods the filler... it isn't for pacing, the pacing is a mess too.

But that's always been what made Star Wars what it was and what it wasn't. What works as a short, exciting, punchy 3 film series for young adults, does not work as an endless serial for anyone and everyone. Disney just killed their golden goose by letting Ford have his out in 7 and then immediately letting Rian destroy Luke's character and waste his storyline in 8. Which would be fine if they had something to fall back on, but all we have is cotton candy, stories and incidental characters of zero depth, flashy action scenes, and treating it as a vehicle for moralizing the issues of the moment. And now, they are on the verge of over-saturation.

Buying a massive property, cashing it out quick, and then flooding the market for it with as much low-quality content as possible is an entirely too familiar approach in business, and ends predictably. In my childhood I could have only dreamed of an endless series of Star Wars movies, but as an adult it is now clear why that wont produce more 4,5 & 6s, and perhaps Lucas was right after all.
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No Caravan of courage then?
 
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BarracksSi said:
Yup, I saw him do it, too. I mentioned earlier that it looked like the boy did it as if it was no big deal, that he's done it all the time without thinking it was strange or special. He just casually reached out with his hand and Force-floated the broom to himself. I don't think he even turned his head, so it was like a no-look Force grab.

If that's the case, then there are a lot more Jedi-capable out there than we've known about. Many were killed in the Clone Wars, and Luke evaporated himself to leave only Rey, but who knows how many more really exist?

Now that the slave kid has gotten a glimpse of the outside world, and especially of the Rebellion, I don't think he's going to be shoveling horse manure for much longer.
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The whole point Skywalker was stressing the whole movie is that interacting with the Force is in no way, shape, or form exclusive to the Jedi. It was the base of his argument that the religion needed to end because they were essentially keeping knowledge of the force confined to the religion.

Now, the whole thing is rhetorically undermined by him shouting “I will not be the last Jedi”, but I think what we’ve done here is open up the force to EVERYONE, which is why the kid (not going through any training) was able to use it. When there is no institution spreading the narrative that force sensitivity is exclusive to a certain group, people are sensitive to it naturally because they don’t “know” that they shouldn’t be.

That was my read anyway, I really hope this kid isn’t going to be the focal point of a new trilogy after this one ends. Just give the series a proper ending after the next one and let some things end without being capitalized to the point it becomes tiresome.
 
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Mr. Heckles said:
Great point of the slave boy seeing a glimpse of the outside world. I bet more exist, and it’s goinf to build up.
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Right, and remember that he and his friends had just been recreating what happened with Finn and Rose. In their minds, it's a legend being born.
 
I was watching the Last Jedi last night, since I just bought the DVD,a nd I noticed a plot hole that would ended the movie within the first 10 minutes :eek:

Why did the captain of the dreadnought shoot the resistance base, when by all signs, it was already evacuated? If they blasted the captial ship in orbit, the resistance couldn't flee and then they could just destory the base at their leisure
 
maflynn said:
I was watching the Last Jedi last night, since I just bought the DVD,a nd I noticed a plot hole that would ended the movie within the first 10 minutes :eek:

Why did the captain of the dreadnought shoot the resistance base, when by all signs, it was already evacuated? If they blasted the captial ship in orbit, the resistance couldn't flee and then they could just destory the base at their leisure
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Because he'd just been watching Empire and he thought that was what you should do!
 
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maflynn said:
I was watching the Last Jedi last night, since I just bought the DVD,a nd I noticed a plot hole that would ended the movie within the first 10 minutes :eek:

Why did the captain of the dreadnought shoot the resistance base, when by all signs, it was already evacuated? If they blasted the captial ship in orbit, the resistance couldn't flee and then they could just destory the base at their leisure
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There are countless real-life examples of poor decisions made in battle, so that's really not a plot hole at all.

You would almost expect bad leaders to be the norm in a military organization where people obtain rank not due to merit, but instead through scheming, conniving, and murderous fratricide.
 
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Plot holes? You want plot holes, character problems, and universe-busting?
Here ya go, enjoy a brief five hour look at some of what is wrong with Star Wars 8.


Glad someone put their list of issues together into a nice tidy concise package so the rest of us don't have to.
 
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News Flash (if not previously mentioned) :p: The Last Jedi is now available on Netflix for viewing so revel in it or knash your teeth, whichever is appropriate! :D
 
decafjava said:
Only Star Wars? LOL


Well actually...


*duffman9000 begins choking *

“I find your lack of faith disturbing “

Mods: Release him this bickering is pointless!


*duffman9000 catches his breath *
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I was watching the 40 year old virgin and the "putting it on a pedestal" scene struck me as applicable to SW. I recently watched Solo and I thought it was a serviceable movie. I didn't love it, but I didn't hate it either. It was missing a 30 year old Harrison Ford. I loved Rogue One in comparison. My buddy really liked Solo and liked it much more than Rogue One.

That tells me just watch the movies, don't put them on a pedestal, and enjoy them for what they are. Continue force choking me!
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Huntn said:
The original trilogy deserved to be, but since then the pedestal has drastically been chipped away. :(
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I have a high quality rip of SW. I watched it recently on my 65" OLED TV and just marveled at how well it holds up. Some special effects (laser blasts) show their age, but the feel of the movie is still awesome.

Still waiting for a 4K version. It will be the last version I buy until I have to buy the 8K version.
 
Huntn said:
I see what you are saying and agree as a stand alone story, Rogue One is excellent. But I was referencing the overall series, if we want to see a healthy Star Wars continue. However, when a new good series story pops up with new characters, that not only do I like, but maintains the original Star Wars vibe, I’m good with a sequel if it can maintain the narrative. I’m ok with trilogies with connected stories if they are done well.

Referencing series with connected episodes, Lord of the Rings and the original Star Wars trilogy sit at the top. X-Men 1 & 2 exploring Wolverines past was excellent. Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace were excellent. The Hobbit, where they cashed in with 3 movies to the detriment of the story pissed me off. Other stand alone series (each movie is related but can stand alone) have met with mixed results, as to how many remained good. There, Toy Story 1, 2, and 3 were amazing. Some series, only the original is decent (Hell Boy, Thor). I acknowledge opinions may differ. :)
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I thought Thor: Ragnarok was far better than any of the previous entries to his story line.
 
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