Steve Jobs at Apple Town Hall Meeting, Google, Adobe, Next iPhone, 2010 Macs and More

[ungraphic]

Spot on...

If this really turns into war - Adobe can hurt Apple more than Apple can hurt Adobe and it is so easily done...

All they have to do is stop supporting Mac development:

- no more Lightroom
- no more Photoshop
- no more In Design
- no more Flash (player as well as software)
- no more Dreamweaver
- no more Aftereffects
- no more Acrobat
- etc... etc... etc...

Without this I wouldn't even think of buying Mac...

Without Adobe support Apple would be only iPhone, iPod and iPad

Perhaps this is exactly what they want - so let them have it

I would immediately switch to Windows if Adobe stopped supporting Macs, 90% of all the work I do is done through the creative suite and lightroom. I would'nt want things to be this way, but Adobe is basically THE reason why I use a mac.

I would prefer if both companies would put more effort into improving a consumers experience, but somehow given apples history of being locked down and the big brother approach, i think apple is more at fault for this debacle.

 

[ungraphic]

Right, because a CNet poll with barely over 100 votes is an unbiased sample of the population. We can also say for sure that none of those voters has ever seen one in person or even knows someone that owns one. We'll see how many of them own an iPad a year from now.

117 comments on the poll.

The total number of votes at the time of the screenshot is just under 50,000. Bias has nothing to do with it, especially on Cnet since theyre quite pro-apple themselves. The poll is also indicative of wether or not people want to buy one or not.

Way to miss the mark.

 

[-=XX=-Nephilim]

I would immediately switch to Windows if Adobe stopped supporting Macs, 90% of all the work I do is done through the creative suite and lightroom. I would'nt want things to be this way, but Adobe is basically THE reason why I use a mac.

I would prefer if both companies would put more effort into improving a consumers experience, but somehow given apples history of being locked down and the big brother approach, i think apple is more at fault for this debacle.

Of course...

All I need is press announcement from Adobe to make me instantly go to shop and buy PC and NEVER EVER look back at Mac...

After all, I will spend way less for more powerful machine anyway :s

Steve is just a frustrated old clown - and it shows so badly these days...

Shame

 

[admanimal]

117 comments on the poll.

The total number of votes at the time of the screenshot is just under 50,000. Bias has nothing to do with it, especially on Cnet since theyre quite pro-apple themselves. The poll is also indicative of wether or not people want to buy one or not.

Way to miss the mark.

Whoops, my bad on the number of votes, but my point still stands that the type of person the iPad is intended for does not visit CNet, and none of those 50000 voters has used or even seen one in person.

 

[Galarina]

I would be pretty happy if 18% of the population is buying my product
Now the CNet audience is probably a bit more pro- than the population in general, but even 10% would be fantastic.

It's just history repeating itself. The first iPod reviews were very, very bad. However, it turned out to be a big success: 250 million iPods sold.
When the first iPhone was announced, there was a lot of scepticism, because it lacked this feature and that feature. Apple already sold 40 million of them.

This is off course no guarantee that the iPad will be a big success, but I'm convinced that the device has a huge long-term potential. Let's wait and see ...

 

[Gatesbasher]

Of course...

All I need is press announcement from Adobe to make me instantly go to shop and buy PC and NEVER EVER look back at Mac...

After all, I will spend way less for more powerful machine anyway :s

Steve is just a frustrated old clown - and it shows so badly these days...

Shame

Hey, if you can tolerate using a PC, go to town. Trouble with your theory is, the event you describe has already happened. Adobe has been deliberately crippling their Mac software for years, and making sure that their Windows versions work much better, in hopes of destroying Apple, but it hasn't worked. Creative professionals have stuck with the Mac and dealt with the frustration of Adobe's childish vendetta because they don't want to use a PC! If Adobe's plan was going to work it would have worked before now.

 

[-=XX=-Nephilim]

Hey, if you can tolerate using a PC, go to town. Trouble with your theory is, the event you describe has already happened. Adobe has been deliberately crippling their Mac software for years, and making sure that their Windows versions work much better, in hopes of destroying Apple, but it hasn't worked. Creative professionals have stuck with the Mac and dealt with the frustration of Adobe's childish vendetta because they don't want to use a PC! If Adobe's plan was going to work it would have worked before now.

I would much rather stick with OS X

But if that same OS isn't running applications I need for a living then I will not have a choice but to migrate to something else...

By the way - CS4 runs great on my MBP...

So does Flash in my web browsers...

In case of a true all out war between Adobe and Apple, which Steve is desperately trying to start, I wont have choice but to take Adobes side.

Perhaps this is hard for you to understand but it really is as simple as that.

 

[Gatesbasher]

In case of a true all out war between Adobe and Apple, which Steve is desperately trying to start, I wont have choice but to take Adobes side.

And my point is, the all-out war was started. By Adobe. Many years ago. When Apple's market share was about 2%. If they haven't won by now, they're not going to.

 

[-=XX=-Nephilim]

And my point is, the all-out war was started. By Adobe. Many years ago. When Apple's market share was about 2%. If they haven't won by now, they're not going to.

Yes, but your theory simply isn't true since all Adobe products run perfectly fine on my MBP including Flash Player!

If it was the case of all out war - we wouldn't have any Adobe products on our Macs - therefore I wouldn't be buying Macs but PCs instead...

Just like I will not buy iPad because it doesn't provide "best browsing experience" and will be buying other device that does...

I am talking about reality and facts - that is all...

 

[Gatesbasher]

Yes, but your theory simply isn't true since all Adobe products run perfectly fine on my MBP including Flash Player!

If it was the case of all out war - we wouldn't have any Adobe products on our Macs - therefore I wouldn't be buying Macs but PCs instead...

Just like I will not buy iPad because it doesn't provide "best browsing experience" and will be buying other device that does...

I am talking about reality and facts - that is all...

Adobe products run "perfectly fine" on your MBP because they didn't want to lose sales—they've just been insuring that their products run so much better on Windows that they could gradually transition all their customers off of OS X without losing any revenue, in fact making more money as people gave up their Macs in disgust and bought all new PC-compatible software. It should have worked, but it hasn't. People have stayed with the Mac in droves. Apple was in a very weak position when Adobe started their vendetta, and if Adobe couldn't kill them off before, they're not going to now that Apple is going from strength to strength.

 

[Journojulz]

Ouch, polls like this have got to hurt. I can see why apple fanboys are putting great efforts into backing up the iPad, just look at the poll:

18% of techies wanting to buy it?
That is not bad considering they are not the intended market - they will all have laptops and smartphones anyway.

The iphone sells well outside the tech world because it is simple and fun to use for people who think a kernel is for making popcorn.

They want a computer that you can turn on and off like a calculator

It will sell like iPhones, slowly but inexorably rising.

 

[JosephBergdoll]

Just give us flash dammit! I think Steve got a damn lobotomy instead of a liver transplant.

 

[-=XX=-Nephilim]

Adobe products run "perfectly fine" on your MBP because they didn't want to lose sales—they've just been insuring that their products run so much better on Windows that they could gradually transition all their customers off of OS X without losing any revenue, in fact making more money as people gave up their Macs in disgust and bought all new PC-compatible software. It should have worked, but it hasn't. People have stayed with the Mac in droves. Apple was in a very weak position when Adobe started their vendetta, and if Adobe couldn't kill them off before, they're not going to now that Apple is going from strength to strength.

This is delusional, bordering with insane, conspiracy theory that has nothing to do with reality...

Reality is this:

1. Latest version of Flash Player works great on Mac and it would work even better in the future if Steve didn't freak out his brains...

2. CS4 works great on Mac! Sure things can always be better but that is why we have updates. Same goes with any software including OS X...

3. Mac market is roughly 7% compared to roughly 93% of Windows market and it is completely logical and natural for any company to pay more attention to bigger portion of the market

4. If your theory is true why on earth Adobe would go through hell of developing their software for Mac - intentionally with bugs! - just so they can kill the Mac. They could simply just drop the support for it... Dont you think it would be much easier that way!?

5. Adobe loves Apple products - in fact, majority of Adobe employes have Mac or iPhone or both...


In any case - its beyond silly to talk about such things since facts and reality should be more than obvious for any normal human being. If you cant see it then there isn't much I can do to help you sir :s

 

[TennisandMusic]

Adobe products run "perfectly fine" on your MBP because they didn't want to lose sales—they've just been insuring that their products run so much better on Windows that they could gradually transition all their customers off of OS X without losing any revenue, in fact making more money as people gave up their Macs in disgust and bought all new PC-compatible software. It should have worked, but it hasn't. People have stayed with the Mac in droves. Apple was in a very weak position when Adobe started their vendetta, and if Adobe couldn't kill them off before, they're not going to now that Apple is going from strength to strength.

Stayed with Mac in droves? I have to say, I think this is a little off. Sure they have a high percentage of Mac users compared to their actual market share, but hasn't that percentage been going down over time?

Also, Apple brags about selling 3 million macs last quarter? Record setting?

MS just sold 60 million copies of Windows 7 last quarter. Have there been 60 million OSX desktops sold in total since it was release? (That's an honest question)

Did MS just beat the lifetime install base of OSX in three months? If not, the usage share here of OSX is pathetically small, and it SEEMS that with the current hardware choices Apple is offering up, that things could be begin shifting at some point. There just seems to be no way that Apple can keep screwing the user the way they are, and not lose everyone but the incredibly blind faithful. You know, the ones that will gladly go down with the ship, thinking they are actually on a submarine.

 

[Journojulz]

Just give us flash dammit!

Not going to happen.

Its a direct content threat to the app store, ibook store, itunes store and therefore its revenues for and its developers/publishers.

But....
Flash videos can be converted, like youtube
Proper Flash applications can be made into apps

And if you can't live with that - go in peace, there are ;loads of really great, affordable and easy to use tablets out there.

 

[Apple Architect]

how to get back at flash

Ok, Flash sucks. But apple have a solution.

1. Buy Adobe from some of their bizillion north american pesos cash pile
2. Kill Flash (except for the windows version that they could make buggy, CPU hungry and crashie)
3, Kill Windows version of all software
3. All live happy ever after.

 

[steve-p]

Not going to happen.

Its a direct content threat to the app store, ibook store, itunes store and therefore its revenues for and its developers/publishers.

That's true, but Steve Jobs is evidently a gambling man. If it turns out that iPad doesn't sell well because of it, or the return rate is high, and he finds he needs Adobe on board to get Flash working in an acceptable manner to grow sales, he's going to have to eat humble pie. And what would Adobe do in that situation? Probably just shrug. In that scenario they wouldn't care anyway if it wasn't selling well.

 

[-=XX=-Nephilim]

Ok, Flash sucks. But apple have a solution.

1. Buy Adobe from some of their bizillion north american pesos cash pile
2. Kill Flash (except for the windows version that they could make buggy, CPU hungry and crashie)
3, Kill Windows version of all software
3. All live happy ever after.

LOL

 

[Nym]

Anyway, without Flash, the iPad will be as successful as the Apple TV.

I have no idea what's the situation in the US but where I live the iPad will probably have one of the highest "back to the shop to return it" incidences. Most people I know who would buy the iPad would take it back to the store as soon as they logged in to Facebook to play FarmVille and realizing that it does not work on this "magical device".
No matter what Apple fans are saying, people will (and rightfully so) blame the device for not running something that they can run in basically any other computer they've used.

HTML5 is a long way out until IE fully supports it and even when it is fully supported in all browsers, Flash content will be that much time ahead as well. Right now the truth is, Flash is more of a "standard" than HTML5 (meaning, more users can see it's content). Start blaming poor developers (the ones who program those nasty ads you so rightfully complain about) and not the technology itself.

Can HTML5 ever dream of doing something like this? Or should just we remove all creativity from the web and go back to black and white text?

http://www.bio-bak.nl/
http://www.hobnox.com/index.1056.en.html

And the "standards" talk are ******** and everyone knows it. Apple has no problem with pushing for proprietary when it suits them. (Ex: choosing h264 Codec for HTML video instead of free OGG, which is further delaying of HTML5 adoption).

For the end, dear Steve, you lost one customer due to your arrogance, hypocrisy and blindness and I am sure I won't be the only or last customer you are going to loose.
All the best with iPad, HTML5 and lazy things...

Unfortunately I'm beginning to feel the exact same way lately...

 

[xbjllb]

There is a whole moral side to rejecting BluRay that has nothing to do with Steve-O and you sir are one example of why many people just want to see BluRay die off along with its content creators.

Dave

YOU and content thieves like you are the reason WHY music sucks so much and movies are following them down the same black hole, unless they are glorified video games.

Moral side? Content should be free? Go ef yourself and take your tin god Steve-O with you.

You know Mr. Balmer, it's not impossible to author BluRay disks on the Mac in its current state. You don't have all the authoring tools, but you can make a disk that will play on a BluRay player in HD.

As said in the original post, I do it every day.

Workarounds and hoop jumping are not acceptable in a platform as overpriced as Apple.

I'll bet you're saving a bundle with that old Studebaker, too.

Wrong again, genius. '99 Ford Van fleet.

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-History-of-the-Tracfone-Company&id=1112595

 

[xbjllb]

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[Journojulz]

Most people I know who would buy the iPad would take it back to the store as soon as they logged in to Facebook to play FarmVille and realizing that it does not work on this "magical device".

What is more likely to happen - apple allowing unregulated and free apps - or farmville realising they can get 59p from the million "give us a farmville app" group?

 

[-=XX=-Nephilim]

What is more likely to happen - apple allowing unregulated and free apps - or farmville realising they can get 59p from the million "give us a farmville app" group?

What is more likely to happen - that million spending $500+ on iPad and 59p on Farmville.

Or perhaps keep on playing it free of charge on better and cheaper Tablet device that runs Flash?

Give me a break...

 

[Journojulz]

What is more likely to happen - that million spending $500+ on iPad and 59p on Farmville.

Or perhaps keep on playing it free of charge on better and cheaper Tablet device that runs Flash?

The former, judging by

1. the success of the app store and the cheapness of the apps.
2. the availability of a "better and cheaper Tablet device"