The joke is that Dell said he would shut Apple down and now Dell is worth about $50 billion whereas this company that Dell said should shut down is worth over $2 trillion!
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Steve Jobs Asked Dell to Pre-Install Mac OS on PCs and Pay Hundreds of Millions in Royalties
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With respect Michael Dell is a grifter and nothing else. Jobs dies because he had the same attitude as Jim Henson which was to wait and see regarding his cancer. He thought that simply eating fruit would be ok. He was ignorant not inhumane, there is a big difference.
It is also not a case of being traded a genius but not being branded stupid and dumb like Yahoo that had the chance to buy Google early on for about $1 million and said no as it was not worth it. Err yeah because we all use Yahoo search don't we?
Sometimes in business you make mistakes and can shrug them off but sometimes you make mistakes that are beyond silly and can never be forgotten.
Dell made the latter by saying Apple should be shut down and was not viable even though he was not in charge.
Personal wealth is not important but how much the business is worth is and I got it wrong I though Dell was worth about $50 billion but turns out is about $83 billion which is still dwarfed by Apple.
There is no logic that can be used to pretend that Dell the company is anywhere near as successful as Apple..period!
Michael Dell may be a nice guy and may be cleverer than I am but he was and never will b eon the same level as Jobs was even devote Jobs getting things wrong sometimes.
Yes and good for them even though Michael Dell had to brig it back from the dead didn't he though I am sure that Apple never had it as bad as Dell plus Apple pretty much make more revenue in 6 months than Dell does all year so there is that!
I can say that would not have worked when I worked for Dell. Dell was trying to sell off it's support and basically transition into an online store (since most of their designs are just reference designs). In the time I was there RR5 (the engineering piece) basically died.
Dell's best value add is Next Business Day service. I worked on several teams that tried to sell support for 3rd party products (or introduce them into the Dell system) and it was a hard sell. Most of the people there seemed to think along the lines you are - "We will sell something and throw the customer a phone number to someone else with no accountability for support". The few solutions that did this failed miserably. The one that brought parts and support in house lasted for over a decade.
I would also say there is no way you can compare the two.
Dell is a computer manufacturer that will also act as a store front for other items. Their focus it still mainly computers.
Apple is a lifestyle company that only is minority related to computers. They are a phone company, tablet company, watch company - and actually a lifestyle company.
Don't get me wrong, I 100% prefer Apple, but they are not the same kind of company. Many companies are content to stay in their lane. Just like I don't expect Ford to introduce a gaming computer, I don't expect Dell to make phones.
That's a matter of perspective. If discussing an individual rather than shareholders broadly, as the person being quoted was, then the personal wealth is what is relevant in that specific context. It seems that you misunderstood the quote just as much as the person who posted it. Being able to say I own 0.00000000001% of a $1T company isn't particularly impressive. The company may be worth an enormous sum, but that doesn't do much for my own personal situation. Being able to say I own 50% of a company that I built that's now worth $80 billion is quite impressive.
Nobody said any of the above in the first place, so the rant was unnecessary.
Just the world we live in I suppose. Everything has another or many other meanings. Can't just be so simple and easy.
Was this for the consumer side or the enterprise side? I've been ordering from Dell for at least 17 years. Never seemed or saw any indication they were going to just sell online. I had my Dell reps for years, with transitions of course to new people over that time, but usually due to people moving "up" and some moving "on".
We didn't order Dimension or XPS. Only Optiplex and of course the server lines (intel).
I think if they did do something with Apple like the Optiplex line, and call it just X or something. They could have treated it as well as the Optiplex is for business use. The Small form factor and mini towers would have sold pretty well as a Mac replacement IMO. Since you could upgrade parts (video card being the big one). Even when Apple stopped supporting Nvidia, you could have had plenty of ATi (AMD Radeon) options vs JUST 1 or 2 with Apple today. Workstation level cards would have also had a bigger selection. Heck you could have had an AMD CPU running Mac OS X. Even through this transition period.
However, Dell would have been right that Apple would eventually stop supporting the OS on intel. This transition would have been the last gasp for any clone by Dell. They would have another 4-5 years of support after next years end of the transition. Or Apple would have allowed Dell to fully license the intel Mac OS and then let Dell figure out how to keep it going. Which would not have happened of course.
THat may be true however according to IBm it is cheaper for these same enterprises to buy Mac rather than Windows as Windows PC/Laptop tend to go wrong more often and cost more in terms of fixing, labour costs and part costs and loss of productivity etc when viewed over just 5 years the cost is Windows Pc/Laptop will cost 3 times more than Mac!didn't miss anything, mac might have enticed many in the creative field, but in terms of corporate, mac has little to no footing.
The world’s second-most popular desktop operating system isn’t macOS anymore
Chrome OS’s rise in market share has been swift and decisive.arstechnica.com
So yes whilst Windows is on more devices than MacOS is it is irrelevant if most of them are utter garbage!
by the way I used to use Windows since the days of Windows 3.1 and used to build the darn things and can honestly say that Windows is sheer garbage !
I lost track of the amount of problems that would frequently occur as a result of the truth that Windows is badly designed at it's core!
I would frequently have customers bring their PCs back to me as a result of Windows not being able to function as it should, even going as far forward as Windows 8!
At the end of the day we must remember that Bill Gates was and is no genius and never was or is a good coder and it shows with Microsoft !
Wrong! Amount of cores is not the only measure of a CPU and how good it is!
Also Apple are working on M series CPU with more cores though a far better measure is efficiency in terms of workload and energy consumption in which case Intel still lose!
Apple M1 is based on 5nm and Intel 12th gen is based on 10nm which actually is 14nm in real world as Intel's numbers are not real world ones.
So err no Intel is not and never was on top!
Your reply is dumb as it fails to understand the basic rule in business is NOT how many units you ship but what profits you make!
Android sells more units than IOS but IOS accounts for over 90% of global profits from smartphones, so end of debate!
That still has **** all to do with humanity and has no bearing at all, so once again end of debate!
Once again that has **** all to do with humanity or anything else other than Jobs having such belief that he would be fine.
Yes he should have listened to the Drs but hey that was his price to pay at the end of the day and does not make him an evil monster does it?
You can hate him all you like, get jealous all you like and whatever else but he was as human as you and I.
It depends. Are you hard for profits? Customers? Or a good product?
Why would I care apple makes 99% of profits when it’s done unethically and against my interests?
you sound exactly like those Steve Jobs hated. Bean counts only thinking of numbers instead of doing an amazing thing for people.
Do you know what likely grinds peoples gears? An iPone costing as much as a laptop. And because apple can do it everyone have the same crazy profit margins.
the new iPad mini that is almost identical to the iPhone 13 pro max cost 1200$ 256gb
compared to iPad mini for 800$ With 256gb
there is nothing in the iPhone worth 400$ more.
I would be happy if apple cut their margins with 50%
Careful, you might wake up from that dream. Apple is playing a dangerous game. They're trading more professional customers for casual users that are using Macs for reading/writing and the occasional YouTube video or photo touch up. I've been using Apple since the 80s, but also Windows/Linux, went with Apple as my main driver since the G4 and the current state of the Apple software ecosystem is the biggest mess I have ever seen.
There is nothing wrong with AS, great chips. But that's not worth anything if the software isn't there. The past 12 months I've seen so many software projects jump the Apple ship as never before. I've had to give up macOS support on several multi-platform projects myself, because it's not feasible to maintain them anymore. I've spoken to plenty of other people in gaming/AI/graphics and it's the same. Many Mac users in that field are jumping the ship, because they can't do their job anymore with Apple. They all love macOS, but that's not enough. A simple MBA is more than enough for what I use macOS these days. We're essentially back in the PPC days, except it's worse.
Not sure about 90%, but in general, yes. But there's a problem as well. A few users leaving the Android ecosystem won't matter much financially. The same amount of users leaving the iOS eco system has a major impact as there are so few users to begin with.
We all know Steve would harshly criticize things and say Apple would never do them and then a few laters Apple would do them
The licensing deal he was going for with Dell would've been a great financial windfall for Apple at the time
Um, it was one of these types of deals that saved Apple.... except that is was Microsoft that bailed them out. Had Jobs not got on his proverbial knees in Redmond, there probably wouldn't be an Apple today because they were literally hemorrhaging cash, tons of debt... OSX and the i-devices and software that turned them around would never have made it to market without Microsoft's money and Jobs dealings.
Jobs being brought back to Apple was a move of desperation after .... and it's not surprising to hear all these stories surfacing lately of how he was literally trying to deal with so many other companies because things for the company were really that desperate after John Scully blew the place up.... and Apple hadn't had a successful product since the Macintosh and a string of expensive failures. Jobs turn around of Apple is just outstanding when you really look at just how bleak the picture was.
Relationship side. Enterprise was workstation servers only. Dimensions were Consumer. Relationship was business level accounts, generally not the home office or 3-4 system company. I was originally one of 10 or so optiplex L2s.
However, the solutions above I helped develop were originally and outgrowth of a custom group that would support anything if the price was right. Like supporting Apple systems for some schools in NY.
Many Unreal/Unity based projects, such as Carla and Airsim and CoppeliaRobotics based projects, ROS2. Those are used for simulation and research. Many are on board with Nvidia now and their Omniverse. Spoke to some game developers during GTC, same there. Blizzard is probably the most discussed here in the forum. You'll find this trend pretty much anywhere in the field of AI and autonomous systems (cars, drones, robots). Audi, Volvo, Continental, Toyota, Honda, Kuka, ABB, the list goes on. This started when Apple abandoned Nvidia and only got worse over time and much worse with the release of the M1 systems. Look at Apples Tensorflow fork... it's a mess. Look further, PyTorch, Matlab, ... even Apple is using Linux for their AI research. Visit a world leading conference, then try to reproduce the results of the authors.
Won't matter to the end user browsing the web and writing emails, but macOS had a large chunk of the scientific research market (except for clusters) in the past few years and that market is shrinking rapidly. Part of this is due to Nvidia offering software no other company has in this field. But part of it is Apple locking down their eco system further and further.