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Planning on seeing it again in a few days, maybe after Christmas.
One of my conflicts with the film, is I've been reading SW novels for years. So my brain has to forget all that I know about how the universe unfolded for the last 30 odd years.
That being said, I think the film is good and better than feared it might be.
I too think this trilogy will be the first of many.
As long as they are made like this one then I'll be there on opening night.
 
One of my conflicts with the film, is I've been reading SW novels for years. So my brain has to forget all that I know about how the universe unfolded for the last 30 odd years.

I've not read the novels, but my wife has and based now what she told me I wasn't surprised by some of the plot twists in Episode VII. I know what Abrams has done is not exactly what was in the books, but there were some similarities.
 
Luke Skywalker

I have never been a huge Luke Skywalker fan. I prefer Han and his sassy sister Leia more. The moment Luke uttered the words, "Then my father is truly dead", I knew the OT wasn't really about Luke's journey as a Jedi but of Anakin's redemption. Luke was never really a bad*** to me and this is nothing against Mark Hamill who had a decent career in voice acting. But the moment when Ben couldn't move Luke's lightsaber during his duel with Rey, the first thing that crossed my mind is if Luke was going to come out of nowhere and we watch the master school his student. The moment we see Luke being a bad*** beating up on another bad***.

It was great to see him in that secluded island at the very end knowing Han got killed. A new hope meeting up on a former one.

My Top 5 Favorite SW Characters
1. Yoda
2. Darth Vader
3. Han Solo
4. Obi-Wan Kenobi
5. Kylo Ren/Ben Solo

^ My Top 4 became deceased by Episode 4, 6, and 7. I expect Ben to be the next in line. What characters are left for us to root for?

If Harrison Ford decides to comeback, it probably will be in a flashback sequence which doesn't happen in SW films except the brief sequence with Rey in Ep 7. I really would like to know how Kylo Ren became from his parents and what made him go dark? Seduction from Snoke? We will see a 15-20 year old younger Han Solo if Harrison decides to come back for a flashback.

Downer Endings

The one thing with all three of The Godfather films were the downer endings especially in Part II after Michael and Fredo had looked like they reconciled. I liked The Force Awakens because JJ and Kasdan weren't afraid to kill off a popular SW character unlike how George Lucas was back in the early-80's when Harrison Ford was at the peak of his career. For Lucas, it was always about protecting his property and generating more money. He even had to include Alec Guinness back for Ep 5 & 6 as a hologram after he really died in Ep 4. Such a cop out by writers and directors to include them back.

I didn’t think TFA ended on a sour note the way Empire did since there was like 20 minutes more footage after Han gets killed, but the ending brought some uncertainty and wasn't about receiving medals and happy parades. I never cared for the ending in A New Hope and The Phantom Menace. ANH didn't accomplish anything except partially destroy the Death Star. TPM was simply awful and forced to emulate ANH. I'm hoping Ep 8 ends more tragically too. Because the payoff in Ep 9's happier ending would feel more rewarding but doesn't last 25 minutes like in Return of the King.

Would The Shawshank Redemption ending had been great if we didn't see Brooks commit suicide or Andy struggle against the "Sisters" and the warden? We needed to see Andy hit rock bottom (Jesus Christ-like sufferings) before the eventual payoff. Would The Godfather had been great without the tragic endings? I hope Episode VIII raises the stakes even higher and we see the protagonists hit rock bottom. So by the time we get to the fairly predictable third act which will resolve the cliffhanger questions of Ep 8, we get a quite fulfilling ending.

Let the dark side win next out again. Then the sappy, feel-good ending in Episode IX.

PT was about Anakin's fall from grace. OT was Anakin's redemption along with Luke's journey to become a Jedi. ST will be about the Solo twins' journey searching between good and evil. Fairly predictable but I will still watch it to see which characters survive in the story now that my Top 4 favs are all dead. And no, I liked Finn enough and I liked how TFA opens up from a X-Wing pilot and Storm Trooper perspective. But Finn will never replace Han Solo for me. The OT cast are just background characters to me.

The Sequel Trilogy is all about Ben and Rey.
 
I loved everything about this movie. I had to pee so bad for the last 30 minutes tho.

1st 30 minutes of the movie were magical. Loved every second of it. Had the biggest smile on my face. Then Han Solo showed up.... movie went down hill. Not saying I didn't like it. Def the best of the Star Wars movies but focusing and showing the prior cast kind of hurt the movie to me.

Not a spoiler as it has been mentioned before and in the trailers but this happened 30 years after Return of the Jedi(so they could use the old ass actors in it) yet nothing happened? Makes sense the empire didn't just end as killing a president and vice president doesn't end a country. But just thought it was stupid the resistance didn't get any stronger. After blowing up the death star 2x.

I liked it just think Guardians of the Galaxy was 100x better as a movie.

Agree with guy above. No Jedi's in a Star Wars movie = huge let down. Jedis are what make it a cool series. Wish they had just rebooted or used different characters. Or been a direct sequel a few years later.
 
Well, I'll just say that these are movies, entertainment, a thing to enjoy. So don't take this post that seriously!

At entertaining, these StarWars franchise movies succeed.

Before I say anything about this one, I'll just say that living as a kid when Star Wars originally came out was awesome. It was a great thing to dream about. Sure, we knew it was all fantasy, but nobody cared. It was alike this new playground were you went for the very first time and you discovered new things to do and made new friends.

I think that is why Star Wars was so successful, for the first time it fleshed out the rules of this new imagined universe. Even if it was formulaic, the time, the place, the rules, the expectations. All of these things were described for the first time. It is the story of a journey, a journey that, although resembles stories of the past is in a brand new setting.

And then, the Empire Strikes Back really showed the villain. It has a plot twist NO one expected and pretty much all the heroes lose something. Leia loses her lover, Luke loses his hand and Han gets the carbonite treatment.

All the movies after these ones just complement them really without taking any risks. And I think The Phantom Menace lost the ultra golden opportunity of setting up or expanding more the rules of the universe. It is supposed to be the very first chapter to get everything going, it is instead just a story that follows a person from inception to death in a very bland manner.

So, this one, I think it is too obvious that it follows the Episode IV very closely:

1. Droid gets an important widget
2. Droid gets stranded in dessert planet
3. Teenager has dreams to leave that rock and make it as a pilot
3. Poor teenager gets called into the adventure helping said droid
4. Party gets off the rock into a vessel that has been a piece of junk for 60+ years, but who knows really how many more.
5. Massive (size) weapon of mass (number of people) destruction is displayed and used
6. Damsel in distress -- captured and interrogated by a guy with a mask.
7. Good guys rescue her.
8. Older generation member that was providing guidance kicks the bucket inside the massive weapon
9. Good fights evil with lightsabers
10. Good fights evil with flying machines
11. The weakness of the massive weapon is exploited and it is not only neutralised, but altogether destroyed.

I think they knew full well what they were doing and they just decided to rehash the formula.

The story was very predictable. I am not saying I didn't enjoy it. I did. I am just saying the surprise and amazement of the first two episodes is very hard to replicate.

I expect the next chapter to be about the same as this one. So Rei will be revealed to be either Luke' s daughter or Han's and get trained. The last 7 episodes have been talking about family issues of a single family, redemption and good vs evil.

I would like to see a surprise like when we saw Vader reveal who he was or when the Joker revealed getting captured was in his plans to just get things started.

I enjoyed it but would like to see the franchise explore other topics. Then, I would actually see the same episode several times.
 
No matter how badly maligned George Lucas is by Star Wars fans, James Cameron even with his expensive movies being made is a poor man's version of George Lucas and Steven Spielberg in terms of quality, storytelling, characters, and lasting appeal.
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I was reading about some stuff about Kylo Ren's background, and I didn't remember him escaping at the end. The last I remember of him was when Rey defeated him and the ground split. Guess I need to see it again and again. And my gf caught it the first time that Ben was faking it with Han. The tears weren't genuine and I don't remember Han touching his son's face before he fell. Who knows if Ben has a redeemable quality to him like Anakin had?

I'm hoping Episode VIII goes very dark. Darker than anything Sith or Empire shown. It needs to build uncertainty and tension where the stakes get higher. I was thinking in any episodic trilogy, the middle one has to go dark or on a sour note like Empire did. Because nobody would care if the entire three films all had happy endings. It would be like watching an episode of a sitcom where everything is resolved at the end. Ep 8 needs a cliffhanger ending like Empire did.

To me, Sith and Empire had the best endings in the entire series. Sith's ending was my favorite because it wasn't a total downer like Empire which had the best cliffhanger ending. I thought Force's ending was better than Hope's too. I would rather see some mystery finding Luke than watching the cast go through a medal ceremony or parade. Sith showed us the birth of Vader and The Empire but it also showed us a a glimmer of hope like when the twins get adopted. A beautiful, bittersweet ending montage.

I was even thinking if BOTH Ep 8 & 9 ends on a downer. Or a good balance bittersweet like Ep 3 had. But knowing Disney, they would want the happy ending for Ep 9. A downer endings in both would lessen the replay value in this trilogy because nobody watches Star Wars to be emo and feel down. It is there to uplift us. Just like nobody wants to watch Schindler's List, The Passion of the Christ, and Requiem For A Dream repeatedly. Ep 9 will likely contain the happier, good will triumph over evil cliché ending like in ROTJ.

Favorite SW Endings
1. Sith
2. Empire
3. Jedi (OG, the Hayden ending drops to #6)
4. Force
5. Hope
6. Menace
7. Clones

The Force Awakens also has some of the best aerial scenes that rivals the opening of Sith and towards the endings from Hope and Jedi. TFA's epic lightsaber duel even if the Karate Kid/Hulk Hogan moment from Rey also surpasses Hope in technical skills. But Sith contains the most interesting SW action sequences for me - lightsaber fights.

Like I mentioned, the only reasons why I can't put TFA above ROTS and TESB is it is missing Yoda and Vader. And TFA kills off my #3 fav. But as a movie experience, Force surpasses Sith but not as a SW movie for me. As much as I enjoyed the newer characters, I still don't know much about them. I am only assuming Rey is related to Ben or to a Skywalker in some way and I could be all wrong. Rey could even be the daughter of Luke while he had a secret wife named Mara Jade. To go EU or not? I need to see more films to feel more emotionally attached towards the new cast.

Favorite TFA New Characters
1. Kylo Ren/Ben Solo - 8.5/10
2. Rey - 8/10
3. Finn - 8/10
4. Poe Dameron - 8/10
5. BB-8 - 8/10
6. Supreme Leader Snoke - 8/10
7. Maz Kanata - 7.5/10
8. Captain Phasma - 7.5/10
9. General Hux - 7.5/10

I can forgive Kylo Ren (my 5th fav overall) for killing Han (my 3rd fav) to honor Vader (my 2nd fav) and the power of the Dark Side. Even though Yoda is my #1 fav and is arguably one of the greatest Jedi masters of them all thanks for drawing me into SW universe with his spirituality of The Force and the many memorable quotes in Empire. Ben Solo/Adam Driver is more like me in real life. Tall. Skinny. Deep and cool voice. Gote. Loves to wear black. Impatient. Temper tantrums. Kinda hates my Dad sometimes. Loved my Grandfather on my Mother's side.

Ben Solo is the one I really relate to the most. I don't need online quizzes to already know I can act more Sith than Jedi. Maybe Ben redeems himself at the end. Maybe he doesn't and goes even DARKER than Vader ever did and challenges himself to be even more powerful than Vader after Rey read his mind that he is afraid he may never be as powerful as his grandpa. If that is the case, Rey is going to have to kill Ben one way or the other. I think Kylo Ren likely dies no matter which side he chooses.

Best pacing - Sith (most action per min)
Best lightsaber fights - Sith
Best ending - Sith
Best replay value - Sith & entire OT
Best story - Empire
Best characters - Empire
Best dialogue - Empire
Best acting - Hope (Sir Alec) & Force
Best scenery - Sith (CGI) & Force (non-CGI)
Best plot twist - Empire
Best death scene - Force (Han)
Best humor - Force & Hope
Best music - All

Force really is Top 3 for me in alot of areas. It surpassed A New Hope and Return of the Jedi already for me. Rewatch them all again and again. If you take off the nostalgic glasses, it is no worse than #3-#4 overall.
 
Agree alot on what this non-SW fanatic reviewer said below especially that Rey really is tougher than Luke from the get-go. Rey defends herself vs multiple attackers while Luke whines to his Uncle Owen, "But I was going into the Tosche Station to pick up some power converters!"

I have Rey ranked below Luke and Leia (#9), but I expect her to move up once I see more of her. This applies to Finn as well as he showed alot of nobility and humility to defect from The First Order and fight Kylo Ren with little lightsaber fighting experience. Rey and Finn displayed nobility for each other like what Finn and Poe had early in the film.

Along with Darth Vader, Harrison and Sir Alec were easily the highlights of A New Hope. Agree that ANH did age poorly. Yes, The Force Awakens does feel more Spielberg's Indiana Jones which I prefer over Lucas' Star Wars. The running, escaping, and humor is all there. And JJ Abrams is closer to Spielberg's style than Lucas' which is a godsend since Spielberg is a far superior director to Lucas ever was.

Great movie anyway. I wanted to underestimate its rankings and box office success and it is doing better than expected. Don't care if TFA never wins an Oscar. Overrated films usually win those. I just hope it rakes in $3B globally and takes the box office crown from that overrated POS, Avatar. TFA at 8.9 on IMDb and 98% audience approval ratings. It should rank among the Top 100 on IMDb forever and be one of the highest reviewed, highest grossing, and most popular movies of the 21st century. THE FORCE IS BACK!

Very nice review. Check it out below.
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http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/star-wars-the-force-awakens-reviewed

DECEMBER 18, 2015

“Star Wars: The Force Awakens” Reviewed

BY ANTHONY LANE

O.K., spoilers first. The Millennium Falcon is back, although one character dismisses it as “garbage,” and you still don’t need an ignition key to start it. The Death Star has been replaced by what appears to be its elder brother, and at one point we see the two of them, rendered as holograms, side by side. Great balls of firepower! And the biggest news of all: Chewbacca has had his highlights done, just for the occasion. There’s definitely a new and strokeable touch of golden-blond about him. And why? Because he’s worth it.

“Star Wars: The Force Awakens” is, as the title suggests, aimed squarely at anyone who was worried that the Force was asleep on the job. Not that you can blame it for dozing off. One virtue of the new film is that it encourages viewers to ask afresh: What is the Force, exactly? I always assumed it was something that George Lucas dreamed up after too many Tolkien-themed parties at U.S.C. Like the One Ring, the Force can be wielded for both good and evil ends, but then so can a set of screwdrivers. We learn, from this latest installment, that the Force moves through all living things, which sounds lovely, if a trifle nebulous, yet the uses to which people put it, in the course of the narrative, seem highly specialized and precise. For instance, if you find yourself shackled to a torture rack in the stronghold of your enemy, you can brainwash your guard into releasing your fetters and leaving the door open. Very handy. Better yet, if the hilt of your light sabre is partially buried in snow and you can’t reach it, the Force—manifesting itself as a superior wobble—can pull the weapon out for you, like a splinter from your thumb.

Needless to say, that simple motion will incite seat-dampening delirium among fans of the franchise, who will need no reminding that Luke Skywalker performed the same trick near the start of “The Empire Strikes Back,” when he found himself dangling upside-down in an ice cave, with his sabre stuck beyond his grasp and a shaggy white carnivore preparing to treat him as Carpaccio of Jedi. The new film is studded with details of that sort, as if the primary duty of the director, J. J. Abrams, were to reassure devotees that all is well, and that, whatever his frenzy of innovation, much remains the same in their favorite galaxy. It is decreed, say, that when two major characters, who have prowled around each other at a distance, finally meet for a showdown, it should take place on a thin spindle of bridge, above a gulping abyss. Anything less grand will not suffice. If you really think that a hero, under “Star Wars” rules, is permitted to sit down and confront his nemesis over a cup of coffee, as Al Pacino did with Robert De Niro in “Heat,” you’re in the wrong game.

The plot of “The Force Awakens” is itself an exercise in loyalty. Start with an eager but thwarted youngster, toiling away in the sands of an unregarded planet? Check. End, pretty much, with an eager and unthwarted pilot, zooming down the narrow canyon of a spaceship, with his wingmen taking hits on his behalf and a tiny yet crucial target in his sights? Check. In short, we are back where it all began, clinging to the form of “Star Wars” (1977)—or, as it was later rebaptized, “A New Hope.” What’s going on here? Is Abrams a chronic nostalgist, bowing so low to the fan base that his nose is rubbing against the floor? Or has he wisely concluded that, if it ain’t broke, he should not be fool enough to fix it?

All of the above, and more. “The Force Awakens” is many things: a reboot, a tribute, a valeting service, and, above all, a wrestling match, so adroitly wrought that lovers of the original may not even notice the skill with which Abrams pins down the object of their love and, where necessary, puts it out of action. I hate to say it, but he’s a critic—as all creators, and especially re-creators, must necessarily be. And he’s ruthless. Airtime, on his watch, is not index-linked to the graying memories of baby boomers but doled out in line with dramatic appeal; the more vexing you were back in 1977, the less welcome you are now. Those of us who were resolutely uncharmed by R2-D2 and C-3PO, for instance, regarding them as just another of those squabbling couples whom you can’t help hearing through the bedroom wall, will be pleased to learn that their presence in “The Force Awakens” is strictly cameo-sized. Also, what is the first thing we read as the opening titles snail their way up the screen? “Luke Skywalker has vanished.” Good. Chipper yet irritating, like a pet squirrel, he was always the most insubstantial figure in the saga, played by the most callow of the actors. So he has to go.

Yet Luke still has one destiny to fulfill: he must become an invisible hinge of the story. Everyone in “The Force Awakens” is trying to get hold of BB-8, a small rolling droid who appears to have wandered in from a Pixar short and who, unlike R2-D2, is physically able to descend a flight of stairs. (Ascent is another matter; no wonder we don’t witness the attempt.) Lodged inside BB-8, on a sort of memory stick, is a segment of galactic map, which, when added to the rest of the jigsaw, will show—either to reverential followers, or to vengeful foes—where Skywalker is. Whether and why he’s worth tracking down is never asked; the quest is what counts. If you had told King Arthur that the Holy Grail was, in fact, a $6.95 highball glass from Crate & Barrel, do you think he would have dismounted from his steed and stayed behind to play gin rummy on the Round Table? He would not.

Taking Luke’s seat, as the main protagonist, is Daisy Ridley. She straps herself in, swats aside any vestige of Mark Hamill, and takes command of the movie. Her character is Rey, a scrap-metal scavenger by trade, stranded without a family on the dusty planet of Jakku. “Luke Skywalker? I thought he was a myth,” she says, with the calm assurance of someone who knows herself to be solid flesh and blood. Frankly, she is twice the guy he ever was. Ridley is given plenty to do before she even delivers a line: proof not just that Abrams trusts herbut that his obedience to the basic laws of action movies is intact. (We first saw it in “Super 8,” which also had a female presence, Elle Fanning, at its core. “Women always figure out the truth,” we hear in the new movie. George Lucas, look and learn.) Our first glance of any new performer, watching simply how she or he walks across the screen, can be more instructive than anything else—far more than the utterance of dialogue. Ridley has a firm gait, a determined sprint, and a talent for ad-hoc sand sledding, and Rey needs no help from anyone, thank you very much. “Stop taking my hand!” she cries, fleeing a fracas in the company of a stranger.

At first, the stranger has no name, though he soon acquires one. Finn (John Boyega) turns out to be an Imperial Stormtrooper with a conscience. I must admit, I never realized that such tender beings existed. It’s as though a member of the Hitler Youth had volunteered for Meals on Wheels. Anyway, off comes his helmet, and Boyega gives a fine demonstration of moral relief, as the sweaty burden of malice is lifted from his soul. Such, at least, is one reading of the scene; the expression on his face could equally be that of a grown man who no longer has to jog around in one of those white plastic codpieces, which never look quite as shatterproof as the wearer would like them to be. Not for a second, as a teen-ager, was I spooked by the Stormtroopers, and Abrams, I suspect, feels the same, which is why he dedicates one of the earliest shots in his movie to refurbishing their image—showing them all in a row, under lighting that flickers like a strobe. Just for once, they seem to be something other than outsize toys, although even Abrams can’t do much about the Millennium Falcon, which struck me, decades ago, as little more than a Lego kit waiting to happen.

And what of its proud owner? In contrast to Luke, Han Solo, still armed with his lopsided sigh of a smile, resumes his spot on center stage in “The Force Awakens,” and rightly so, for the franchise owes so much to Harrison Ford. Without him and Alec Guinness, after all, the first “Star Wars” would have been largely unwatchable; viewed again earlier this week, it came across as startlingly inept—barely written, often badly acted, and always poorly paced, with some sequences tumbling past in an embarrassed rush and others lingering like unwanted guests. Granted, the result made hundreds of millions of dollars, and acquired the patina of legend, but, still, “Star Wars” was emotionally as null as the interstellar void through which its vessels leaped. That gratuitous round of applause at the end, for the returning saviors, and thus, by implication, for the movie’s own bravado? I blocked my ears. And the comedy? Don’t make me laugh. Ford alone took the measure of the nonsense around him, and saw instinctively how it might flourish; his lazy sprawl, and his grumbling asides, encouraged the audience to step back and inspect the striving of other life forms, and other civilizations, from a laconic angle. He understood, as Bogart did before him, that a half-reluctant hero, with a fondness for cash payments, is sexier and more plausible than any pink-cheeked enthusiast who gets turned on by the dream of doing good. Ford became the ironist of junk.

Hence his conversation in “The Force Awakens” with Carrie Fisher, who turns up once again as Princess Leia, still unfazed but minus the cinnamon roll of hair glued onto each ear. Solo says, “Wasn’t all bad, was it? Some of it was”—a loaded pause—“pretty good.” Leia ponders. “Some of it,” she says. I like to think that Abrams had a similar chat, on the sly, with Lawrence Kasdan, one of his co-writers on the project. (Michael Arndt also gets a credit.) It was Kasdan, of course, who worked on “The Empire Strikes Back” and “The Return of the Jedi,” and yet his efforts here suggest not so much a tour of the old galactic homestead as a step into another well-known terrain. With Kasdan and Ford back in harness together, as they were for “Raiders of the Lost Ark,” almost thirty-five years ago, “The Force Awakens” feels closer to Indiana Jones than it does to Lucas’s “Star Wars.” (Solo to Rey and Finn: “Escape now. Hug later.” Indy to a T.) By temperament, Abrams is more of a Spielbergian than he is a Lucasite. His visual wit may not be, as it is for Spielberg, a near-magical reflex, but nor is Abrams suckered into bombast by technological zeal, as Lucas has been, and the new movie, as an act of pure storytelling, streams by with fluency and zip. To sum up: “Star Wars” wasbroke, and it did need fixing. And here is the answer.

The new film also feels young. That may sound strange, given the grizzled and sardonic heft that Ford brings to the party, but his role has an elegiac strain, too, and he knows it. You can sense him passing the torch, without a fuss, to Ridley and Boyega, who is vivacious and affable from first to last; and also to Adam Driver, who plays Kylo Ren—the winner of the Best Black Mask & Cape Award in “The Force Awakens,” Darth Vader having presumably retired to spend less time with his family. So well is Driver cast against type here that evil may turn out to be his type, and so extraordinary are his features, long and quiveringly gaunt, that even when he removes his headpiece you still believe that you’re gazing at some form of advanced alien. The world of “Girls” seems far, far away. Ren sports a funky brand of light sabre, too, which blazes devil red not merely along the length of the blade but also athwart the cross-guard, so that he appears to be swishing a giant scarlet crucifix, like a vampire taking on his hunters.

One battle, in particular, is a feast for the ears as well as the eyes, for it unfolds in a wintry forest. In addition to the usual throbbing hum of the weapons, (jazzed up a little for this movie, I fancy), you can hear the sizzle of sabre on snow, and the slicing hiss as the fighters miss their target and fell surrounding pine trees by mistake. This is something I do not recall from previous chapters in the franchise: genuine cinematic texture, allowing the film, however briefly, to be felt, rather than merely enjoyed—or endured—as a thunderous volley of sensations. That doesn’t happen often enough in “The Force Awakens”; when Rey arrives at a verdant land for the first time (“I didn’t know there was so much green in the whole galaxy”), she is allowed only one deep breath before Abrams cuts it short, and moves on. But his registering of scale is delicately done, with bodies dwarfed by cavernous structures or natural hills and vales, and you can feel him struggling to remind us, as Lucas and the other directors never bothered to do, that making wars among the stars is, by definition, the last word in futility and folly. Everyone is wasted by space.

It is not for that reason, however, that I salute your courage in going to see “The Force Awakens.” Something more urgent than metaphysics is at issue, namely this: paying to watch a new “Star Wars” movie, in the wake of its predecessors—“The Phantom Menace,” “Attack of the Clones,” and “Revenge of the Sith”—is like returning to a restaurant that gave you severe food poisoning on your last three visits. So, be of good cheer. “The Force Awakens” will neither nourish nor sate, but it is palatable and fresh, and it won’t lay you low for days to come. Worshippers of the older films will have every right to feel cosseted and spoiled, as random exclamations—“Weapon fully charged in thirty seconds!”, “It’ll take a miracle to save us now!”, “Let’s hit that oscillator with everything we’ve got!”—echo through the cinema like the barks of excited dogs. Heretics and infidels, like myself, will be gratified to have avoided a more parlous fate. Please forgive us if we snort into our sodas when Han Solo remarks, “The Dark Side, the Jedi—it’s true. All of it.” Actually, Han, it’s not. It’s baloney. But it’s fun to behold, for now. And how long is it until the next chunk, a spin-off titled “Rogue One: A Star Wars Story,” crash-lands at a movie theatre near you? One year. The Force is with us forever, whether we like it or not.
 
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I loved everything about this movie. I had to pee so bad for the last 30 minutes tho.
Always my worst fear when watching a film I really want to see. I remember I had that when ROTS came out. Remember that long dialogue scene between obi and Padme with the fountain in the background? Not great.
 
I enjoyed the film immensely. It had an emotional impact on me that I wasn't quite expecting. The film is full of powerful 'triggers' for SW fans, and I bit just about every time. As in, stock phrases, franchise sounds, and some very grandiose roll outs of legacy characters from the original trilogy.

Having said that, this film is not much more than a remake or reboot of the franchise, much like abrams' star wars reboot. There are simply too many parallels to make this film inspiring; it almost feels like a paint by numbers remake--abrams clearly decided to play it safe with this very important franchise. I'm still not clear on why, logically, I found the film so flat and 2 dimensional story telling wise, yet so compelling from an emotional perspective.

The opening was particularly disappointing: Ep. 3 goes for a knockout punch with a rockin' and reelin' battle sequence: easily the most elaborate in Lucas' universe by a significant margin. No, it wasn't very believable, but the sheer volume of sfx leads the viewer on an extended roller coaster ride that barely lets up, literally until the protagonists come to a crash landing.

Some of the least compelling aspects of Ep. 7.

1. the villain. This is an incredibly unimaginative rewrite of vader. The bird snout and am radio/burger drive through voice distortion is just too derivative and predictable. Things get even worse when he takes off his mask: he looks like a boy band reject emo. And his light saber tantrums come across as ridiculous and silly, and the feigned horror of his subordinates just doesn't work at all.

2. the "love story." OK, whatever. It's pretty clear disney wants to push the inter-racial love angle. And it doesn't work, period. Not because it's an inter-racial angle, but because the characters are uninteresting enough to make any sort of chemistry implausible.

3. solo. I just don't and can't buy solo as an action character in this film. He is hobbling badly throughout--perhaps speeding up the film might've worked? His role in the film is far too prominent and I just didn't buy the premise that he was able to keep up with the twenty something kids he runs with, literally. I think he would've been absolutely awesome in a cameo.

He doesn't even update his wardrobe, and certainly doesn't have the gravitas, weight or knowledge you would expect from one of the republic's greatest warriors 3 or 4 decades removed from his legendary battles.

Some weird plotholes and bloopers:

1. Fin inspects the rubble of the ti fighter, but the ti fighter is as flimsy as the plastic/polyester prop set that it is. Yes, it's been crashed and massively fire damaged, but it's METAL, right, not made of paper mache?

2. You'd think that the star destroyer would be sophisticated and technologically advanced enough to include at least a few surveillance cameras. Yet solo, fin, chewbacca and rey romp around completely undetected. A star destroyer must afford a ridiculous budget. Wouldn't a few cheap cams in each hallway and room be budgeted for? If even just to catch a few of those homeless, kidnapped stormtroopers slacking in the halls?


Overall, the film was A LOT of fun. I'll be going back several times, I'm sure. Nonetheless, like most every American sci-fi film, it just falls apart upon the slightest, most superficial analysis.

Abrams can tug at your heart strings, that's for sure. He makes films which are like fast food: they taste good at the time, but aren't very nutritious in the long run.

edit: oh, and some of the things I DID like:

1. Rey. Kind of. She is absolutely gorgeous and the camera absolutely loves her. The feminist warrior jig is predictable and eye roll worthy, but she is so damn good looking, and daisy is so determined to do a good job as the franchise's new lead, it's relatively to forgive how superficial and empty her character ultimately is.

2. the sfx. There's a real world weight and real world physics to the battle sequences which is almost completely absent from EP 1,2, and 3. The actual physical props, and use of actual stunt doubles makes the film heavier and more physical in a way that lucas' CGI efforts could never really approach. The constant distraction of the green screen feel of Lucas' films is largely absent here.


Overall grade: 8.5/10. A very solid effort, and entertaining and competent enough to wash out the bad taste of Ep 1,2 and 3 from our mouths. This is a distinctively Abrams-ish effort however. Hopefully, the sequel will be far more satisfying than the star wars sequel.
 
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I was reading comments on YouTube about JJ Abrams explaining why Ben Solo went to the Dark Side. I read all these comments that Kylo Ren is weak, wannabe Sith, blah blah blah. Doesn't faze me because so many characters I can say were weak to me in SW including Anakin. Even Spider-Man is a bit of a pantsy to me and I adore him.

But what really bothered me with Kylo Ren was seeing him lose to an ex-sanitary Trooper and a skinny scavenger girl from Jakku. I forget CHEWBACCA shot Ben and wounded him badly right after Han falls. Ben was weakened by that point before he even duels with Rey. I remember the blood or perhaps the writers didn't want it to be one-sided. So yeah, Ben, you get a excuse pass for that one. But lose again to a girl and you suck! I will change my avatar back to Marty McFly who hates being called chicken! Hehe..

Who really gives a crap about this fanboy nerd crap sometimes? A hundred years from now, our great-grandchildren will laugh at us on how pathetic this generation really was wasting time online. While 2115 adults are building spaceships to outer space, our generation is too busy right now posting crap on messageboards, checking their FB/Twitter, posting selfies, and jerking off to internet porn. I feel I was born in the absolute worst generation full of attention whores, OCD, greed, selfish tools, etc. End/Rant

Back to The Force Awakens, I agree with The Verge that its weakest element is the STORY. It lacked any originality because TFA is more of a 2015 reboot to A New Hope than an actual sequel to Return of the Jedi. A 2015 ANH done bigger, faster, and better. But if you look at the very first episode from each SW trilogy, it acts more like a prologue that carries very little for the entire trilogy. A New Hope and The Phantom Menace held very little story looking back at them within their trilogy. The meat and potatoes will come in Ep 8 and 9. I am laughing at all the idiots wanting to know all the answers and how TFA left so many questions unsolved! It is just a first episode of a new trilogy! And the first one is generally the most lighthearted. Don't expect it all the answers and TFA hasn't even raised enough questions to start caring yet.

*shakes head* Idiots.

The theory that Rey did have combat experience could be true. Han does mention Luke had student(s). Ben wasn't the only padawan Luke trained. We saw how well Rey handled herself vs multiple attackers when Finn first sees her.

I do agree with The Verge reviewer that TFA hopefully is more of a launchpad than a template for the sequels. As much as nostalgia is nice, I don't want this Sequel Trilogy to be a reboot of the Original Trilogy. Ok if TFA is being called ANH 2015 reboot. But I don't need to see another Empire or Jedi. Just thinking about the prequels just made me realize that it contained a potentially BETTER STORY than OT. Anakin's fall from grace is actually more interesting than Luke's journey and Anakin's redemption. But the execution was poor.

I really hope SW branches out to different stories now and not a recycled OT. But it wouldn't surprise me if it does so. I would still watch it either way even for a OT Modern Remake. Best IMAX 3D still comes from Star Wars. The franchise may eventually fall into the trap that most people who play video games. They buy generally the same games over and over just with a fresh new coat. But the core gameplay doesn't changed much. Same applies to iPhones and mobile OSes. The core stories of SW might not change much either.

Episode VIII likely goes dark which is usually the best entry for a SW trilogy. Good guys can't always win and if I want sappy and cheerful endings, there is plenty of Disney animated films for that. Just hope Ep 8 doesn't try to reboot Sith or Empire. It needs to forge its own path and not build and refine on previous installments like TFA did to ANH.
 
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I've never had so much fun watching a film. Outstanding cast, visuals, sound, story with the perfect mix of comedy, drama, action. I can't fault any part of it.

That said I don't know if I'd want to watch it again any time soon. A bit like Mad Max Fury Road - loved the film entirely but haven't seen it again since the cinema.
 
1. the villain. This is an incredibly unimaginative rewrite of vader. The bird snout and am radio/burger drive through voice distortion is just too derivative and predictable. Things get even worse when he takes off his mask: he looks like a boy band reject emo.
That's why I liked him!
Vader had depth. His journey to the dark side was lead by love. Ben's journey seems to be immature and "emo". His parents don't appear to have any real problems - sure they're separated but they don't hate each other, they don't hate him. He just wants power like his grandfather and throws tantrums at the smallest things.

I like that. I like a skittish immature villain, it makes them unpredictable.
 
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Favorite parts:

The first millennium falcon scene.


When Rey was discovering her powers. She would be all calm and she would become powerful. I could just hear yoda talking about it
 
Great film, loved it and I'm 45 :)

I got goosebumps when I first saw Han and Chewie ... I was like "This is Han and Chewie, this is Star Wars, and this is stuff I haven't seen before!".

Fave bits ... the Falcon taking off for the first time. The Falcon chase with lots of lever pushing and pulling like the speeder-bike chases in RotJ. The Falcon hyperspace effect. Kylo Ren's hissy-fits were superb. And BB-8, he's so cute.

Theories ... Rey is either Luke's daughter or was one of the trainees with Luke and Ben Solo. She's been mind-wiped. When she had the flashbacks near Luke's saber and the flashbacks when she was fighting Ren, it was like she saw Luke's life and another (hers).

Oh, and did anyone else think that Captain Phasma was pointless and seemed a bit of a way of shoe-horning another famous person into a Star Wars film for their Bucket List?

Annnnnd Simon Pegg can now say he officially owned the Millennium Falcon :)
 
I don't get the negativity at all. OK, so it's not a 5/5 film and it's not as good as the original trilogy, but it was never going to be. It's significantly better than any of the prequels for the simple fact it actually felt like a Star Wars movie. It didn't feel like watching a video game, which just about every scene in the prequels did, and when it didn't the acting was so wooden it was painful to watch. The new characters played their parts well, and I started to develop some emotional bonds which can't be said of any of the prequels. I could have done without another 'death star' and would have liked to see a little more of Luke, but overall the film more than delivered on my my somewhat low expectations and I'll definitely be going to see it again after reading the book. Never felt like that with any of the prequels, and I've not even seen the whole of AOTC at home on DVD. It will be a long 18 months waiting for EP VIII...
 
Theories ... Rey is either Luke's daughter or was one of the trainees with Luke and Ben Solo. She's been mind-wiped. When she had the flashbacks near Luke's saber and the flashbacks when she was fighting Ren, it was like she saw Luke's life and another (hers).

My girlfriend looked a bit into this. Luke means light, and Rey is phonetically identical to ray. Light ray? Heh. But the whole lightsaber stuff is really interesting - I think she has to be Luke's daughter.
 
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My girlfriend looked a bit into this. Luke means light, and Rey is phonetically identical to ray. Light ray? Heh. But the whole lightsaber stuff is really interesting - I think she has to be Luke's daughter.

There may be something there .... there are rumours that Kylo came from sKYwalker/soLO
 
Driver and Isaac should've swapped characters. The younger Driver could've been more naturally chummy with Rey and Fin, and the older Isaac could've brought a decade or a decade and a half of extra baggage with him to the beaked vader character.
 
Back to The Force Awakens, I agree with The Verge that its weakest element is the STORY. It lacked any originality because TFA is more of a 2015 reboot to A New Hope than an actual sequel to Return of the Jedi. A 2015 ANH done bigger, faster, and better.
I really hope SW branches out to different stories now and not a recycled OT.

I'm sure disney paid a pretty penny for the franchise, and JJ certainly felt immense pressure to deliver on this cash cow. As a result, he took the conservative route and refused to indulge in any potentially risky yet creative directions for SW. Then again, JJ followed the exact same formula for the ST reboot as well. Let's face it, JJ doesn't like to take risks. He delivers great action films -- he wasn't hired to enlighten film audiences or impose a quirky new vision like tim burton attempted with planet of the apes.

SW TFA is an immensely entertaining film within the parameters dictated by disney.

At this point, we can't really expect innovations within the SW franchise. There's way too much money at stake.
 
How come all lead actors have to be Brits? Guess the sub par actors of the United States just don't cut it?
Also what's with all the political correctness lol Brit ( white)female, Male (black)Brit . No American actors ? Seems everything from walking dead to the big screen favors just that British bred actors ? What gives anyone else notice this?
 
How come all lead actors have to be Brits? Guess the sub par actors of the United States just don't cut it?
Also what's with all the political correctness lol Brit ( white)female, Male (black)Brit . No American actors ? Seems everything from walking dead to the big screen favors just that British bred actors ? What gives anyone else notice this?
I saw american actors in the film, Han Solo's son being the most notable of the new crop. Is there anything wrong with a few Brits taking up the lead roles? It was made here after all.
 
My girlfriend looked a bit into this. Luke means light, and Rey is phonetically identical to ray. Light ray? Heh. But the whole lightsaber stuff is really interesting - I think she has to be Luke's daughter.

Correct: luke skywalker. Light that walks across the sky = the sun. it's basically astrotheology, the mythological basis for the three abrahamic religions.
 
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