Steve Jobs at Apple Town Hall Meeting, Google, Adobe, Next iPhone, 2010 Macs and More

[Virtuon]

Weak and closed. That's not my tomorrow

Please tell me, what constitutes an open platform device? Specifically use Windows as an example, and compare it to Mac OS.

I must be ill-informed on this whole "open" fad. To me, it's like allowing spectators to make up their own rules for sports.

I challenge you to educate me...

 

[*LTD*]

If you step back and think carefully about what SJ said, it'll dawn on you that he's absolutely right. Except that it's a rather painful truth. But we need people like SJ to shake things up and tell us in which direction we need to go. Because if it were up to a lot of us, we'd find ourselves doing the Average User a monumental disservice down the road.

 

[davidbrummy]

Of course

This analyst is predicting that Android might overtake the iPhone in 2012, while also claiming that the iPhone market share will grow from 10.8 per cent to 13.7 per cent.

I was looking for sources to backup the claim that many experts were predicting the demise of the iPhone within three years.

Do you mean Android or the Nexus? You can not compare Android sales to iPhone. Android is an OS on multiple devices just like Windows and PCs. The iPhone is a single device with a few different models.

 

[benjo765]

....As for the comment about Blu-Ray... I don't get it. Tons of people have Blu-Ray players or PS3's. They're as cheap as DVD's now. What more do you want, Steve?!

Agreed. Even if there are issues implementing them in laptops/ bugs etc, they should by this point be in Mac Pro's at the very least. It's starting to look a little bit silly that they don't have any blu-ray support still. The format war finished, people are going HD - it's a technology company's job to stay ahead of the curve!

 

[Hankus]

Please tell me, what constitutes an open platform device? Specifically use Windows as an example, and compare it to Mac OS.

I must be ill-informed on this whole "open" fad. To me, it's like allowing spectators to make up their own rules for sports.

Please inform me...

I make an app, I want to package it and sell it however I damn well want to, just like app makers on any computer platform. I own a device and need an app, so I go wherever I damn well want to, to get one. Informed?

 

[charlituna]

- All TV episodes, SD / HD, $0.99. For the first 24 hours following the airing of an episode, the episode in SD / HD should cost $1.99.
Similar to the way new music costs $1.29 for a time, TV show episodes should cost $1.99 for the first day, maybe 2 days. Then immediately drop to $0.99

wrong way. if you drop the price a few days later, folks will just wait.

what they should do is have the option to make them cheaper the first 2-3 days when folks want to get them in volume so they can stand around the watercooler and not be spoiled by co-workers.

(with the caveat that they need to make sure the servers can handle higher demand and get those things up by like midnight so it can be downloaded to my computer by morning and I can sync it to my ipad for the morning commute while i'm in the shower and such)

 

[AAPLaday]

It's not a chair, it's a stool. Would you enjoy working on a stool? Most do not. Same as for the dildo.
The new chair is not good. It's decent. It may feel good because it doesn't hurt your spinal cord. Or your...you know.

But your point was microsoft aren't doing well despite posting record figures for the quarter and having fastest selling OS? If vista had been as good as windows 7 then i would never have gotten an imac.

 

[Yamcha]

Looking forward to the new imacs, the rest doesn't interest me..

 

[Virtuon]

Droid by Motorola > IPhone

Android OS > IPhone OS

Apple's iTunes Market > Googles Android Market

It's easy to say one thing is better than the other, but I'd like to see your reasoning. Do you have any reasoning, or is it just delusion?

 

[ungraphic]

Optical media is on it's way out, Bluray is just the next mini disc.

Thats quite the bold prediction. Media Disc failed in the end because it was so closed off by Sony, they didnt allow the discs to be used as storage, required shady software to transfer music when they introduced NetMD, and the atrac format was also closed off. The really sad part about it all is that MD was way ahead of its time, ATRAC is still technically a great format, especially for its and given it at the time it was WAY ahead of the game, its just that sony killed its potential.

I probably would have used MD into 2005 or longer had Sony opened up the entire format; swapping discs was easy, the capacity of hi-md was reasonable, but best of all, ATRAC was very easy on battery life which is what lured me into MD back in the days. At the size MD players/recorders were and their battery life, the technology was great.

I still have my Sony MZ-N910 in orange, but i never use it. I'm keeping it though as a time peice....


As for bluray, it doesnt have nearly as many restrictions as MD, primarily being used as storage, which is why I know it wont be phased out. 50gb per disc (or more) is a ton of space to throw on a bunch of divx movies and have a nice catalogue on a single disc to play off your TV....among other possibilities.

 

[iDisk]

If you step back and think carefully about what SJ said, it'll dawn on you that he's absolutely right. Except that it's a rather painful truth. But we need people like SJ to shake things up and tell us in which direction we need to go. Because if it were up to a lot of us, we'd find ourselves doing the Average User a monumental disservice down the road.

+1 Agreed

 

[WilliamLondon]

What do you want it to do that it doesn't do today?

They need to start making products FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS instead of FOR THEMSELVES. Apple rose to popularity because their stuff was better, and it filled a need.Who needs a tablet that runs the closed iPhone OS? Give us the tablet we want, one that runs a full open os where we can install what we like, bought where we like. Steve realizes he miscalculated this one, and now he's lashing out / justifying. Reminds me of "Pirates of Silicon Valley".

I'd like to ask a question - what will this device *not* do that you want to do? I don't mean, "install whatever I want." I mean, what tasks will it *not* perform that you want it to perform?

 

[admanimal]

You know when villains lose their **** in mangas, animes, movies, cartoons, etc...? They lose their **** because their opponent poses a threat.

Steve Jobs, lost his ****... he is feeling threatened... but I don't care! Cause I will be buying Google and Apple products! LOL HAAAAA

If he made these comments during the actual keynote, or in any public forum for that matter, then you might have a point. These are the kinds of statements that Steve Ballmer (clearly a villain) makes in public all the time and he has clearly lost his mind.

However, Jobs was speaking to Apple employees with the intentions of rallying the troops for the upcoming year.

 

[jemeinc]

LOL no!!! apple bought those back years ago!

And what's more is that MS purchasing that stock was NOT to save Apple, as the urban legend goes.. That whole stock option purchase was for marketing purposes.. MS did NOT "save Apple" by doing this- that was never even the purpose.. The purpose was to save MS's investment into Office:Mac.. By the time this took place Apple was past their financial troubles- when I say past I mean they were out of debt & no longer rumored to be closing any day now- not sitting on 42 billion like these days, obviously, but back on stable ground..

Recognizing this, MS & Apple worked this deal to show that MS believed in them so much that not only were they continuing to develop office for the mac platform they would invest in it.. Many people over the years have taken that to mean Apple needed that money to survive- they absolutely didn't.. It was a smart move for both companies that was more about perception than anything else.. And, as you said, those stocks were quietly purchased back years ago..

Smart move by both companies, but definitely a very misunderstood one..

 

[Virtuon]

I make an app, I want to package it and sell it however I damn well want to, just like app makers on any computer platform. I own a device and need an app, so I go wherever I damn well want to, to get one. Informed?

Then nothing is open, if you have to make a specific app for the specific OS?
So, what makes Windows open and not Mac OS? Is it not true that you have to make separate apps for each OS, and that Apps from Windows are only usable on Windows?

Furthermore, can't App developers create their Apps for Mac, place them on their website, and allow any mac user to buy one at their designated price?

Or am I off?

 

[IntelliUser]

But your point was microsoft aren't doing well despite posting record figures for the quarter and having fastest selling OS? If vista had been as good as windows 7 then i would never have gotten an imac.

No, my point is that the only reason why they're doing well is because they've done bad to the customers in the past.

 

[Journojulz]

My point was that the principles of the company have radically changed over the last 20 years. From making great products to dominating markets. When the goal is dominating markets it's obviously a wet dream for shareholders, but customers needs get lost, and that's when the decline starts.

What i have seen in my time with apple is an evolution of great products increasing market share and building great products with the proceedings.

They are still a niche computer maker, but have gone stellar with some awesome 'techless tech'.

 

[HowardRoarke]

Completely disagree. Had the original iPhone. Now use the 3gs. It is much better. How can you say the original was better when it had more limited software and was noticeably slower? When I go back and use the original now it seems clunky and slow.

he gave the original an A and the 3g and A+ defending your claim, the 3gs dropped to the C because it didn't continute the significant advancement trend

 

[sjo]

I have many doubt about this ipad.

1. It is obviously adressed to the mass, right?

I don't see how it's targeted to the mass. The mass doesn't buy iphones, macbooks or ipads, they buy cheapo flip phone and dell laptops.

Apple products are upscale products with a matching price tag.

The people most interested in ipad seem to be those who have imac and iphone and want something to keep on living room table to surf the net during comercial breaks while watching tv (or in toilet).

Global mass market products sell hundreds of millions of units annually, ipad will not get anywhere near mass market status...

 

[Nilonym]

Do you mean Android or the Nexus? You can not compare Android sales to iPhone. Android is an OS on multiple devices just like Windows and PCs. The iPhone is a single device with a few different models.

I'm not making the comparison. I was asking for substantiation for this claim:

It's a pity that iPhone OS days are set... exactly three years according to some experts.

I was simply pointing out that the linked article did not substantiate, or even address, the claim.

 

[iAmLegend]

New Macs for 2010 are going to take Apple to the next level

Yay

Blu-Ray software is a mess, and Apple will wait until sales really start to take off before implementing it.

Awww

 

[steve-p]

I'd like to ask a question - what will this device *not* do that you want to do? I don't mean, "install whatever I want." I mean, what tasks will it *not* perform that you want it to perform?

Internet banking for a start - my bank uses a security plugin that is supported in every browser on OS X, but not in Mobile Safari. And no I'm not going to switch banks - they may all end up like that eventually anyway.

 

[spencers]

- Apple will deliver aggressive updates to iPhone that Android/Google won't be able to keep up with
- iPad is up there with the iPhone and Mac as the most important products Jobs has been a part of
- Regarding the Lala acquisition, Apple was interested in bringing those people into the iTunes team
- Next iPhone coming is an A+ update
- New Macs for 2010 are going to take Apple to the next level
- Blu-Ray software is a mess, and Apple will wait until sales really start to take off before implementing it.

Ugh. The iPad was such a letdown that I'm not even excited over this.

 

[Hankus]

Then nothing is open, if you have to make a specific app for the specific OS?
So, what makes Windows open and not Mac OS? Is it not true that you have to make separate apps for each OS, and that Apps from Windows are only usable on Windows?

Furthermore, can't App developers create their Apps for Mac, place them on their website, and allow any mac user to buy one at their designated price?

Or am I off?

Virtuon, I have no idea what you're talking about. I didn't say anything about Windows, I didn't compare Windows to OS X, I'm talking about the iPhone OS on the tablet.

 

[gibbz]

They need to start making products FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS instead of FOR THEMSELVES. Apple rose to popularity because their stuff was better, and it filled a need.Who needs a tablet that runs the closed iPhone OS? Give us the tablet we want, one that runs a full open os where we can install what we like, bought where we like. Steve realizes he miscalculated this one, and now he's lashing out / justifying. Reminds me of "Pirates of Silicon Valley".

I would say they are doing a good job, given their last earnings report.

Exactly how successful have tablets running a desktop OS with superficial touch on top been in the past decade? Exactly. This device is a new paradigm of product, not the same old failed products of the past.

I think a lot of the hatred toward the mobile OS lies in people who started with Mac back when they were mainly in the desktop OS business. Now they feel neglected. However, you can't argue with Apple's priorities given this:

I am still not sure how Steve knows he miscalculated anything given that the device hasn't launched yet.