Steve Jobs at Apple Town Hall Meeting, Google, Adobe, Next iPhone, 2010 Macs and More

[cmaier]

I don't think that 1ghz processor and whatever the limited amount of RAM the ipad has will be able to handle a decent application with 300dpi images.

LOL. People were word processing, using spreadsheets, playing games, etc. for many many years prior to the advent of 1GHz processors. The iPad likely has much more RAM and a faster processor and faster graphics than many PCs did 5 years ago. There will be a TON of useful apps that will be much more impressive than iPhone apps. I've been playing around in the simulator with the new sdk, and there's some impressive stuff there.

 

[ungraphic]

Wrong. I also work with publishers and they don't entirely rely on In-Design anymore. Times are changing and money is tight. More and more publishers are offering in house touch up services (CMYK conversion for example) as a way to get more advertising revenue. I have created ads using Pages, converted them to PDF and sent them on to the publisher. The results look great.

BTW-I also get by just fine with Photoshop Elements. It's not always the software but the person using it to create results.

I look forward to the next iWork update.

Hard to believe a credibly company would use pages for any design work and send off a PDF from pages for print. I've been in graphic design for years, its my profession (photography second) and never have i seen anyone use pages or ms word for actual print. All of it has always been either collected for output via quark, indesign or a simple PDF file (sometimes AI depending on the printers). Does pages even allow any advanced controls before outputting to PDF? Does it handle bleeds, trapping, etc?

Its not impossible to use pages, but from a graphic designers POV, assuming youre serious, using pages is the absolute most amateur method ive ever heard.

 

[LagunaSol]

Google is a federated company (sure seems like it) that is only differentiated by its size. It has no actual style or overarching design philosophy to speak of.

They have no taste and don't put much culture into their products. They're not unlike another large company we're all familiar with.

As much as I've really liked Google over the years, I agree with this assessment - they're a patchwork quilt of fragmented projects and ever-beta products. I doubt their CEO is aware of half the stuff they're trying to "sell" right now. "What, we're announcing a new phone? Why wasn't I informed???"

The only difference between them these days and that "other large company" of which you speak is Google at least has the honesty to stamp their beta products as such while that "other company" just ships its betas as final products.

Gotta run, I'm working on a new hit tune in Songsmith...

 

[ungraphic]

LOL. People were word processing, using spreadsheets, playing games, etc. for many many years prior to the advent of 1GHz processors. The iPad likely has much more RAM and a faster processor and faster graphics than many PCs did 5 years ago. There will be a TON of useful apps that will be much more impressive than iPhone apps. I've been playing around in the simulator with the new sdk, and there's some impressive stuff there.

The software requirements and capabilities allowed for it to run on hardware below the 1ghz mark back then. Of course Photoshop ver. 4 could run on hardware below 1ghz. It was a simpler application back then.

I suppose i can see very limited versions of hardcore software being released, but again, inaccurate touchscreen, limited RAM and software limitation wont do any justice. Like I said before, might as well get a real Tablet.

 

[Eric S.]

And what does any of that have to do with "it's time for Steve Jobs to go?"

"[The iPad] will be the most important thing I’ve ever done." Obviously not the attitude that's going to put top priority on computer products.

 

[akadmon]

I'm a photographer. I see the iPad as useless, completely. Heres why;

1) No professional photographer, or even amateur would want to use Crayola Software to touch up photos before sending off to a publisher. This is why lightroom/photoshop is used.

Let me preface my post by saying that I'm just a hobbyist photographer. I don't look to the iPad to provide me the editing tools that even remotely approach the features of Lightroom, let alone those of Photoshop. However, I'm tempted to buy an iPad for backup and for viewing my photos while traveling. I'd rather not drag my laptop with me on vacation just to have the ability to backup. With the iPad I could potentially have two backups, e.g., I could upload my photos to flickr. Seeing as I shoot raw, I will probably go for the 64 gig model (I tend to go away for 2 or more weeks when I do).

 

[Eidorian]

LOL. People were word processing, using spreadsheets, playing games, etc. for many many years prior to the advent of 1GHz processors. The iPad likely has much more RAM and a faster processor and faster graphics than many PCs did 5 years ago. There will be a TON of useful apps that will be much more impressive than iPhone apps. I've been playing around in the simulator with the new sdk, and there's some impressive stuff there.

Any recent office suite that doesn't use fancy graphics can run on 10 year old hardware easily.

Though 5 years ago I was using an Athlon XP, 1 GB of RAM, and a Radeon 9600. You think an iPad can beat that?

 

[Gatesbasher]

Its off topic, but for the record, Bill Gates doesn't deserve much of the fortune anyways.

As a company, Microsoft is more evil than some of the other tech companies we see today. And Bill Gates is very cunning and con artist. If it was some other company, some of the MS executive will go to jail. Its all under Bill Gates super vision.

The whole saga about QDOS (Quick and Dirty Operating System, renamed to MSDOS ofcourse) licensing to IBM is a case in point. He slowly leaked bugs to news papers about CP/M in a controlled manner (over the period of time) to the press so that IBM executives will give up on CP/M and invest in QDOS. And his Mom knew a few IBM executives as well.

Also, there is a famous anecdote about how Paul Allen overheard Gates and Ballmer discussing Allen's health and how they can get hold of his shares if Allen were to die . Link


Also, he gave a huge charitable contribution to HIV in India (very commendable), but literally used that visit to India to kill off Linux in India (by giving more $$ to some indian companies/govt agencies than the Charitable amount). I cant find the exact link, but here is the close one


Though I do have the respect for the foundation, I lost respect for Bill Gates after hearing about Paul Allen's story. So he made all this money in a lot of semi-con ways, so he should give it away.

Oh, I agree completely. I meant I don't really hate Bill Gates on a personal level, but Microsoft has been a criminal enterprise for at least the last 20 years.

(The origin of DOS (86DOS) was as a probably-illegal port of CP/M to the 16-bit processor by a small company call Seattle Computer Products. Bill Gates borrowed enough money from his friends and his rich parents to buy them out, Gary Killdall was "flying his plane" when IBM came calling, and the rest, as they say, is history.)

I don't know what it is about the Seattle area that spawns such sociopathic corporations. We've given the world Boeing, PACCAR, and now Microsoft. (I know people like to hate on Starbuck's too, but I'm not giving up my coffee.)

 

[ungraphic]

I'd rather not drag my laptop with me on vacation just to have the ability to backup.

You know, a regular macbook isnt that much bigger.....thicker, yes, but otherwise, not much. Could look into a netbook as well, about the same size, but again, thicker.

Thickness imo is the least important, its length and width that really determinse how portable a device is.

 

[Yankee617]

Releasing the stranglehold of networks service providers.

Well that is the chip that they should use. Everyone should use something like that so we can forget about who has what network and are free to choose. I'm at the point now that I will believe it when I see it because Apple continues to make it sound like they are AT&T exclusive to the end no matter what happens in the market.

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscent...ows_chance_to_push_atandt_on_3g_failings.html

They are not even taking AT&T to task for their spotty 3G coverage and other network issues. Cook makes things sound like everything is just peachy with AT&T. Now I see why AT&T doesn't want to spend the money to build a better network... Apple doesn't even care if it works well or not!

To me, the most exciting bit of news related to the iPad launch was the fact of $30/month unlimited data (with no contract and no voice plan) and the support of VoIP over 3G. It seems to me that the whole SmartPhone revolution (principally the Apple/iPhone and the Google/Android) is finally starting to release the stranglehold that networks (both traditional phone companies and cable companies) have long had on the public.

Unfortunately, the more traditional phone makers (including Nokia, RIM, Motorola, etc) have completely failed to make any progress in releasing this stranglehold. I applaud all that Apple and Google have done in the past few years... and I expect them to go much further in the next few years. Hopefully they'll receive support from the traditional phone makers (but I suspect Nokia, RIM, Motorola and others are not sufficiently innovative or agile to keep up with Apple and Google).

We're clearly not "there" yet... but I look forward to the day when we can buy various devices (smart phones, laptops, etc) capable of connecting to a network without any interference from the network service providers... and the network service providers compete directly on service/price/terms for delivering bits (without telling you "these bits are voice bits, those bits are text bits, the other bits are web bits, etc").

Imagine if TV's were like this. You first go to CableVision and they sell you a subsidized TV set (that only works on their network) together with a 2 year service contract.

 

[cmaier]

"[The iPad] will be the most important thing I’ve ever done." Obviously not the attitude that's going to put top priority on computer products.

Dude - it's called marketing. You think he's going to say what he's really thinking? And, again, whether steve jobs has to go or not has nothing to do with whether you don't like his priorities.

 

[ungraphic]

Any office suite that doesn't use fancy graphics can run on 10 year old hardware easily.

Though 5 years ago I was using an Athlon XP, 1 GB of RAM, and a Radeon 9600. You think an iPad can beat that?

Yeah, I shoulda have mentioned, Office Suites dont require high specced computers. They already got iworks onto the iPad. Its not much of an accomplishment.

 

[AidenShaw]

The only difference between them these days
and that "other large company" of which you speak is Google at least
has the honesty to stamp their beta products as such while that
"other company" just ships its betas as final products.

Right. Have Imacs started shipping again, and how's 10.6.3 coming along?

 

[LagunaSol]

You should look into critical thinking. Its a good character trait to have.

Your business website could use some work.

The software requirements and capabilities allowed for it to run on hardware below the 1ghz mark back then. Of course Photoshop ver. 4 could run on hardware below 1ghz. It was a simpler application back then.

Speaking of critical thinking, nice U-turn there. cmaier correctly points out that pros were doing pro work for years on machines with less power than the iPad. You backpedal by waxing nostalgic about simpler times.

Perhaps a well-designed app without all the bloat and feature-itis required to sell software upgrades these days would work just fine on an iPad-type device, hmm?

 

[Thex1138]

Popular

Well I can see by the talk in recent times that iPad will be a popular item for the year to come!

 

[cmaier]

Any recent office suite that doesn't use fancy graphics can run on 10 year old hardware easily.

Though 5 years ago I was using an Athlon XP, 1 GB of RAM, and a Radeon 9600. You think an iPad can beat that?

I said "many" not all I'm guessing the iPad has half the RAM, half the CPU performance. As far as the graphics, not sure since we have zero data.

I designed part of that chip (Athlon XP).

 

[Eidorian]

Right. Have Imacs started shipping again, and how's 10.6.3 coming along?

At least I can use my Snow Leopard disc for a hackintosh...

I said "many" not all I'm guessing the iPad has half the RAM, half the CPU performance. As far as the graphics, not sure since we have zero data.

I designed part of that chip (Athlon XP).

Barton was a good core. I got the 2800+. It was so cheap too compared to Pentium 4. I believe machine ran $600-700.

 

[LagunaSol]

They already got iworks onto the iPad. Its not much of an accomplishment.

"They already did it so it totally like must have been a piece of cake!"

More foot-in-mouth disease, and your condition is getting more serious. Try a little meat tenderizer - it makes chewing that boot leather a little more palatable. Or are you up to the laces by now?

Right. Have Imacs started shipping again, and how's 10.6.3 coming along?

I have no idea. I've yet to attain "Daily Fax Update" status like you have with Redmond.

How's Vista SP3, err, 7 treating you?

 

[RazHyena]

I'm hoping all the AT&T people who use iPhone Jump ship to other networks if Apple allows it, so I can enjoy the network without interruption..... Steve is back man and he's PISSED, so you better choose your side .... Going against Apple will be Googles biggest mistake this decade

HAHA. It will be interesting to watch the battle unfold.

Pissing of Adobe was probably the dumbest thing Apple has done. Why doesn't Adobe just take off the gloves and pull Photoshop, Flash and everything else OFF the OS X platform?

Oh wouldn't that be most interesting? But I digress...

 

[cmaier]

Why doesn't Adobe just take off the gloves and pull Photoshop, Flash and everything else OFF the OS X platform?

Because Adobe exists to make money?

 

[ungraphic]

Your business website could use some work.



Speaking of critical thinking, nice U-turn there. cmaier correctly points out that pros were doing pro work for years on machines with less power than the iPad. You backpedal by waxing nostalgic about simpler times.

Perhaps a well-designed app without all the bloat and feature-itis required to sell software upgrades these days would work just fine on an iPad-type device, hmm?

Are you implying the process was the same, as were the results? No, they werent.

 

[ungraphic]

Why doesn't Adobe just take off the gloves and pull Photoshop, Flash and everything else OFF the OS X platform?

Walk into any advertising agency and all youre going to see is a legal volume licence installation of Adobe Creative Suite every computer. Heres the kicker; every computer is a Mac. (I've yet to walk into an ad agency that didnt use macs, or at least for the creatives which are the bulk of the ad agencies).

 

[Eidorian]

Because Adobe exists to make money?

True but the disparity in products between OS X and Windows is really starting to show.

 

[cmaier]

Are you implying the process was the same, as were the results? No, they werent.

Sure they were. Office and other productivity software is little changed in a decade, and the resulting documents don't look any different.

 

[RazHyena]

Because Adobe exists to make money?

With Apple's puny market share? Ok, sure I guess...it WOULD technically be somewhat of a loss for them....but not too significant.

.....or would it?

Discuss, my pretties.