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Those of us who have supported Apple for decades and now think they're going down the wrong path will bloody well speak our minds, thank you very much.

Right on. I miss Apple Computer.

Steve may have brought Apple back with the iMac but that was more than a decade ago. It's time for him to move aside and Apple to get someone who can do justice to its computer business.
 
I find it interesting that everyone comments on flash/silverlight being proprietary and no one talks about H.264 which is required along with HTML 5 to replace flash. This is a proprietary standard which just happens to be owned at least partially by Apple. If you want to argue about the proprietary issues then this has to at least be discussed. I am in the market to buy my first mac in the next month or so if they come out with an i5/i7 macbook pro but I'm not impressed when I see this kind of information and am considering rethinking a purchase. As a possible future purchaser and I own about 4-5 computers which I will eventually replace and possibly my phone as well, this kind of info about Apple doesn't impress me. Still strongly considering but they will really have to impress me with their GRAPHICS options as well as their chips. No ipad for me until they give an SD card slot (expandable storage), support for the current standards, real eInk, and multitasking (which I can do with my blackberry storm, and commonly flip between web, game, messages, applications).

well said.
I do recommend the macbook pro do not buy the plastic crap.
If you are portable then i would go with the notion ink if you need a ereader or the sony prs 600 if you need one now.
If you do not need an ereader then i would get the new lenovo IdeaPad S10-3t I think i will get this instead of the pad since i need a unit that last longer than 10 hrs hase a replaceable battery and an external charger. wish the screen was smaller 10 inch might even get the mini 5? really look for something with a screen less than 7 inch if you want to be mobile. based on my experience with the samsung q1
 
No he is the consumer, that is why the products work so well - the guy at the top cares how well they work, not how much they cost.

I don't see how thats a good thing. Thats why we have all these restrictions. Because Steve wants it.
 
Umm...Multitasking?

It will come. Now that the screen is large enough it will be implemented. Meantime, switching between saved state Apps is so fast it is not much of an issue. Direct switching would be nice but it will come.

Flash support?

Good riddance. I've been browsing the web for years on the iPodTouch/iPhone and never missed having Flash. Good web sites detect what you have and send alternative, working, content if your browser does not have Flash. On my laptop and my son's desktop computer we also browse with plugins turned off. No Flash is great. Flash just gives advertising and useless glitz on most web sites. It is rarely used for anything meaningful or important and it is a resource hog.

Removable battery?

Highly over rated. I used to think this was an issue but we have two iPod Touchs in our home and the battery life is so long that removable batteries is not an issue even after years of extensive use.

Keyboard?

Perhaps you missed this but it will work with a docked keyboard and bluetooth. I see the possibility for a bluetooth mouse also naturally working with it. Just because Steve Jobs didn't demonstrate it doesn't mean it won't be there. It is expandable via WiFi, BlueTooth, connector, etc.
 
soo according to this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymmetric_digital_subscriber_line
your line is not as you stated.
Ok also rarely does dsl ,meet the max speed stated in the wiki page due to many factors. The speed stated is the optimum speed that very few will see.
It's ADSL2+, I see I missed off the + in my original post, sorry about that :)

Performance varies with distance but with a good phone line or being fairly close to the exchange you can get the maximum sync speed, as I do. I'm moving to cable shortly which is 50 megabit, mainly because my phone line provider has pissed me off once too many times, not for the speed increase.
 
It has nothing to do with stability, and everything to do with controlling the apps that can run on Apple devices.

yes - its protecting the app developers and media distributors

If you like piracy more than quality control - there are always a range of windows/linux tablets waiting for your dollar.

Personally, i have missed flash once in 18 months of iPhone use.
And i can work around that.

Farmville just isn't that big a part of my day
 
Whether Steve and Apple want or not... Android is going to take over iPhone and its market :D
Google has released a mobile os which is very close to iPhone... it just needs a couple more years and that's it. iPhone era will be over.

Do people like you just enjoy listening to the sound of your own voice?

Android is going to take over the iPhone market and end the iPhone era?

You know NOTHING, just like the rest of us on here, but when people post their opinions in a prophetic tone, I struggle to hold my bowel movements ... in other words, it's so pedantic it's funny.

You have to love the Internet, it's given every idiot with an over zealous opinion the opportunity to try and sound like they know what they're talking about when they don't.
 
Right on. I miss Apple Computer.

Steve may have brought Apple back with the iMac but that was more than a decade ago. It's time for him to move aside and Apple to get someone who can do justice to its computer business.

mwahaha. That's funny. I'm sure the shareholders would much rather have a niche-tastically unprofitable but neat "computer business" as opposed to rising stock prices.
 
I'm assuming that Apple would rather like you to have an iPhone AND an iPad, that's why there's no GPS etc. That's certainly what I'll be doing.

I'm shocked at the outpouring of hate over this on other forums and in some small way here, however it is very similar to the reaction to the iPhone as many have pointed out.

As for Flash, who cares, I hardly ever miss it on my iPhone so I don't think it'll be very different on the iPad. I also think that may website developers are starting to abandon it simply because it doesn't work on the 75 million devices that are out there.

Remember people with iPhones actually browse the web unlike most of the other smartphone users out there and it's a user base that can't be ignored. I have a number of web based businesses and I would never use Flash for that reason. Add in a few million more iPads and it's going to make a lot more people think twice about using it.

As for the posters that have labelled it an epic fail, that remains to be seen, anything is possible but I honestly would't bet against Steve, he has a bit of track record in this area!
 
doesnt bill gates/microsoft own a large percentage of apples stock rendering the companys decisions somewhat limiting? somebody correct me on this, but ive had friends tell me microsoft owns a large chunk of apples stock so they cant do whatever they like.

either way though, no matter what apple is making, its peanuts compared to microsoft.

Microsoft own(ed?)s non-voting share in Apple. They do not make company decisions.
 
...I suspect the iPad is for everyone on the planet who is not currently (apple's) customer.

Who needs a tablet that runs the closed iPhone OS? Maybe not MR readers, but perhaps the millions of people for whom even OS X and Win 7 are still too complex.

Let me start by saying everyone has different needs, and evaluates solutions differently. So those who hate the iPad can hate it, others can love it.

But my take on the device is quite diff from yours, Nilonym. I'm pretty famiiar with OSX. I own and use fairly thoroughly a MBP, an :apple:TV, and an iPhone. I plan to get an iPad and integrate it into my computing life as follows:

I'll continue to move my MBP back and forth between my homes in two states, when i make those moves half a dozen times each year.

But for my many "road trips" from those bases, I'll take the iPad. I'll still be able to do all the stuff i'd do with my MBP on those trips: email, calendar, mapquest, look up contacts, browse to my heart's content, edit or create documents and spread sheets, and much more, thanks to 140,000 apps! And I'll be able to do everything i can do with my iPhone, but in more satisfying ways due to that extra real estate (I'll still carry the phone, of course). Depending upon how the virtual kbd works, and upon the work i anticipate doing on a given road trip, i might take a BT kbd or the iPad kbd & dock, too. The MBP will stay at home base. I'll be hauling about a third of the weight, and half the volume, with no loss in functionality.

When I'm at home base, the iPad will be a much more convenient device to use for everything except intensive projects: It'll be great to have with me on the couch, in bed, on the patio, in the garage. Yep, the MBP could be there, could do that. But now i can leave it plugged in at my desk and have a lighter device with me, with functions better tailored to those around-the-house or around-the-motel-room needs. Heck, I'll be much more likely to throw it in the car for the day, and I'll have it with me if i stop by a friend's house for a while, or a restaurant for lunch, places i'd enjoy being able to connect, yet occasions I'd never have the MBP handy.

And I'll get a big benefit because the iPad will allow me to restructure my computing tools: I got the 13" MPB for reasons of size, because i travel so much. Once i have an iPad, I'll switch to a 15" MBP, or even a 17": I'll have superior screen real estate for all the hours i put in at my desk, doing serious work on the MBP. The extra size/weight won't matter, 'cause it'll only be moving back and forth a handful of times each year, not hauled on every trip i take. My uses are mostly pleasure (I'm retired) but to me this scenario would make lots of sense for road warriors (I was one) too.

Summary: It's a great product for me. I suspect millions of others will come to that same conclusion for their own lifestyles.
 
Showing The Way Forward To Blind Luddites

...is a pointless exercise.

The majority of people in the world can only conceive of the future in terms of what they already know. In other words, change comes hard to those who only view the world thru their "rear view mirror".

It is actually entertaining and expected.....to see the monkeys howling.

So very predictable.:cool:
 
I don't see how thats a good thing. Thats why we have all these restrictions. Because Steve wants it.

The restrictions are worth the sacrifice for me.

Small price to pay for such attentive quality control.
 
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Nexus One better? Say that to mine which is dead after 8 days of ownership. :(

I love the Android platform and the Nexus One hardware but I can't help but feel that htc and Google could have put a bit more testing in the device before rekeasing it. I've seen a few posts oline where other Nexus Ones have died in the same way. I just hope that it isn't a widespread problem.

Did you take care of your $530 phone? Or did you just smash it against a brick wall because it doesn't have a A:apple:le logo on it?
 
Also, flash crashing is more a problem on Apples side. Safari is the worst piece of crap when coming to Flash. I'm sure even Explorer does a better job.
 
The Apple/Google dynamic is turning out to be really fascinating. They are, more than any other companies, I think, the two that are going to shape the future of mainstream computing, so it's expected that they'll butt heads every now and then, I think. But there are also huge areas of cooperation between them, e.g. web standards.

Apple hasn't a had a serious rival in a while (the Microsoft stuff has been just formulaic for over a decade now). It will be interesting to see them in full fight mode.

Absolutely correct.

These quotes from Jobs have me really looking forward to the 2010 updates.
Can't wait to know about the Macs and iPhone 4.:apple::apple::apple:
 
Let's stick to the facts, iPad that sucks! Apple is getting the message from all of us who are dissapointed. I completely respect the people who are ok with iPad as it is but what about us? the rest of the people that expected more from the 2500$-priced-laptop-company!!!

Dont believe rumours or articles from journalists. If steve trusts hiself and believes in A+ (and plans to do so) let him make an announcement in public and not to pay articles from pseudojournalists like Gizmodo/Macworld.

Lets stick to iPad-Apple is getting the message! iPad needs serious work before April!
Lets stick to iPad-Apple is getting the message! iPad needs serious work before April!
Lets stick to iPad-Apple is getting the message! iPad needs serious work before April!
Lets stick to iPad-Apple is getting the message! iPad needs serious work before April!
Lets stick to iPad-Apple is getting the message! iPad needs serious work before April!
Lets stick to iPad-Apple is getting the message! iPad needs serious work before April!
Lets stick to iPad-Apple is getting the message! iPad needs serious work before April!
Lets stick to iPad-Apple is getting the message! iPad needs serious work before April!
Lets stick to iPad-Apple is getting the message! iPad needs serious work before April!
Lets stick to iPad-Apple is getting the message! iPad needs serious work before April!
Lets stick to iPad-Apple is getting the message! iPad needs serious work before April!
Lets stick to iPad-Apple is getting the message! iPad needs serious work before April!
Do you copy? Someone in here is from Cupertino? Come on guys! We give our money (and they are a lot) to this company? Why not to demand for more that supposed to give us in the first place? No! We want take the 2nd Gen either if it still sucks from its competitors. Apple wants to be called company of innovation. Where is the magical and the phenomenal in a wide iPod Touch?Here in Mac Rumors before the release there was an article that said: Apple let us know whatever it wants, when it wants! So dear Apple you let us know about something new, something revolutionary and you pay us back with that?

In Italy 58% of the polls say iPad suck.
87% in Germany that they would not buy an iPad
In Great Britain 98%!!!!!!!!!!! are dissapointed.

Do you here Apple? Ofcourse you do, since members here in MacRumors are paid to post positive comments, (i would do the same if i was CEO Steve :) )

Lets stick to iPad-Apple is getting the message! iPad needs serious work before April!
Lets stick to iPad-Apple is getting the message! iPad needs serious work before April!
Lets stick to iPad-Apple is getting the message! iPad needs serious work before April!
Lets stick to iPad-Apple is getting the message! iPad needs serious work before April!
Lets stick to iPad-Apple is getting the message! iPad needs serious work before April!

You wont make a fortune selling a little-mini Crap. And Mr. Turner that you are the chief investor of Apple, say bb to your money! Look at real investors here:
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=107625083&source=Newsfeed
 
The restrictions are worth the sacrifice for me.

Small price to pay for such attentive quality control.

So you are saying that OS X is of poor quality and would be a poor experience on the tablet.

I'm pro-choice. What I run on my device should be my business, and I resent Apple forcing their sales channels on me.
 
Also, flash crashing is more a problem on Apples side. Safari is the worst piece of crap when coming to Flash. I'm sure even Explorer does a better job.

No, it's not. Flash is crashing and bringing down safari. Look at the crash dumps. Happens on firefox and chrome, too.
 
Misguided Microsoft Fanboy

doesnt bill gates/microsoft own a large percentage of apples stock rendering the companys decisions somewhat limiting? somebody correct me on this, but ive had friends tell me microsoft owns a large chunk of apples stock so they cant do whatever they like. either way though, no matter what apple is making, its peanuts compared to microsoft.

You need to find some new sources of information whose careers don't depend on Microsoft.

1) Microsoft doesn't currently own ANY Apple stock, let alone "a large percentage".

2) So, NO, Microsoft can in no way limit Apple's company decisions.

3) Microsoft purchased $150 million in non-voting Apple stock back in 1997 as a defensive move when they (Microsoft) were being investigated for Anti-Trust Violations.

4) Microsoft subsequently sold their Apple stock in 2001 and made about $10 million (about 7%) profit.

5) Had Microsoft kept their Apple stock, of course, it would be worth a heck of lot more today, representing several billion dollars worth of missed profits for Microsoft investors.

6) Apple makes peanuts compared to Microsoft?
Apple is currently valued at about $149B and Microsoft $222B. So MS is only worth about 1.49X as much as Apple.
Apple has a profit to earnings ratio of 25.65 vs. only 13.05 for Microsoft.
Apple's quarterly earnings growth year over year was 49.8% while Microsoft's was -18.3%!
Read that last stat - that was a negative eighteen percent.



:rolleyes:
 
Uhm, so Apple is in a pissing match with both Adobe and Google.... Great....

This is actually very good for users and developers. Pissing matches and competition bring out the creative juices, lower prices and expand market shares for the winners. Monopolies are the problem.

As to Flash, sorry, but only a retard would purchase a web-browsing product without Flash support.

Really? Given statistics I'm willing to wager my IQ is several deviations higher than yours. I run with Flash turned off and I bought not one but two iPod Touches which come with web-browsing products without Flash support. They work great. So by your logic I am a retard. That makes you less than a retard. Cute. Try a less emotional argument.
 
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