Why s stromtrooper armor useless? in that technology the armor seems to be only decoration.
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For Daniel Craig JBs not so, generally speaking. There have been people trying to kill him up front consistently, but he wins. That can't really be critiqued if the character is to continue forward.
Excellent question. You'd think it would deflect most hand held phaser type weapons.
Well, I didn't need that Disney Infinity game to reveal Rey's family ties with Luke. People can watch the movie again and see how Han reacted after Rey mentioned her name to him. Like hey, I know that name but I won't tell her yet because her father wants her incognito. Rey might not even be her birth name. A lonely girl struggling to make ends meats in a desert planet, ability to fix things and be a pilot, and even wore Anakin's pod racing helmet from TPM. Hint hint? Then Han offered her a job as a co-pilot and this...
It is obvious considering she was the only one to move Luke's lightsaber and Ben couldn't do it. It was her Thor (or Vision) worthy enough to carry the Mjolnir moment. And her Jedi mind trick to Daniel Craig and Luke Skywalker never uttering a word to her. I also remember Ben telling Rey how Han would've disappointed her as a father. Luke being a myth to Rey is really her long, lost father but a memory lapse for her. I expect a time lapse of a couple years and Rey is already a Jedi and mentions Luke is her dad very early for Ep 8.
I was lucky got into Star Wars in early 1997 before the Internet era would blab about anything. I was 16 and wasn't aware of SW's story. I had no clue if Vader was Luke's father. I only saw a commercial of ROTJ when Luke asks Yoda if Vader was his father. When I saw TESB, it still shocked me like I was watching it in 1980. And I was even more surprised by Yoda's confirming it being true. Now we live in an era where nothing surprises us. I remember watching LOST and everything would get spoiled by theories on forums and questions on the podcast. Theories get thrown around so much that one of them will be right and the moment of anticipation is gone when it's true. Hard enough watching Game of Thrones and The Walking Dead without reading a spoiler online. Like those iPhone leaks. Buzzkill.
Even the moment I felt Han was going to be killed, it didn't shock me. There was a spoiler of it already back in February and Harrison wanted it that way before ROTJ. But watching it twice now, it still hurts to see him die. Indiana Jones and Han Solo are like two sides of the same Harrison Ford coin for me. Indy is more interesting but we wouldn't have him if Harrison didn't tweak the persona from Han. Harrison's alter egos as a pirate or college professor/archaeologist. Except Han was never pivotal to the story to SW while Indy gets his own adventures. Sexy baggage? True, JJ. Han never moved the story forward and Harrison is too old now. At least Harrison cashed. Han dies and Harrison went straight to heaven by laughing all the way to the bank like Han Solo did in A New Hope.
Han had the funniest lines in all of SW esp in ANH when he tried speaking as a Stormtrooper. "How are you?" Harrison Ford figured it out like Humphrey Bogart. The coolest and most popular roles are the ones acting blasé and not giving a damn about it at first. The selfish bastards and scoundrels. Not the goodie goodies from the start. Like Casino and Goodfellas wouldn't work for me without Joe Pesci. Because all people are FLAWED and story becomes predictable if you act like a saint. It is why I never got into Superman. No struggle.
At least knowing Luke has a daughter, we know he isn't going to die a Jedi virgin and actually made love to a woman other than the first base he got from his sister. The next question is who is Rey's mama? Mara Jade from EU? And where is Luke's baby mama right now?
What would really shock me is if Leia is the mama!
But this Episode VIII-IX should be PG-13 and incest-free. Hoping for a mama and fighter like Mara Jade. Not some housewife. My biggest concerns is if they recycle the Anakin story with Ben considering his potential to be a better bad*** and more popular than Vader, different writers/directors, higher expectations after TFA's success that can never live up to, and Mark Hamill's acting. Harrison Ford has charisma and acting chops that runs circles on Mark. Indiana Jones/Han Solo embodies REAL MEN to me. Indy is afraid of snakes but is courageous at everything else. Luke Skywalker was just never charismatic to me and is probably why Hamill's career never took off. I feel Rey and Leia have more guts than Luke ever showed from IV-VI. Luke is weaker to me than Yoda, Obi-Wan, Qui-Gonn, Anakin, Mace, and Ben. Darth Maul would've murdered Luke had they fought.
I will likely go into Episode VIII and IX NOT reading much about it on the net and avoid playing their trailers over and over. Perhaps avoid looking at the trailers altogether if I can and aren't shown to me. Then carry headphones in line and watch it on IMAX 3D the first time. Try to anticipate it like TESB/ROTJ before the full spoiler/online leak era. But Rey being a daughter of Luke was an absolute gimme to figure out.
Few more TFA dislikes -
- Artoo magically turning on. I know JJ explained it, but seriously? I always loved Artoo, but BB-8 was great in it. He moved the tangible McGuffin (partial map) for the invisible McGuffin (Luke). BB-8 is a great evolution from R2 that can move around easier especially on stairs.
- Watching an unmasked Kylo Ren speak to Snoke and looking so vulnerable and unsure of himself. From freezing a laser in mid-air to looking like a scared coward toward his master while Huxx walks from behind and tries to ruin his confidence even more. I don't want this trilogy to be another Anakin/wimpy story. That moment, I felt he wasn't a son of Han but of Luke's ready to pout he wanted to go to Tosche Station to get some power converters. Kylo Ren has the potential to be a more powerful and cooler villian than Vader ever was.
- The lightsaber showdown is fairly WEAK compared to the previous ones. I like Adam Driver twirling his lightsaber amd it is technically better looking to watch than from the OT. But the duels in all the PT like Maul vs Jin/Kenobi, Dooku v Kenobi/Skywalker, and all the lightsaber duels in Episode III outclasses TFA's.
TFA likes -
+ Early perspective from the best pilot of the galaxy and a Stormtrooper with a guilty conscience.
+ Finn's chemistry with both Poe and Rey. I like the gung-ho teamwork they have with each other. Instead of bickering towards each other, they actually care about each other.
+ That first hour was truly fantastic. Plenty of action and humor before Rey gets captured by Ren. It starts to stumble after Ren unmask himself and right after Han hugs Leia for the last time.
+ Kylo Ren unfreezing the laser beam while he walks away and Force choking a First Order official from across the room. I also love his walk over the Maz Kanata castle and when he was chasing Rey. I loved the flair he did it before he freezes her and then unfreezes her which knocks her out. I never saw Vader do anything cooler than that. Kylo Ren is like a Darth Maul & Darth Vader 2.0. I prefer the hood over helmet look. Without the hood, he doesn't look quite as cool with just the helmet.
+ Chewbacca saving Rey and Finn with the Millennium Falcon before the planet blows up. Then you see Chewie distraught after losing his best friend. Jimmy Kimmel skit of Harrison squashing his beef with Chewie was great, btw. Just as fun as the Fallon singing with the SW cast the different themes.
+ Just knowing George Lucas will NOT retouch this, EVER. I realized today I probably like ANH more than ROTJ in their current form because that Hayden scene killed ROTJ for me for good. ANH has crap too like Greedo and that awful Jabba scene. Empire will always be my fav from the OT and because it was the least retouched. The ones that were enhanced were beneficial like the updated Emperor scene with only a couple quibbles like Boba Fett not sounding as cool iand Luke's yell when he falls. The other two got RUINED more from the newer scenes. I hated not seeing Wolfman in the Cantina scene. JJ will not ruin this one anymore.
+ Beautiful ending with the last words spoken coming from Leia saying, "May the Force be with you."
Ne grateful this is Lucas-free. Rock solid prologue entry into a new SW trilogy. Episode VIII could be even better...
It is obvious considering she was the only one to move Luke's lightsaber and Ben couldn't do it. It was her Thor (or Vision) worthy enough to carry the Mjolnir moment. And her Jedi mind trick to Daniel Craig and Luke Skywalker never uttering a word to her. I also remember Ben telling Rey how Han would've disappointed her as a father. Luke being a myth to Rey is really her long, lost father but a memory lapse for her. I expect a time lapse of a couple years and Rey is already a Jedi and mentions Luke is her dad very early for Ep 8.
I was lucky got into Star Wars in early 1997 before the Internet era would blab about anything. I was 16 and wasn't aware of SW's story. I had no clue if Vader was Luke's father. I only saw a commercial of ROTJ when Luke asks Yoda if Vader was his father. When I saw TESB, it still shocked me like I was watching it in 1980. And I was even more surprised by Yoda's confirming it being true. Now we live in an era where nothing surprises us. I remember watching LOST and everything would get spoiled by theories on forums and questions on the podcast. Theories get thrown around so much that one of them will be right and the moment of anticipation is gone when it's true. Hard enough watching Game of Thrones and The Walking Dead without reading a spoiler online. Like those iPhone leaks. Buzzkill.
Even the moment I felt Han was going to be killed, it didn't shock me. There was a spoiler of it already back in February and Harrison wanted it that way before ROTJ. But watching it twice now, it still hurts to see him die. Indiana Jones and Han Solo are like two sides of the same Harrison Ford coin for me. Indy is more interesting but we wouldn't have him if Harrison didn't tweak the persona from Han. Harrison's alter egos as a pirate or college professor/archaeologist. Except Han was never pivotal to the story to SW while Indy gets his own adventures. Sexy baggage? True, JJ. Han never moved the story forward and Harrison is too old now. At least Harrison cashed. Han dies and Harrison went straight to heaven by laughing all the way to the bank like Han Solo did in A New Hope.
Han had the funniest lines in all of SW esp in ANH when he tried speaking as a Stormtrooper. "How are you?" Harrison Ford figured it out like Humphrey Bogart. The coolest and most popular roles are the ones acting blasé and not giving a damn about it at first. The selfish bastards and scoundrels. Not the goodie goodies from the start. Like Casino and Goodfellas wouldn't work for me without Joe Pesci. Because all people are FLAWED and story becomes predictable if you act like a saint. It is why I never got into Superman. No struggle.
At least knowing Luke has a daughter, we know he isn't going to die a Jedi virgin and actually made love to a woman other than the first base he got from his sister. The next question is who is Rey's mama? Mara Jade from EU? And where is Luke's baby mama right now?
What would really shock me is if Leia is the mama!
But this Episode VIII-IX should be PG-13 and incest-free. Hoping for a mama and fighter like Mara Jade. Not some housewife. My biggest concerns is if they recycle the Anakin story with Ben considering his potential to be a better bad*** and more popular than Vader, different writers/directors, higher expectations after TFA's success that can never live up to, and Mark Hamill's acting. Harrison Ford has charisma and acting chops that runs circles on Mark. Indiana Jones/Han Solo embodies REAL MEN to me. Indy is afraid of snakes but is courageous at everything else. Luke Skywalker was just never charismatic to me and is probably why Hamill's career never took off. I feel Rey and Leia have more guts than Luke ever showed from IV-VI. Luke is weaker to me than Yoda, Obi-Wan, Qui-Gonn, Anakin, Mace, and Ben. Darth Maul would've murdered Luke had they fought.
I will likely go into Episode VIII and IX NOT reading much about it on the net and avoid playing their trailers over and over. Perhaps avoid looking at the trailers altogether if I can and aren't shown to me. Then carry headphones in line and watch it on IMAX 3D the first time. Try to anticipate it like TESB/ROTJ before the full spoiler/online leak era. But Rey being a daughter of Luke was an absolute gimme to figure out.
Few more TFA dislikes -
- Artoo magically turning on. I know JJ explained it, but seriously? I always loved Artoo, but BB-8 was great in it. He moved the tangible McGuffin (partial map) for the invisible McGuffin (Luke). BB-8 is a great evolution from R2 that can move around easier especially on stairs.
- Watching an unmasked Kylo Ren speak to Snoke and looking so vulnerable and unsure of himself. From freezing a laser in mid-air to looking like a scared coward toward his master while Huxx walks from behind and tries to ruin his confidence even more. I don't want this trilogy to be another Anakin/wimpy story. That moment, I felt he wasn't a son of Han but of Luke's ready to pout he wanted to go to Tosche Station to get some power converters. Kylo Ren has the potential to be a more powerful and cooler villian than Vader ever was.
- The lightsaber showdown is fairly WEAK compared to the previous ones. I like Adam Driver twirling his lightsaber amd it is technically better looking to watch than from the OT. But the duels in all the PT like Maul vs Jin/Kenobi, Dooku v Kenobi/Skywalker, and all the lightsaber duels in Episode III outclasses TFA's.
TFA likes -
+ Early perspective from the best pilot of the galaxy and a Stormtrooper with a guilty conscience.
+ Finn's chemistry with both Poe and Rey. I like the gung-ho teamwork they have with each other. Instead of bickering towards each other, they actually care about each other.
+ That first hour was truly fantastic. Plenty of action and humor before Rey gets captured by Ren. It starts to stumble after Ren unmask himself and right after Han hugs Leia for the last time.
+ Kylo Ren unfreezing the laser beam while he walks away and Force choking a First Order official from across the room. I also love his walk over the Maz Kanata castle and when he was chasing Rey. I loved the flair he did it before he freezes her and then unfreezes her which knocks her out. I never saw Vader do anything cooler than that. Kylo Ren is like a Darth Maul & Darth Vader 2.0. I prefer the hood over helmet look. Without the hood, he doesn't look quite as cool with just the helmet.
+ Chewbacca saving Rey and Finn with the Millennium Falcon before the planet blows up. Then you see Chewie distraught after losing his best friend. Jimmy Kimmel skit of Harrison squashing his beef with Chewie was great, btw. Just as fun as the Fallon singing with the SW cast the different themes.
+ Just knowing George Lucas will NOT retouch this, EVER. I realized today I probably like ANH more than ROTJ in their current form because that Hayden scene killed ROTJ for me for good. ANH has crap too like Greedo and that awful Jabba scene. Empire will always be my fav from the OT and because it was the least retouched. The ones that were enhanced were beneficial like the updated Emperor scene with only a couple quibbles like Boba Fett not sounding as cool iand Luke's yell when he falls. The other two got RUINED more from the newer scenes. I hated not seeing Wolfman in the Cantina scene. JJ will not ruin this one anymore.
+ Beautiful ending with the last words spoken coming from Leia saying, "May the Force be with you."
Ne grateful this is Lucas-free. Rock solid prologue entry into a new SW trilogy. Episode VIII could be even better...
lmao @ Oscar. Keep dreaming. He wasn't that good. You're also talking about a guy who wanted his character killed off in ANH.
Oh, it's ANH now, you sure it wasn't ROTS? Oscar all day. If people like Heath Ledger can get one for a sub standard joker, Ford is a shoe in for the finest portrayal of one of the greatest characters in cinema history in the greatest film of the year.
@Savor I think you're being a little presumptive. The Disney Infinity "reveal" has proved to be incorrect now, which isn't surprising.
My money is still on Rey being Kylo's sister not cousin. I reckon a lot of people are going to be very surprised with this trilogy (but will probably claim they knew all along anyway). Just wait.
About your dislikes. I don't believe that R2 randomly turns on. In Rey's flashback we see Luke shutdown R2. Why? We don't know, but I would hasten to guess that he knew that R2 contained the map (which R2 got when he plugged into the Death Star), and Luke wanted to keep it safe. R2 turned on because he was programmed to when the rest of the map was found. I don't believe the map is a map to Luke per se, but is a map to the first Jedi temple and that is where Luke is guarding.
Next, Kylo Ren. I think his character is wonderful. It's made clear that he is NOT a Sith Lord. Instead he's someone that wants to be bad and rebel, idolises Vader and has even made his own costume complete with mask. He obviously has some great skill of the force but is not in control. Hence the temper tantrums, the mistakes and how he cowers in front of his master. He is the classic school bully, hiding behind a reputation and some strength, but when faced with true authority he folds.
I think too many people have been too quick thinking they know what's going on when they don't. I bet Disney and JJ are laughing themselves stupid. There are plenty of clues to what lies ahead and it looks very positive. We've had a very good handover/new origins movie and now the universe awaits.
The one big question nobody seems to be asking is what side is Luke on??? Was it him that Rey was hidden from?
My money is still on Rey being Kylo's sister not cousin. I reckon a lot of people are going to be very surprised with this trilogy (but will probably claim they knew all along anyway). Just wait.
About your dislikes. I don't believe that R2 randomly turns on. In Rey's flashback we see Luke shutdown R2. Why? We don't know, but I would hasten to guess that he knew that R2 contained the map (which R2 got when he plugged into the Death Star), and Luke wanted to keep it safe. R2 turned on because he was programmed to when the rest of the map was found. I don't believe the map is a map to Luke per se, but is a map to the first Jedi temple and that is where Luke is guarding.
Next, Kylo Ren. I think his character is wonderful. It's made clear that he is NOT a Sith Lord. Instead he's someone that wants to be bad and rebel, idolises Vader and has even made his own costume complete with mask. He obviously has some great skill of the force but is not in control. Hence the temper tantrums, the mistakes and how he cowers in front of his master. He is the classic school bully, hiding behind a reputation and some strength, but when faced with true authority he folds.
I think too many people have been too quick thinking they know what's going on when they don't. I bet Disney and JJ are laughing themselves stupid. There are plenty of clues to what lies ahead and it looks very positive. We've had a very good handover/new origins movie and now the universe awaits.
The one big question nobody seems to be asking is what side is Luke on??? Was it him that Rey was hidden from?
I actually like the idea of a Star Wars Prequels reboot.
www.vox.com/2015/12/24/10660766/star-wars-franchise-reboot-the-prequels
^^ My biggest issues with it are stated mostly in the article like Anakin starting off too young, the lack of any Clone Wars as we only see the start and ending of it, and too much story in the last part of Episode III that was compressed into an hour. And the CGI crap that makes it look fake when viewed today. CGI in the 90's to early 00's is like video game 3D graphics during the 90's from PS1 and N64 era. 2D graphics from Genesis/SNES aged better than the 5th generation of consoles with early, low textured, pixelated, foggy, early 3D graphics.
My biggest issue with Revenge of the Sith has always been the reason Anakin turned to the Dark Side. Yoda in Episode I kinda messed up with the line, "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. " So much flaws to that line. So basically when Vader is born, he ask Sidious where is Padmé? The whole point of Anakin turning to the Dark Side is because HE CARED about saving another person's life? So having the motive to be concerned about your wife's death led him to the Dark Side? Jedis can't marry and love? Can't be attached? Then screw being a Jedi! Anakin goes from telling Mace that Palpatine is a Sith Lord to becoming a Sith apprentice within 10 minutes? Willing to do a Jedi massacre just to save one person's life?
It is possible to reboot the PT because the cast doesn't have much connections from Ep IV-VII and stuff like Yoda can be done digitally and hire a different actor if they pass away. And most reboots involves coming from mediocrity or worse. Leave the OT alone for good. It already had enough tinkering by Lucas that it didn't necessarily need them and made it worse in some ways. The PT is bad enough with horrible characters including the protagonist, it doesn't need a Special Edition but a complete makeover to the cast and script. Disney should reboot PT after Episode IX in 2019. PT was a wasted opportunity. Anakin's fall from grace could've rivaled Michael Corleone losing his soul in The Godfather Part II. Anakin's story is far more interesting than Luke's. Lucas wasted it with mediocrity.
The future of the SW franchise looks brighter than ever without its creator. I would rather watch the 5+ SW films during the next 10 years than the planned SEVENTEEN Marvel films planned for the next 13+ years. What makes SW superior is the simpler story we can follow with lesser movies. MCU at currently 12 films has become overkill. People will stop caring watching Iron Man being in a dozen plus MCU films. Are we really going to keep watching Robert Downey Jr portray Tony or Chris Evans as Cap until they reach 75? Retire them or kill them off. Then reboot it again when people start to miss him. Wash rinse, repeat with these forever franchises. It never ends. Like the Bible, Shakespeare, Greek mythologies, stories and characters from popular movie franchises will be retold forever and ever.
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Back to The Force Awakens...
I believe it is a wonderful addition to the franchise even with my qualms with it. I really could care less if it never surpasses Avatar as the box office world champ, never wins an Oscar for special effects, or it receives lower ratings on IMDb from enough haters as time goes by. I feel SW is critic-proof like iPhones. I think SW is the definitive franchise for IMAX 3D experience. It becomes a lessened experience after the second time like riding Goliath in Six Flags Magic Mountain or watching a horror movie again. Never as good as that first time. But the franchise is the definitive IMAX 3D experience. And I wasn't a fan of 3D until Episode VII showed me the way.
It is outpacing Avatar in the box office but we really won't know much more until it gets released in China after January 6th. Should already cross $1B over the weekend. And seeing the scores drop on IMDb is typical. But seriously even if TFA drops to 7.7-8.3, I still would love it more than the god damn MCU films like Age of Ultron, TLotR, and TDK trilogy that could put me to sleep faster than listening to Bob Ross' voice. Being superior "films" doesn't mean I have to like them more than TFA. Just like watching A Beautiful Mind or Crash win Best Picture awards doesn't means I can enjoy them more than Star Wars. The film snobs in the Academy can enjoy their overrated and boring movies with their overrated reviews for them. I can forget about them just as quickly while Star Wars is forever to me. I'm even fascinated on how they make a SW film. The story of JJ Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan taking these long walks and asking themselves who they want to see and how they want to FEEL is quite fascinating.
Star Wars is arguably the greatest movie franchise ever. I have all the major franchises from TLotR, The Godfather, and Toy Story. SW is the greatest and most popular one to me and excels in replay value. Nothing matches it in excelling in characters, stories, and epic music. It is the Michael Jordan or Apple brand of movie franchises. Nothing will surpass it in terms of cultural impact no matter how many Marvel, DC, and Star Trek films come out or if it never wins an Oscar for Best Picture, acting, or screenplay. Politicians will still quote from it. Fans will still line up around the block and dress up as their favorite character. I prefer Back To The Future but I know it is inferior when it comes to cast and mythology. Nobody cares about BTTF or Indiana Jones merchandise as much as Star Wars toys and their characters. SW collecting is more lucrative than reselling iPhones. The universal franchise that spawned the 7th largest religion (Jedism) in the world and the fourth largest at one point in the UK. GOAT film series.
Opinions are subject to change. Passion is forever.
www.vox.com/2015/12/24/10660766/star-wars-franchise-reboot-the-prequels
^^ My biggest issues with it are stated mostly in the article like Anakin starting off too young, the lack of any Clone Wars as we only see the start and ending of it, and too much story in the last part of Episode III that was compressed into an hour. And the CGI crap that makes it look fake when viewed today. CGI in the 90's to early 00's is like video game 3D graphics during the 90's from PS1 and N64 era. 2D graphics from Genesis/SNES aged better than the 5th generation of consoles with early, low textured, pixelated, foggy, early 3D graphics.
My biggest issue with Revenge of the Sith has always been the reason Anakin turned to the Dark Side. Yoda in Episode I kinda messed up with the line, "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. " So much flaws to that line. So basically when Vader is born, he ask Sidious where is Padmé? The whole point of Anakin turning to the Dark Side is because HE CARED about saving another person's life? So having the motive to be concerned about your wife's death led him to the Dark Side? Jedis can't marry and love? Can't be attached? Then screw being a Jedi! Anakin goes from telling Mace that Palpatine is a Sith Lord to becoming a Sith apprentice within 10 minutes? Willing to do a Jedi massacre just to save one person's life?
It is possible to reboot the PT because the cast doesn't have much connections from Ep IV-VII and stuff like Yoda can be done digitally and hire a different actor if they pass away. And most reboots involves coming from mediocrity or worse. Leave the OT alone for good. It already had enough tinkering by Lucas that it didn't necessarily need them and made it worse in some ways. The PT is bad enough with horrible characters including the protagonist, it doesn't need a Special Edition but a complete makeover to the cast and script. Disney should reboot PT after Episode IX in 2019. PT was a wasted opportunity. Anakin's fall from grace could've rivaled Michael Corleone losing his soul in The Godfather Part II. Anakin's story is far more interesting than Luke's. Lucas wasted it with mediocrity.
The future of the SW franchise looks brighter than ever without its creator. I would rather watch the 5+ SW films during the next 10 years than the planned SEVENTEEN Marvel films planned for the next 13+ years. What makes SW superior is the simpler story we can follow with lesser movies. MCU at currently 12 films has become overkill. People will stop caring watching Iron Man being in a dozen plus MCU films. Are we really going to keep watching Robert Downey Jr portray Tony or Chris Evans as Cap until they reach 75? Retire them or kill them off. Then reboot it again when people start to miss him. Wash rinse, repeat with these forever franchises. It never ends. Like the Bible, Shakespeare, Greek mythologies, stories and characters from popular movie franchises will be retold forever and ever.
__
Back to The Force Awakens...
I believe it is a wonderful addition to the franchise even with my qualms with it. I really could care less if it never surpasses Avatar as the box office world champ, never wins an Oscar for special effects, or it receives lower ratings on IMDb from enough haters as time goes by. I feel SW is critic-proof like iPhones. I think SW is the definitive franchise for IMAX 3D experience. It becomes a lessened experience after the second time like riding Goliath in Six Flags Magic Mountain or watching a horror movie again. Never as good as that first time. But the franchise is the definitive IMAX 3D experience. And I wasn't a fan of 3D until Episode VII showed me the way.
It is outpacing Avatar in the box office but we really won't know much more until it gets released in China after January 6th. Should already cross $1B over the weekend. And seeing the scores drop on IMDb is typical. But seriously even if TFA drops to 7.7-8.3, I still would love it more than the god damn MCU films like Age of Ultron, TLotR, and TDK trilogy that could put me to sleep faster than listening to Bob Ross' voice. Being superior "films" doesn't mean I have to like them more than TFA. Just like watching A Beautiful Mind or Crash win Best Picture awards doesn't means I can enjoy them more than Star Wars. The film snobs in the Academy can enjoy their overrated and boring movies with their overrated reviews for them. I can forget about them just as quickly while Star Wars is forever to me. I'm even fascinated on how they make a SW film. The story of JJ Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan taking these long walks and asking themselves who they want to see and how they want to FEEL is quite fascinating.
Star Wars is arguably the greatest movie franchise ever. I have all the major franchises from TLotR, The Godfather, and Toy Story. SW is the greatest and most popular one to me and excels in replay value. Nothing matches it in excelling in characters, stories, and epic music. It is the Michael Jordan or Apple brand of movie franchises. Nothing will surpass it in terms of cultural impact no matter how many Marvel, DC, and Star Trek films come out or if it never wins an Oscar for Best Picture, acting, or screenplay. Politicians will still quote from it. Fans will still line up around the block and dress up as their favorite character. I prefer Back To The Future but I know it is inferior when it comes to cast and mythology. Nobody cares about BTTF or Indiana Jones merchandise as much as Star Wars toys and their characters. SW collecting is more lucrative than reselling iPhones. The universal franchise that spawned the 7th largest religion (Jedism) in the world and the fourth largest at one point in the UK. GOAT film series.
Opinions are subject to change. Passion is forever.
I've really enjoyed the analysis and critique in the last couple of pages. It's a lot of fun.
As you all know, I've been wondering why the SW storytelling feels so constricted and doctrinaire, and it's storytellers fear straying too far from the straight and narrow.
What's amazing is how imaginative the avengers franchise is by way of comparison. The difference is there are no legacy films with which to compare the contemporary films to.
Also, the avengers was rebooted in an era of modern CGI, where there are essentially no limits to how realistic the CGI can look. It's unfortunate that ultron gave up on any sense of realistic physics, but the 1st installment looked absolutely amazing.
Savor, I agree about the replay value of SW. The film I've seen most often is ESB/Ep5. Actually, GF1 and 2 come pretty close.
I've already seen TFA twice, and even though I'm highly critical of the film from a logical perspective, I wouldn't mind seeing it again: it's just fun to watch above and beyond the criteria of tight or even logical storytelling.
I've written a bunch of posts on this topic already, but I still don't quite grasp on a logical level why I find the SW films so addicting. I overheard several people at the theatre who openly admitted that they had also seen TFA multiple times this past weekend as well, and they didn't look anything like your typical SW fanboy geeks.
As you all know, I've been wondering why the SW storytelling feels so constricted and doctrinaire, and it's storytellers fear straying too far from the straight and narrow.
What's amazing is how imaginative the avengers franchise is by way of comparison. The difference is there are no legacy films with which to compare the contemporary films to.
Also, the avengers was rebooted in an era of modern CGI, where there are essentially no limits to how realistic the CGI can look. It's unfortunate that ultron gave up on any sense of realistic physics, but the 1st installment looked absolutely amazing.
Savor, I agree about the replay value of SW. The film I've seen most often is ESB/Ep5. Actually, GF1 and 2 come pretty close.
I've already seen TFA twice, and even though I'm highly critical of the film from a logical perspective, I wouldn't mind seeing it again: it's just fun to watch above and beyond the criteria of tight or even logical storytelling.
I've written a bunch of posts on this topic already, but I still don't quite grasp on a logical level why I find the SW films so addicting. I overheard several people at the theatre who openly admitted that they had also seen TFA multiple times this past weekend as well, and they didn't look anything like your typical SW fanboy geeks.
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As someone who clearly enjoyed the film, what about it bothers you on a logical level? I'm genuinely interested.
I read a lot of people claiming all of these massive plot holes, yet most are no such thing - especially as (unlike a standalone film) we already know there are two more movies to come that should (fingers crossed) explain some things.
As someone who clearly enjoyed the film, what about it bothers you on a logical level? I'm genuinely interested.
I read a lot of people claiming all of these massive plot holes, yet most are no such thing - especially as (unlike a standalone film) we already know there are two more movies to come that should (fingers crossed) explain some things.
Naturally, you can't blame the mass media for hyping the heck out of The Force Awakens - - after all it's expected to gross three times the amount of money that the US pledged to fight global warming at the recent Paris accord. However, it does make it difficult to find authentic opinions on the actual movie online, this is the Super Bowl of astroturfing. One of my own strategies for gauging the real reaction to a big event picture, is to sample the user reviews at IMDb each day (sorted in chronological order).
Good point.
The Force Awakens had some good moments and visuals, and I enjoyed seeing this return to the Star Wars Universe. Not to be insulting, but IMO anyone (not you @bobob) who can say they loved this movie with a straight face, or that it was the best is overwhelmed by sentimentality, willing to cast aside the most single significant critical benchmark that makes a movie good or great and what keeps a franchise like this going not to mention entertaining is... Story.
The first 3 SW movies (episodes IV-VI)- a great story arc, so good, so original and exciting, I could overlook the little teddy bears.
The second 3 Movies (episodes I-III)- Some impressive visuals, but CGI heavy, not true to that original SW's vibe, mechanized, and horrible, clumsy, execution IMO, and explanation of how and why Anakin Skywalker went bad. The reason... wait for it... weak story and execution of story.
The third trilogy is yet to be finished, so much potential, but to come out of the gate relying on a MOUNTAIN of recycled material because either they think the audience wants to relive the original trilogy (based on the ratings at IMDB maybe they do) or to rely on a giant rehash for lack of some new and original ideas is inexcusable, which is perplexing based on the skys the limit budget and devotion to this franchise.
Sure I wanted to see the original characters, but the purpose of a new trilogy is to projected us into a new original and exciting SWs adventure, which could of been done with the original characters without remaking, reliving, rehashing a variation of the ORIGNAL STORY again. We've been there, we've done this all ready. Have some standards people, lol.
At this point, I'm having a hard time seeing much of a branch in the story that will define this new trilogy as something that could be called original, or ground breaking, anything other than rehash. I guess it's possible. There must be another dynamic of interest in the SW universe other than bad father/good son (or vice a versa) and secret siblings (or a variation of that). My fingers are crossed that they can pull the rabbit out of the hat with one of the branching Star Wars universe movies in the works. Merry Christmas!
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Thought it was a poor film, and a wasted opportunity and was far too similar to IV A New Hope...
Destroy the death star by flying X-Wings and bombing a specific target area!!!!
Surely we will discover that Rey and Ren are brother and sister, just like A New Hope??
Ren will surely eventually turn away from the dark side during film IX?
Is Han Solo definitely dead? Maybe he survived the fall somehow?
Heres hoping VIII is a much better film.
Destroy the death star by flying X-Wings and bombing a specific target area!!!!
Surely we will discover that Rey and Ren are brother and sister, just like A New Hope??
Ren will surely eventually turn away from the dark side during film IX?
Is Han Solo definitely dead? Maybe he survived the fall somehow?
Heres hoping VIII is a much better film.
No guarantees, but Han IS dead. He took his money and ran. He could appear in the Han Solo movie if it's shown as a flashback, but I can't see Ford wanting to do it.
He also had a huge hole in his body.
I thought the star killer scene would have been ok if it was a little harder to do. They "warp" into the shields, find a high ranking official almost right away and she agrees to lower the shields? And there's no way to bring them back up else where on the entire planet/weapon?
Based on what I'm reading in this thread, just about any plothole or improbable scenario can be rationalized in certain fan's minds, so Solo coming back somehow is perhaps not as far fetched as it might sound to a rational mind.
If the price were right, Ford MIGHT return. That's a big "if" as Ford has repeatedly stated that it has made no sense for the Solo character to continue in the saga literally unscathed.
The SW franchise has taken a beating for it's bizarre, sometimes total disregard for coherent storytelling or even the most basic regard for physics. Bringing Solo back might serve as the final nail in the coffin as far as the "plausibility" of the SW universe is concerned.
Not that it would matter. This franchise will continue to make money hand over fist, period.
I think the bigger problem for SCI FI storytellers generally speaking is that ANY hint of sacrifice or mortality or even minor vulnerability is anathema to a lot of fans, and this presents an enormous obstacle for screenwriters.
Take Avengers: Ultron, for example. There was a lot of upset over the death of one of the enhanced twins. Or, in the avengers universe more generally speaking, fans of certain characters get "offended" if one of the superheroes gets an upper hand over the other, or is portrayed as somehow superior. The hulk can throw loki around, but a few seconds later, loki is up and at 'em unscathed. The hulk gets pounded by Ironman X 100 and Bruce Banner wakes up pouting but unharmed.
This is the juggling act for SCIFI storytellers. You can't "hurt" the heroes, or else audiences get bummed out, the films don't test well, and you hurt profits. But if you introduce real world physics, vulnerability and mortality, the storytelling improves markedly as we can "make sense" of the universe from real world reference points.
This is where TFA takes a step in the right direction with it's sfx. To bow to the genz kids who can't stand even a fly getting hurt, and therefore bringing solo back would be a big mistake.
TFA is already being justifiably critiqued for Rey's ridiculously incredibly rapid acquisition of force powers. To introduce more and more violations of plausibility would take SW in the wrong direction (back in Lucas' direction).
If the price were right, Ford MIGHT return. That's a big "if" as Ford has repeatedly stated that it has made no sense for the Solo character to continue in the saga literally unscathed.
The SW franchise has taken a beating for it's bizarre, sometimes total disregard for coherent storytelling or even the most basic regard for physics. Bringing Solo back might serve as the final nail in the coffin as far as the "plausibility" of the SW universe is concerned.
Not that it would matter. This franchise will continue to make money hand over fist, period.
I think the bigger problem for SCI FI storytellers generally speaking is that ANY hint of sacrifice or mortality or even minor vulnerability is anathema to a lot of fans, and this presents an enormous obstacle for screenwriters.
Take Avengers: Ultron, for example. There was a lot of upset over the death of one of the enhanced twins. Or, in the avengers universe more generally speaking, fans of certain characters get "offended" if one of the superheroes gets an upper hand over the other, or is portrayed as somehow superior. The hulk can throw loki around, but a few seconds later, loki is up and at 'em unscathed. The hulk gets pounded by Ironman X 100 and Bruce Banner wakes up pouting but unharmed.
This is the juggling act for SCIFI storytellers. You can't "hurt" the heroes, or else audiences get bummed out, the films don't test well, and you hurt profits. But if you introduce real world physics, vulnerability and mortality, the storytelling improves markedly as we can "make sense" of the universe from real world reference points.
This is where TFA takes a step in the right direction with it's sfx. To bow to the genz kids who can't stand even a fly getting hurt, and therefore bringing solo back would be a big mistake.
TFA is already being justifiably critiqued for Rey's ridiculously incredibly rapid acquisition of force powers. To introduce more and more violations of plausibility would take SW in the wrong direction (back in Lucas' direction).
Kylo Ren Is Everything That Anakin Skywalker Shoud Have Been
I feel like watching TFA a third time but in IMAX 3D again with my gf. Maybe before New Year's, I will watch it again with her. She was a little ticked off I saw it again the second time without her but only in 2D. I've said it before that Episode VII could be arguably the 2nd BEST SW film ever made. If you look at all seven films, only Empire doesn't have as many flaws in all aspects. There wasn't a false moment here or there like the rest. Its only flaws is based on how old the movie looks now being filmed in the late-1970's and first released in 1980. It was TESB's Yoda-izm that got me from hooked.
With ANH and ROTJ, Lucas added flaws while trying to fix flaws he had with them whether from budget or time constraints. Especially in Jedi with an absolute SCENE killer that ruined everything for me when watching it the 2004 DVD release and it didn't get better in the 2011 Blu-ray one. It was like Lucas' middle finger at the end to piss off the SW fans who have written hate mail to him since the 1997 Special Editions for ruining their childhood. Watch the changes made from OT v SE releases on YouTube and you will cringe a few times.
I believe SE was still the early days of CGI and Lucas being more a technical guy wanting to be on the cutting-edge than a great director, wanted to experiment with it before prepping to make the prequels which killed everything about them. There are still false moments with The Force Awakens. Make no mistake of it. And to some who didn't like it, I could understand they wanted to see a NEW movie but got A New Hope's story blasted into the 21st century instead. But if you look at the series overall, TFA doesn't have that many scene killers and aren't as bad as the AHN and ROTJ SE.
Everytime you see Kylo Ren unmask himself and feel he loses his intimidation factor and coolness, close your eyes and imagine Greedo shooting first. Imagine how whiney Luke Skywalker was while his possible daughter Rey seems alot cooler and tougher than he ever was. Luke is supposed to be the #1 hero and 2nd most important character behind Vader in the OT, and he has never been likeable or popular even compared to Leia. Luke is a less whinier Anakin but still whiny. Anytime you feel like TFA has a moment you didn't care for, imagine the ending of ROTJ with Hayden. Be grateful these directors won't ruin in the future.
IMDb users give The Force Awakens a score of 8.7 which is equal to A New Hope. I think it is BETTER technically over than ANH with a modern and "timeless" look but doesn't have the LEGACY and nostalgia backing it. I personally gave TFA an 8/10 originally but need to change it to 8.5/10 which is about equal to what I would give ANH looking at them both with 2015 eyes and the nostalgic glasses off which I never had with the OT since I was born after Empire. I predicted only 8-8.3, so TFA surpassed my expectations with the score already.
Most importantly with all the characters we love, visuals, and epic music, SW family from Ep III-VII have tremendous replay value in the theater or at home. Good or bad, Star Wars is a passion that will last forever...
Rey > Luke Skywalker
Darth Vader > Kylo Ren
^ Vader & Luke were two of the most IMPORTANT characters of the OT story. I don't believe Kylo Ren has surpassed Vader yet but eventually he will. Rey and Ben will surpass Vader and Luke as the two of most interesting characters in SW history.
I feel like watching TFA a third time but in IMAX 3D again with my gf. Maybe before New Year's, I will watch it again with her. She was a little ticked off I saw it again the second time without her but only in 2D. I've said it before that Episode VII could be arguably the 2nd BEST SW film ever made. If you look at all seven films, only Empire doesn't have as many flaws in all aspects. There wasn't a false moment here or there like the rest. Its only flaws is based on how old the movie looks now being filmed in the late-1970's and first released in 1980. It was TESB's Yoda-izm that got me from hooked.
With ANH and ROTJ, Lucas added flaws while trying to fix flaws he had with them whether from budget or time constraints. Especially in Jedi with an absolute SCENE killer that ruined everything for me when watching it the 2004 DVD release and it didn't get better in the 2011 Blu-ray one. It was like Lucas' middle finger at the end to piss off the SW fans who have written hate mail to him since the 1997 Special Editions for ruining their childhood. Watch the changes made from OT v SE releases on YouTube and you will cringe a few times.
I believe SE was still the early days of CGI and Lucas being more a technical guy wanting to be on the cutting-edge than a great director, wanted to experiment with it before prepping to make the prequels which killed everything about them. There are still false moments with The Force Awakens. Make no mistake of it. And to some who didn't like it, I could understand they wanted to see a NEW movie but got A New Hope's story blasted into the 21st century instead. But if you look at the series overall, TFA doesn't have that many scene killers and aren't as bad as the AHN and ROTJ SE.
Everytime you see Kylo Ren unmask himself and feel he loses his intimidation factor and coolness, close your eyes and imagine Greedo shooting first. Imagine how whiney Luke Skywalker was while his possible daughter Rey seems alot cooler and tougher than he ever was. Luke is supposed to be the #1 hero and 2nd most important character behind Vader in the OT, and he has never been likeable or popular even compared to Leia. Luke is a less whinier Anakin but still whiny. Anytime you feel like TFA has a moment you didn't care for, imagine the ending of ROTJ with Hayden. Be grateful these directors won't ruin in the future.
IMDb users give The Force Awakens a score of 8.7 which is equal to A New Hope. I think it is BETTER technically over than ANH with a modern and "timeless" look but doesn't have the LEGACY and nostalgia backing it. I personally gave TFA an 8/10 originally but need to change it to 8.5/10 which is about equal to what I would give ANH looking at them both with 2015 eyes and the nostalgic glasses off which I never had with the OT since I was born after Empire. I predicted only 8-8.3, so TFA surpassed my expectations with the score already.
Most importantly with all the characters we love, visuals, and epic music, SW family from Ep III-VII have tremendous replay value in the theater or at home. Good or bad, Star Wars is a passion that will last forever...
Rey > Luke Skywalker
Darth Vader > Kylo Ren
^ Vader & Luke were two of the most IMPORTANT characters of the OT story. I don't believe Kylo Ren has surpassed Vader yet but eventually he will. Rey and Ben will surpass Vader and Luke as the two of most interesting characters in SW history.
The new, young cast members are earnest and hardworking, but hardly charismatic. I want to like them, but ultimately just find them tolerable.
Daisy is a gorgeous gal, but isn't all that believable as an action heroine. The proto or pseudo love story between rey and fin is absolutely laughable. Watching Ford run with kids a half century his junior is cringe worthy.
There are more than it's fair share of clunky moments.
Daisy is a gorgeous gal, but isn't all that believable as an action heroine. The proto or pseudo love story between rey and fin is absolutely laughable. Watching Ford run with kids a half century his junior is cringe worthy.
There are more than it's fair share of clunky moments.
Not to mention how Luke's lightsaber didn't cut through that Stormtroopers riot control weapon.
A question about Star Wars in general. When Obi Wan Kenobi fought Darth Vader in A new Hope, he said if he strikes him down he'll become more powerful than he could imagine. Did he mean he would become Luke's calendar reminder to 'use the force Luke', 'remember the force Luke'. Was there something else that came of that as he really just turned into an Apple Watch app.
8.6 on IMDb right now. It probably never leaves out of the Top 100 though.
Just have bad edits like where was Poe when they crashed in Jakku? Such a quick response. I never saw the scene when Kylo Ren escapes. And the convenient time for Artoo to wakeup from his low power coma. Probably some are in deleted scenes.
Aware Kylo Ren right now is quite divisive to many SW fans. I read one comment saying Kylo Ren has got to be the worst SW villain but has a cool lightsaber. If Kylo Ren is the worst villian, Luke Skywalker has got be the the most bland hero in cinematic history. Nobody except the biggest dorks dresses up as Luke. Most would rather dress up as Vader, Han, Stormtrooper, and I've seen guys at whatever orientation dress up as Leia.
Face it, Luke Skywalker is soft. From the OT, Luke is soft from start to finish. A stereotypical, cliché hero we have seen in so many countless films. Except he is whiny and Mark Hamill doesn't come off as a natural, rugged actor the way Harrison does. When we see Luke at the end of TFA, I never got the feeling that I was so happy to see him again the way I smiled for Han and Leia. It was like cool, he is alive. Nothing against Mark. Seems like nice, funny guy.
I feel neither Kylo Ren and Rey have hit their full potential yet. It is both a journey of a hero and a villian. Rey is starting off much better to me than Anakin and Luke ever did in likeability. These are not ready-made characters yet. One of the traits I love about Rey is her compassion. She meets Finn and Han, and cares so much about them and their safety. So she is tough, independent, pilot, mechanic, but a very caring character even to the people she barely met. I felt Luke was soft all-around while Rey has a better balance.
I like the theory Kylo Ren is a double agent and plans to destroy the Dark Side from the inside which takes cues from the Jacen Solo EU story. A villain fighting other villians, Despicable Me-style. Remember, Vader was only a slave to Sidious but offered Luke to join him and overthrow the Emperor and rule the galaxy as father and son. I want to see the eventual showdown between Ren fighting his Snoke. I want to see more of the Knights of Ren overtake The First Order.
I hope to see both Rey and Ben complete their journey but I don't want to see either win by the end of Episode IX. It becomes way too predictable if Rey kills Kylo or Kylo becomes Kylo Ben again and be good. After Kylo Ren completes his training, I want to see him murder more bad guys with his lust for power. Something Darth Vader never achieved since he had his own master to follow orders to. Kylo Ren can be a Sith Lord. Darth Vader was just an apprentice to his master, Darth Sidious.
Just have bad edits like where was Poe when they crashed in Jakku? Such a quick response. I never saw the scene when Kylo Ren escapes. And the convenient time for Artoo to wakeup from his low power coma. Probably some are in deleted scenes.
Aware Kylo Ren right now is quite divisive to many SW fans. I read one comment saying Kylo Ren has got to be the worst SW villain but has a cool lightsaber. If Kylo Ren is the worst villian, Luke Skywalker has got be the the most bland hero in cinematic history. Nobody except the biggest dorks dresses up as Luke. Most would rather dress up as Vader, Han, Stormtrooper, and I've seen guys at whatever orientation dress up as Leia.
Face it, Luke Skywalker is soft. From the OT, Luke is soft from start to finish. A stereotypical, cliché hero we have seen in so many countless films. Except he is whiny and Mark Hamill doesn't come off as a natural, rugged actor the way Harrison does. When we see Luke at the end of TFA, I never got the feeling that I was so happy to see him again the way I smiled for Han and Leia. It was like cool, he is alive. Nothing against Mark. Seems like nice, funny guy.
I feel neither Kylo Ren and Rey have hit their full potential yet. It is both a journey of a hero and a villian. Rey is starting off much better to me than Anakin and Luke ever did in likeability. These are not ready-made characters yet. One of the traits I love about Rey is her compassion. She meets Finn and Han, and cares so much about them and their safety. So she is tough, independent, pilot, mechanic, but a very caring character even to the people she barely met. I felt Luke was soft all-around while Rey has a better balance.
I like the theory Kylo Ren is a double agent and plans to destroy the Dark Side from the inside which takes cues from the Jacen Solo EU story. A villain fighting other villians, Despicable Me-style. Remember, Vader was only a slave to Sidious but offered Luke to join him and overthrow the Emperor and rule the galaxy as father and son. I want to see the eventual showdown between Ren fighting his Snoke. I want to see more of the Knights of Ren overtake The First Order.
I hope to see both Rey and Ben complete their journey but I don't want to see either win by the end of Episode IX. It becomes way too predictable if Rey kills Kylo or Kylo becomes Kylo Ben again and be good. After Kylo Ren completes his training, I want to see him murder more bad guys with his lust for power. Something Darth Vader never achieved since he had his own master to follow orders to. Kylo Ren can be a Sith Lord. Darth Vader was just an apprentice to his master, Darth Sidious.
The Top 100 films on IMDb are a strange mix of currently hyped-up Hollywood product, fanboy darlings, and the perennial classics - - it is hardly the gold standard of critical objectivity.
Here's a sampling from the Top 100 films of all-time:
- Django Unchained
- Cinema Paradiso
- Whiplash
- City of God
- The Prestige
- The Lord of the Rings: Two Towers
- The Dark Knight Rises
I didn't see that as Luke shutting down R2. I got the impression that was a vision of the future of Luke and R2 reunited. My impression of R2 turning on when he did was the same. One question I have though, is Kylo tells Rey that the FO recovered the rest of the map from the remnants of the Empire. All I can surmise is the map is pieced together from rumors and sightings of Luke as he traveled around the galaxy searching for the Jedi Temple.
Rey is definitely Kylo's sister. I just saw it again on Christmas day and there are too many clues pointing to A) Rey is a Skywalker, and B) a Solo.
Kylo, Hux, and Snoak were bland. Bad casting. Luke was bland until about half way through Empire. Then he started to get more interesting although, this is pretty normal. The bad guys are almost always more complicated and interesting.That's why Han proved to be so popular, great characterization by Ford, and not a lilly white hero. He had a complex and colorful past.
Rey was great. Finn was a nice addition, and I like your idea of Kylo whacking everyone and taking control as the top bad guy. Something I would hate to see is him have a change of heart. Hopefully killing his dad killed the light side in him.
Not to mention how Luke's lightsaber didn't cut through that Stormtroopers riot control weapon.
You can clearly see the weapon creates it's own energy field - it's obviously designed to handle other energy weapons hence it's use by the Storm Troopers.
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Lol. I've never asked but wondered why did Obi Wan let Vader kill him? It certainly looked that way to me. It's probably better just to accept what your eyes see and not question.
Was he losing? Why did his body go poof unlike Han whose body did not just disappear leaving a pile of clothes?For Obiwan, based on what he said to Vader, he seemed to have an agenda. Pure speculation- He was old, possibly that agenda was moving over into a spiritual force that would add weight of good over evil, light over dark. Sounds good to me.
Lol. I've never asked but wondered why did Obi Wan let Vader kill him? It certainly looked that way to me. It's probably better just to accept what your eyes see and not question.
For Obiwan, based on what he said to Vader, he seemed to have an agenda. Pure speculation- He was old, possibly that agenda was moving over into a spiritual force that would add weight of good over evil, light over dark. Sounds good to me.
Obi Wan knew he was too old and couldn't handle more adventures. He chose to die because he knew and had been training to become a force ghost. He then wouldn't have the limitations of a physical from. It's a strategic move on his part.
As for the body disappearing, I assume this is a result when one becomes so in tune with the force, Who knows? it's a movie.
That list is atrocious. TDKR was terrible. No Peter Jackson movie should be any where near a top 100 list.
Not going to happen EVER. Ledger was terrific and gave a new spin on an old character, then DIED. That was more of a lifetime achievement Oscar than for one performance. Ford played the same character he's played in 7 prior movies (SW and IJ - essentially the same character -IJ is another character with a smuggler past - accused of grave robbing by foreign govts.).
You really need to go back and watch some classic movies with strong performances that won Oscars. Ford was great, but not Oscar worthy in any way.
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