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Ironically, vast majority of people is not using Apple products. Failed execution of the vision?

Apple is raking in huge profits, they are growing faster than their competitors, and their market-cap is a lot bigger than their rivals (Microsoft excluded). Yeah, failed execution indeed...

The reason why Apple has the market-share it does is because of mistakes made decades ago. It's very hard to win back market-share against humungous predatory monopoly, but Apple is doing it.
 
Ironically, vast majority of people is not using Apple products. Failed execution of the vision?

The best stuff is not used by the average Wallmart shoppers. Do you drive a BMW, listen to a Bang & Olfson stereo with Klipch speakers?
 
You don't need a new mbp, it is already good enough for what you need, software, internet connection yes, but mbp is already good enough.

So true...

My MBP is 3.5 years old and runs as good as new. The clock is running at 2.33 MHz, which is as fast as I need. I've never ran into a RAM problem with my 2GB of RAM. I know some folks could use more RAM, more speed, a better graphic card, et cetra. but me, and I also suspect neither do a lot of those whining for a new MBP.
 
I never buy Time, but I think I will this time. Such a great cover ;)
I have to say that Apple are very good at marketing, because as much as I despise all tablet computers (I just don't see a need for them) I find myself wanting one more and more each time I watch the ads. I really need to block the apple iPad website otherwise I might end up buying one when they come out in New Zealand... even though I don't want one :p
 
A great description of a Dell computer. "It's a screwdriver."
Pretty much. A good computer is a good tool, not a religion. I'm happy to use a good screwdriver, and have used Macs on and off since 1990. I'm particularly happy with my Mac Plus and Wallstreet PowerBook.

And I'm sure these research/poll companies with decades of experience have no idea how to account for response variables or interpret the statistics in a valid manner. :rolleyes:
Your appeal to authority aside, they state the results, you abuse them to make a statement about Apple vs Dell et al. They're usually not interpreting the statistics in an invalid manner - but you are.

For example, it's true that, in the survey I linked to, Apple has 9% greater satisfaction rate than Dell, by the nomenclature used in the survey. That's just a restatement of the results. But this can't be used to make a choice between Apple and Dell. It can't be used to predict whether you're likely to get better service with Apple or Dell. So quoting of these results to recommend or justify Apple is fallacious.

Regardless, have you stopped to consider, all things being fair and equal, what sort of a difference 9% would make to a random consumer's satisfaction? Not that it really matters, because things are not fair and equal, as discussed.

About Sony... they have done a much wider range with significantly more products. They can keep their head up.
Sony annoy me with a passion, and they've ruined their brand with much consumer junk. But they seem to have some gems in the Vaio range which are more configurable and pleasing to hold and use than any MacBook. Apple laptops are clearly better builds than low-end Acers and HPs (HP was a great brand 10+ years ago - Fiorina fixed that), but they're no great shakes.
 
Fry is a second rate Oscar Wilde wannabe, with neither Wilde's rapacious wit nor his breath of creativity. The painting by the BBC of Fry and Laurie's more parochial half as the foremost thinking man's entertainer reflects the paucity of talent on the once public service channel. At least Jobs displays no false modesty, but the two figures share the ability to blow their own images out of all proportion matched only by their own inflated senses of self-worth.

It is no coincidence that two bright, Ozymandian figures should complement each other, though I preferred the Fry who spoke for the FSF - even if it was with only passing sincerity.

A logophile, that's what you are!
 
As annoying as he is, he's pulled off the status as the UK's number one celebrity Apple fan very well.

It's amazing how plugging the iPhone on This Morning and Top Gear gets you known as an Apple fan publicly, and the celebrity status takes care of the rest .... and the bill. Although seriously, I am more than aware he's been using the Mac since dot.
 
kernkraft said:
I noticed it too. I also noticed that some threads have a few or a few dozens posts and over a thousand views.

The iPad hype brought in a lot of viewers, but now it's wearing off, I think. Everybody's getting tired, ideas get repeated and statements recycled. Finally, people get a life! Actually, that sounds pretty good: Don't get an iPad - Get a life!


About Sony... they have done a much wider range with significantly more products. They can keep their head up.

About Fry... so he's got a website... very genuine... how un-self... oh, God, I JUST HATE THE MAN!

Upon seeing all the positive iPad and HTML5 news, a lot of the trolls have left. These forums have been infested with trolls and moaners, and the drop in activity just goes to show how many of them there were. Apple is proven right once again, and these individuals have moved on to greener pastures where they can share their state of denial with others.
 
Upon seeing all the positive iPad and HTML5 news, a lot of the trolls have left.

Upon seeing all the iPad news, a lot of people following Apple Computer are posting less. There are still quite a few folks interested in the (overshadowed) personal computing output of Apple who are prepared to consider or already deploy their products but expect better. People who had no interest in Apple simply wouldn't be posting here.

The net's not a conspiracy of trolls - like communists and terrorists, they're bogeymen to dismiss a dissenting viewpoint.
 
I like Fry and I like Jobs but can we get back down to earth please, this is simply a launch of a fairly low specification new product. It's not revolutionary, yes it may have a nice interface but it's a large iPod touch and not much different to a cross between that and an entry level laptop without the keyboard. I plan to eventually get an iPad (because I do love Apple), but only when they release one with good specification and features that at least compare with a laptop. One thing about Apple that has always annoyed me is the way they dress up the removal or lack of features on a new product, they took away floppy drives when they were still in use, firewire more recently and now the iPad is basically no more than a toy with great marketing. When the novelty of the lovely interface has worn off after an hour, what is the actual use for the device?

I gess... You cannt understand it ...like a MrSoft's gruppie
check up the Apps store ... DUDE !!!:p
 
Ironically, vast majority of people is not using Apple products. Failed execution of the vision?

Its nice to know that Apple still have lots of potential...

what potential does Mr.Soft have???:p
 
I didn't think there could be so many negative comments about Stephen Fry in the world, let alone one thread on macrumors.

As another Brit, I regard him as a national treasure, a wonderful human being who has provided me and others with a plethora of insight, entertainment and joy and I think some of the negative comments about him in this thread are just... weird, frankly.

As far as the article goes, I think some people should try to remember it's in Time Magazine, not Ars Technica, or even Macworld. It's for a general audience, and I think Fry, in that article, sums up many of the points fans of Apple products try to express about as eloquently as anyone has, and more specifically he goes to great lengths to hammer home the central point - that the experience of actually using an iPad is something different, arguably superior, to your expectations and preconceptions before using one. Is he right? I don't know. But he's used one and I haven't, so he has me, and I imagine almost everyone commenting in this thread at a disadvantage in that respect, at least for now.
 
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pooryou said:
I agree. I also think that implying meeting SJ is somehow better than PMs of the world and multiple Presidents is way over the top. Here is a guy who invents electronics and on the other hand are people that at the flip of a switch could destroy the entire world. Yeah, the electronics guy makes me so much more nervous. Whatever, get some real perspective.

That's just crazy talk. Steve Jobs is worth more than 100 of those idiots combined. And I am NOT talking about $$$.

"people that at the flip of a switch could destroy the entire world"

If that's your idea of accomplishing something, that's pretty sad.

Agreed, Jobs is a much more important figure than your average bumble**** stuffed shirt head of state. And even if you want to debate "important," it would be pretty hard to debate that he's more unique, which would make meeting him a lot more interesting (and possibly intimidating).
 
If this becomes a hit, Microsoft will feel they really blew it when they had their tablet 10 years ago. The Tablet is Microsoft's Apple TV hobby.

Ms.Soft Willi did blew it 30 years ago as it starts to copy Macintosh GUI
and are still doing this...:apple:
 
The iPad really bugs me for the reasons that many people like it. I don't want to have emotional attachment to a device and the iPad is just a tool. When did we start interacting with things instead of with people? Don't get me wrong, I like technology but I would much rather have good relationships with my friends and family than with an inanimate "magical" device.
 
As another Brit, I regard him as a national treasure
Oh, Tyrone, you straight-talking ethnic stereotype, I'm a national treasure! And I speak for Twinings because I just like it so much!

the experience of actually using an iPad is something different, arguably superior, to your expectations and preconceptions before using one.
But Fry's preconception of Apple is that they churn out Amazing. Look at how he exalts Jobs. Unless no-one told him that the iPad was made by Apple, his preconception won't be "it'll suck".

As for me, the last time I was pleasantly surprised by an Apple experience was when using the classical iPod wheel. The iPhone works but is mostly eyecandy on a routine touchscreen experience - the first time I got a real go on one following recommendations from friends, I was underwhelmed. Mobile Safari's pan/zoom is nice but still horrible compared to browsing on a normal screen. I got my first palmtop, the Psion Series 3a, in 1992, and it's way more usable than the iPhone. I used a Psion to read mail and chat over the 'net [edit] around '98, then got my own WAP 'phone a year later - unlike the iPhone, it tethered properly from day one! Over the next two-three years, I tried several Palm PDAs and a Compaq, none of which I could really find a use for, and soon after I got a tablet PC. The tablet PC was useful for quite a while, tbh, helping with the RSI, but I haven't seen anything useful that the iPad is offering that I couldn't have done with this unit half a decade ago.

Speaking of Apple UI design, who forgets the first time they learnt that copying over an existing folder in Finder removes the original entirely, rather than merging? This breaking of the principle of least surprise forms the cornerstone of my experience with OS X: it often does something other than I expect. Like GNOME of the GNU/Linux project, it suffers from UI designers thinking they know what's best, rather than building around the user.
 
okli said:
Its nice to know that Apple still have lots of potential...

what potential does Mr.Soft have???:p

Bad knockoffs of Apple products. It's a huge growth industry.
 

Sorry, what is your point there exactly?


But Fry's preconception of Apple is that they churn out Amazing. Look at how he exalts Jobs. Unless no-one told him that the iPad was made by Apple, his preconception won't be "it'll suck".

True, but that's irrelevant to to the point I was making, which was Fry has used one, and we haven't. He empirically knows he loves it, you are presuming you won't. His point was that actually using one will be what convinces people who so far haven't.
 
Sorry, what is your point there exactly?
That a national treasure doesn't accept payment to play on a lame racial stereotype to hawk a second rate tablet PCtea from a firm with questionable ethical practices. By definition, a "national treasure" belongs to the people, and when used figuratively to describe a person, it describes someone who works for the good of the nation.

His point was that actually using one will be what convinces people who so far haven't.
Then this is typical Fry: while he knows just how great Apple are, other people's preconceptions will be wrong, and he's there to predict how you will think and to correct you in advance. This might work on the scripted QI with its team of researchers, but in real life he needs to try harder to impress those who go beyond accepting argument by authority. I've gone through various generations of Apple products and it's been a decade since I've been pleasantly surprised.

Maybe he's incapable of understanding technical specifications and inferring from product demonstrations of a familiar system on a larger screen, but I'm fairly sure most people with more than a passing interest in computing have little trouble with it. On these things alone, I've discounted the iPad as useful for me, though of course I need it in my hands to identify what personal niggles or godsends I'll find - another thing no reasonable human needs to be told.

"You need to use it to form an opinion, but, oh, by the way, Jobs > Mandela and the iPad is brilliant!" April 1st, where it belongs.
 
Err, no....

After reading the Time piece and the Inhatko piece it really does strike me that Steve Jobs is the Thomas Edison of our time.

And I am sick with lust for the 3G iPad that I've already ordered. Why oh why am I a hopeless Apple Fanboy???:confused:

Thomas Edison was an inventor. Steve Jobs is a businessman and a marketer. He has great vision and demands a great product, but he is not a single handed idea machine like Thomas Edison. He has come up with some great ideas, no doubt, but he did not carry them out himself like Edison. He leads an innovative company and deserves a lot of credit for that. What he is very, very good at, from what I've read, is evaluating a product as a user. If he loves it, it is almost a given that everyone else will.
 
That a national treasure doesn't accept payment to play on a lame racial stereotype to hawk a second rate tablet PCtea from a firm with questionable ethical practices. By definition, a "national treasure" belongs to the people, and when used figuratively to describe a person, it describes someone who works for the good of the nation.

Well I don't really agree with your definition and I don't know what questionable ethical practices you are on about. But whatever. I'm off to watch QI.
 
But whatever. I'm off to watch QI.
I see he's down to his usual form. It's all very well running off a random list of smart-sounding topics which you claim to be in a fairly challenging book to make it sound live you've read it, Stephen. But conic sections in Euclid's Elements? I don't think so. That was ruler and straightedge all the way. The dilettante powerwords you were looking for are "Archimedes" and "Apollonius".

As an aside, the axiomatisation of geometry in C19 was not unrelated to filling in some imprecision of language and glaring assumptions in Elements. So glaring as to blind a couple of millennia of mathematicians! If the show had surprised the audience by being about non-Euclidean geometry, I'd have been impressed, but no, nothing not covered in a decent high school education.

FWIW, for anyone interested in tackling Elements, I've often made use of the annotated clarku.edu version.
 
Upon seeing all the positive iPad and HTML5 news, a lot of the trolls have left. These forums have been infested with trolls and moaners, and the drop in activity just goes to show how many of them there were. Apple is proven right once again, and these individuals have moved on to greener pastures where they can share their state of denial with others.
Upon seeing all the iPad news, a lot of people following Apple Computer are posting less. There are still quite a few folks interested in the (overshadowed) personal computing output of Apple who are prepared to consider or already deploy their products but expect better. People who had no interest in Apple simply wouldn't be posting here.

The net's not a conspiracy of trolls - like communists and terrorists, they're bogeymen to dismiss a dissenting viewpoint.
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