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You know, a regular macbook isnt that much bigger.....thicker, yes, but otherwise, not much. Could look into a netbook as well, about the same size, but again, thicker.

Thickness imo is the least important, its length and width that really determinse how portable a device is.

Actually, it is quite a bit bigger in terms of weight (3X). Anyway, we already have three laptops (two 15" MBPs and a 14" Dell), so a 13" MBP makes no sense for me. Not to say it doesn't for other folks trying to decide between it and an iPad.
 
Sure they were. Office and other productivity software is little changed in a decade, and the resulting documents don't look any different.

Process was similar, but not the same. Not all of the features we have today, were present back then. Nor was indesign. Nor was quark 'photoshop friendly' nor were large file sizes on the slower computers of yesterday. results also varied as the applications (of any kind) didnt allow the user for the possibilities we have today.

It wasnt the same software.
 
Process was similar, but not the same. Not all of the features we have today, were present back then. Nor was indesign. Nor was quark 'photoshop friendly' nor were large file sizes on the slower computers of yesterday. results also varied as the applications (of any kind) didnt allow the user for the possibilities we have today.

It wasnt the same software.

Of course it wasn't. And the iPad apps to perform the same functions won't be the same software. But that wasn't the original point. You (or whoever started it) said that the iPad is worthless because it can't be used for real work, and cited a photography workflow.

My argument is that "real work" encompasses many different workflows - in fact, most "real work" done on computers is done with text-based documents and simple graphics - i.e. office suites.

Further, the argument was made that the iPad couldn't do real work because of its hardware specs. And my point is that hardware specs much weaker than these were used for "real work" using software that is 90% the same as today's office suite. The process is essentially identical. The end results identical. If windows 95 running word 6 can run on a 400MHz K6 and a vga screen, a decent word processor can run on the iPad.
 
I thought the same thing, but it could just be a promotional pitch to spur excitement. I'm not sure what they could really do, besides lower prices. But apple isn't really aiming at the low-priced computer market. It will be interesting to see what they do this year.

Most likely converge the more advanced tech/os of the pad and phone with the OS of the mac. Touch screen cinema displays on imacs and stand alone displays, etc. Bring it all together. Laptops with the same touch system.
 
HAHA. It will be interesting to watch the battle unfold.

Pissing of Adobe was probably the dumbest thing Apple has done. Why doesn't Adobe just take off the gloves and pull Photoshop, Flash and everything else OFF the OS X platform?

Oh wouldn't that be most interesting? :D But I digress...

Remember when Adobe pulled Premiere off the Apple Platform? Oh that worked well for them. All those users switched to FCP. Turns out they were more loyal to the platform than the software. A few years later, Premiere Pro was back.

And, as someone mentioned, it's their largest user base. They're in it to sell software to whoever will buy it. Even microsoft could care less. They exist to sell software to any market large enough to matter. That's why the make office for mac.

Another video editing company named Avid back in 98-99 let their mac products lag, and then announced that they wouldn't be supporting mac in the future. They quickly got back on board less than a year later when Final Cut Pro came out. They had 90+% of the pro market. Now they probably have half.
 
What are you talking about? I cited the number provided by the adobe dude.

Yeah I know, I'm just in a strange mood tonight. :confused:

Remember when Adobe pulled Premiere off the Apple Platform? Oh that worked well for them. All those users switched to FCP. Turns out they were more loyal to the platform than the software. A few years later, Premiere Pro was back.

And, as someone mentioned, it's their largest user base. They're in it to sell software to whoever will buy it. Even microsoft could care less. They exist to sell software to any market large enough to matter. That's why the make office for mac.

Another video editing company named Avid back in 98-99 let their mac products lag, and then announced that they wouldn't be supporting mac in the future. They quickly got back on board less than a year later when Final Cut Pro came out. They had 90+% of the pro market. Now they probably have half.

Honestly, no I don't. It would be interesting to see if a similar reaction would happen now if they did pull out of OS X.
 
HAHA. It will be interesting to watch the battle unfold.

Pissing of Adobe was probably the dumbest thing Apple has done. Why doesn't Adobe just take off the gloves and pull Photoshop, Flash and everything else OFF the OS X platform?

Oh wouldn't that be most interesting? :D But I digress...

I think its Adobe is the one who pissed off apple first in 2003. They even had a website recommending Windows over Mac. That was before apple switched to Intel of course.

https://www.macrumors.com/2003/03/24/adobe-pc-preferred/
 
I think its Adobe is the one who pissed off apple first in 2003. They even had a website recommending Windows over Mac. That was before apple switched to Intel of course.

https://www.macrumors.com/2003/03/24/adobe-pc-preferred/
Well of course, I've hated Adobe ever since they bought out and killed off Aldus, all those years ago. It's just that Desktop Publishing on the Mac and Graphic Design on the Mac MADE Adobe. Their ingratitude is a little hard to swallow.

As far as Flash goes, though:

http://www.bynkii.com/archives/2010/01/more_flash_crying_from_adobe.html

http://www.bynkii.com/archives/2010/01/stop_crashing_my_browser.html

I can't improve on John Welch.
 
Optical media is on it's way out, Bluray is just the next mini disc.

Gawwwwd, you blu-ray talkers are a real boring bunch. My blu-ray collection is bigger than my DVD collection now (anyone who buys a DVD these days is a sucker, that's for sure).

Blu-ray is for film lovers and those with large-screen TV's. Not for whiners with nothing more than a laptop computer to watch movies on.

So go preach to someone (stupid) who actually cares about your wise and wonderful predictions.

LOL
 
Hard to believe a credibly company would use pages for any design work and send off a PDF from pages for print. I've been in graphic design for years, its my profession (photography second) and never have i seen anyone use pages or ms word for actual print. All of it has always been either collected for output via quark, indesign or a simple PDF file (sometimes AI depending on the printers). Does pages even allow any advanced controls before outputting to PDF? Does it handle bleeds, trapping, etc?

Its not impossible to use pages, but from a graphic designers POV, assuming youre serious, using pages is the absolute most amateur method ive ever heard.

I know its hard to believe Mr. Expert. But this amateur does just fine with what is available to use.
You know, some of us out there work for small companies that don't have a lot of money. But we find ways to get things done.
Pages has several PDF export options.
I create guides for page bleeds.

Oh I can't forget EZDraw. A fine application for companies on a budget. :)
 
Flash does indeed suck.
 

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I know its hard to believe Mr. Expert. But this amateur does just fine with what is available to use.
You know, some of us out there work for small companies that don't have a lot of money. But we find ways to get things done.
Pages has several PDF export options.
I create guides for page bleeds.

Oh I can't forget EZDraw. A fine application for companies on a budget. :)

It's about like forcing a pro golfer to play with Top Flights X-outs - you as the amateur are fine with it and wouldn't notice a difference between using either, but someone who actually knows what they're doing requires a better tool.
 
Gawwwwd, you blu-ray talkers are a real boring bunch. My blu-ray collection is bigger than my DVD collection now (anyone who buys a DVD these days is a sucker, that's for sure).

Blu-ray is for film lovers and those with large-screen TV's. Not for whiners with nothing more than a laptop computer to watch movies on.

So go preach to someone (stupid) who actually cares about your wise and wonderful predictions.

LOL

Word! It will take years to top my DVD collection, but I haven't bought anything on DVD in the past couple of years except for Family Guy. Thanks to Amazon and other places where I catch sales, I can stock up for CHEAP. Why Steve Jobs makes some comment on Blu-ray as if it hasn't already taken off is beyond me, especially with Apple on the damn Blu-ray Alliance board.

I know ol' Steve-o wants everybody to download everything to a HDD or flash drive, but I don't think most of us want to. I can't let my family borrow a digital copy of a movie. I can't play a digital copy of my movie on a TV without moving my computer to my TV or buying Apple TV. Speaking of ATV, it costs $229 for a device that doesn't even do all the functions of iTunes and doesn't stream Netflix, yet about half the Blu-ray players do.

I think the video future is BD and DVD co-existing for many years, people using streaming services to mostly RENT videos or watch TV shows. You don't spend $1,000 on a TV to buy a compressed 720p video with only Dolby Digital. You buy that TV, a BD player and a home theater system with DTS-HD and all the other badass codecs of today. The 1080p picture is much improved over 720p.

On computers, those of us who own BD movies want to take them with us just like we do DVDs. It has nothing to do with getting the best video quality possible on a computer. It's portability! Not many movies come with both BD and DVD discs, and not many come with a digital copy.
 
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I thought Steve looked healthier at this past keynote. He looked slightly heavier and he seemed to have more energy and his voice wasn't as raspy.

He does seem to have his fire back.

True
 
Wow, Steve is getting arrogant and the success is obviously going to his head. Over 99% of browsers have Flash installed, and he says that "no one will use it" because Apple isn't going to support it? Right. Maybe Steve overestimated his power just a little bit. If Apple wants to mess up their relationship with Adobe and act cocky, I bet Adobe has lots of possibilities to hit back and hurt Apple a lot.

It's true that the success of Flash video format will probably slowly decrease, but videos and banners are only small section of Flash usage. Most stuff Flash does can't be achieved with HTML5.
 
Wow, Steve is getting arrogant and the success is obviously going to his head. Over 99% of browsers have Flash installed, and he says that "no one will use it" because Apple isn't going to support it? Right. Maybe Steve overestimated his power just a little bit. If Apple wants to mess up their relationship with Adobe and act cocky, I bet Adobe has lots of possibilities to hit back and hurt Apple a lot.

It's true that the success of Flash video format will probably slowly decrease, but videos and banners are only small section of Flash usage. Most stuff Flash does can't be achieved with HTML5.

Spot on...

If this really turns into war - Adobe can hurt Apple more than Apple can hurt Adobe and it is so easily done...

All they have to do is stop supporting Mac development:

- no more Lightroom
- no more Photoshop
- no more In Design
- no more Flash (player as well as software)
- no more Dreamweaver
- no more Aftereffects
- no more Acrobat
- etc... etc... etc...

Without this I wouldn't even think of buying Mac...

Without Adobe support Apple would be only iPhone, iPod and iPad

Perhaps this is exactly what they want - so let them have it :D
 
Ouch, polls like this have got to hurt. I can see why apple fanboys are putting great efforts into backing up the iPad, just look at the poll:

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7-10442751-233.html?tag=TOCmoreStories.0

Right, because a CNet poll with barely over 100 votes is an unbiased sample of the population. We can also say for sure that none of those voters has ever seen one in person or even knows someone that owns one. We'll see how many of them own an iPad a year from now.
 
Flash does indeed suck.
On a Mac, yes.
Try the same thing on a Windows machine though.
It really doesn't help the relationship between Apple and Adobe ( or Apple and Google, for that matter) when President-For-Life Jobs goes off on one of his 'lil temper tantrums like that, though.
 
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