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if jobs is so adamant that flash is buggy. he should remove flash from the os x , so that all their mac pro, imac and mac book pro crash less.

what a lame excuse.
 
if jobs is so adamant that flash is buggy. he should remove flash from the os x , so that all their mac pro, imac and mac book pro crash less.

what a lame excuse.

Actually there was a Safari update that sandboxed flash as a seperate process because safari was appearing to crash all the time. Now with flash as a seperate process - guess which process kept crashing.

That really looks like Apple told Adobe it's pap, Adobe gave them the finger and Apple then decided to make all their users aware of the flash problems by allowing it to fail by itself and causing a mass of flash radar traffic.

As adobe have not got off their butts to fix the issues, Apple have (as self appointed bastians of user experience) decided to cut the cancer out..
The only problem is that HTML5, from my understanding, isn't ratified and the people causing a fuss are Google/Apple/MS etc in the usual twisting of standards bodies to serve the own purpose.
Meanwhile the end user couldn't give a toss about the technology but will see that a large portion of the web is now unaccessable.. blue lego bricks my ***.
 
And my point is, the all-out war was started. By Adobe. Many years ago. When Apple's market share was about 2%. If they haven't won by now, they're not going to.

Aldus and Pagemaker helped create Apple, gave them their 'gotta have program' and created desktop publishing in the process.

So Adobe buys Aldus and from what I remember, Adobe stops development on the Mac products and they became dated and then newer releases were buggy. Heck how long did people have to wait for Leopard versions of the Creative Suite of products?

Dreamweaver still crashes occasionally and all of the programs are memory and compute cycle hogs. Yet on a Pee Cee, they are much more stable (from what I've heard)...

Adobe seems to have blinders on with respect to the Mac community. Still, Jobs taunting them probably isn't a great idea unless he/Apple have replacement programs to do the functionality of the Adobe programs...
 
Originally Posted by Hankus View Post
I'm referring to the iPad specifically, and wait and see. It will be an epic failure.

So it's only Microsoft that can succeed in pushing crap on people? I see a market for the iPad. I'm not in it but I see where it will be a hit. To diss it now since it isn't even shipping is unfortunate for you.

Instead of cheering Apple's potential stumble, perhaps you could cheer Microsoft's potential issues with Windows 7 and why I hear nothing bad so far about it... What are they hiding?
 
i use firefox on a Mac Mini G4 and my WIndows 7 laptop and never have a problem with Flash. My son is always on flash enabled websites on the Mac Mini and it never crashes and i never reboot it or shut it down.

whatever the problem with flash, it's probably because Safari is crap
 
Not going to happen.

Its a direct content threat to the app store, ibook store, itunes store and therefore its revenues for :apple: and its developers/publishers.

But....
Flash videos can be converted, like youtube
Proper Flash applications can be made into apps

And if you can't live with that - go in peace, there are ;loads of really great, affordable and easy to use tablets out there.


hasn't apple always said they make money on the hardware and the itunes store is just to add value?
 
"Dear Loon

Flash on the iphone/ipad would allow unregulated copying and piracy of software that app developers have worked hard for, and also allow the unauthorised streaming of copyrighted material.

Sometimes, freedoms must be limited for the good of society.
Most civilised countries for example - restrict the access to cheap firearms.
You may wish to see this as an infringement of your liberty, but the alternative is to tolerate a murder and piracy rate in far excess of more regulated societies.

Would you want to spend a year developing an app to have it ripped off and given away within 24 hours of it going on sale?

I hope you understand, this is for everyone's good.

Steve

P.S. Please stop calling me at work - people are beginning to talk"

You sir are a moron
 
hasn't apple always said they make money on the hardware and the itunes store is just to add value?

yes, but its the app developers that make the store a success

Its THEIR revenues that are being protected.

Otherwise any app could be blatantly copied in flash and given away unregulated for free. Same with ibooks or albums

Flash amongst other things makes piracy a doddle.

And that is why it isn't coming to to a mobile apple device near you.
 
You sir are a moron

You must be one too if you can't imagine how flash piracy could possibly harm developer revenue.

Imagine if it was the other way round - what if you had just developed farmville as a paid for app, but someone ripped it into flash and gave it away for free.

Would you want to spend money and time making another app?

The itunes store has got as close to tackling software piracy as anywhere else i have see.
 


Ok. I admit I was wrong in that I was looking at the EDGE frequencies. But still you ignore that I am telling you it works on my iPhone. And furthemore, simply look at the official websites:

From APPLE's website:
http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/

iPad supports 3G 850/1900/2100 (exact same as iPhone)


From TMobile's webiste:
http://support.t-mobile.com/doc/tm23715.xml#7

What frequency does your 3G network support?
Our 3G network supports both the 1700MHz and 2100MHz frequencies.

So they both (iPad and Tmobile) work at 2100.
 
You must be one too if you can't imagine how flash piracy could possibly harm developer revenue.

Imagine if it was the other way round - what if you had just developed farmville as a paid for app, but someone ripped it into flash and gave it away for free.

Would you want to spend money and time making another app?

The itunes store has got as close to tackling software piracy as anywhere else i have see.

Is there some iPhone app to Flash "Tool" that I'm not aware of? Seriously, how is it so easy that someone would "rip an app into flash"? I

And wouldn't standard copyright laws apply? Where are all the Mac and Windows apps that were ripped into flash and freely available? Can i run 140,000 iphone apps as flash widgets on my Mac since they're so easy to "rip"?
 
Actually there was a Safari update that sandboxed flash as a seperate process because safari was appearing to crash all the time. Now with flash as a seperate process - guess which process kept crashing.

That really looks like Apple told Adobe it's pap, Adobe gave them the finger and Apple then decided to make all their users aware of the flash problems by allowing it to fail by itself and causing a mass of flash radar traffic.

As adobe have not got off their butts to fix the issues, Apple have (as self appointed bastians of user experience) decided to cut the cancer out..
The only problem is that HTML5, from my understanding, isn't ratified and the people causing a fuss are Google/Apple/MS etc in the usual twisting of standards bodies to serve the own purpose.
Meanwhile the end user couldn't give a toss about the technology but will see that a large portion of the web is now unaccessable.. blue lego bricks my ***.
The only real outstanding format is video because a decent quality non-propietary video codec doesn't exist at present. Many are speculating that Google may open source On2's VP8 technology for the purpose having recently purchased the company.

There's no doubt though that a propietary codec is a deal-breaker as far as agreeing a standard is concerned.
 
Is there some iPhone app to Flash "Tool" that I'm not aware of?

Its called the human mind.

Seriously, how is it so easy that someone would "rip an app into flash"?

Any half decent flash coder could knock off a cheap copy of an app, call it "farmvillage" and give it away free

And wouldn't standard copyright laws apply?

On the web? Are you saying there is no copyrighted material pirated out there? :D
 
yes, but its the app developers that make the store a success

Its THEIR revenues that are being protected.

Otherwise any app could be blatantly copied in flash and given away unregulated for free. Same with ibooks or albums

Flash amongst other things makes piracy a doddle.

And that is why it isn't coming to to a mobile apple device near you.

I don't think your argument really holds water. People that are interested in getting revenue from the sale of software don't do it in Flash in the first place for the very reason that you illustrate.
 
Ok. I admit I was wrong in that I was looking at the EDGE frequencies. But still you ignore that I am telling you it works on my iPhone. And furthemore, simply look at the official websites:

From APPLE's website:
http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/

iPad supports 3G 850/1900/2100 (exact same as iPhone)


From TMobile's webiste:
http://support.t-mobile.com/doc/tm23715.xml#7



So they both (iPad and Tmobile) work at 2100.

T-Mobile separates the uplink and downlink to two differing frequencies (1700 and 2100). So no 3G doesn't actually work on the iPhone 3G or the iPad.
 
Its called the human mind.



Any half decent flash coder could knock off a cheap copy of an app, call it "farmvillage" and give it away free



On the web? Are you saying there is no copyrighted material pirated out there? :D

Yes, only the human mind could come up with something so unlikely ;) Or- surely you can show me some examples with other platforms that support both flash and native applications...? I'm interested to see how good these copies are. I can't wait to get Chinatown Wars running in a Safari window...
 
I have no idea what's the situation in the US but where I live the iPad will probably have one of the highest "back to the shop to return it" incidences. Most people I know who would buy the iPad would take it back to the store as soon as they logged in to Facebook to play FarmVille and realizing that it does not work on this "magical device".

Long before that, Farmville will switch to Javascript.

Heck, it'll probably be very easy to do when the time comes. There's already an open-source Javascript Flash interpreter well along the way to completion - http://paulirish.com/work/gordon/demos/ - which can be used to execute .swf files in browser without the Flash plugin installed.

A little browser sniffing, and presto, interactive content delivered to iPads, IE, and everyone else.
 
People that are interested in getting revenue from the sale of software don't do it in Flash in the first place for the very reason that you illustrate.

You misunderstand me - I am not saying app developers do it in flash (although there is an app exporter tool)

But you get the point - flash can be used to pirate games, books, music and movies. And that would harm developers.
 
Yes, only the human mind could come up with something so unlikely ;)

If you want to think piracy of apps via flash is impossible, good for you.

Look at the top 25 paid for apps - reckon none of those could be knocked off by a creative if unscrupled individual?
 
Are you implying the process was the same, as were the results? No, they werent.

The implication is that the iPad appears to have the power and capacity, given some well-designed software, to put out pro-quality design work.

It wasnt the same software.

Wow, there's a "No duh" statement for you. Think you could do a pro photo-shoot on 1 ghz machine using an old version of Photoshop? Of course you could.

Ouch, polls like this have got to hurt. I can see why apple fanboys are putting great efforts into backing up the iPad, just look at the poll:

For a device you consider DOA, you sure can't seem to stop talking about it...

If this really turns into war - Adobe can hurt Apple more than Apple can hurt Adobe and it is so easily done...

All they have to do is stop supporting Mac development:

Uh huh. Adobe's sales and profits are falling yet they're going to stop Mac development? Hilarious.

But easy! :rolleyes:
 
But you get the point - flash can be used to pirate games, books, music and movies. And that would harm developers.

Are you serious? This must be the most amazing comment I have read for a while. Flash can't be allowed because people can pirate games, books, music and movies with it? I don't know what to say... I'm speechless.
 
Are you serious? This must be the most amazing comment I have read for a while. Flash can't be allowed because people can pirate games, books, music and movies with it? I don't know what to say... I'm speechless.

By his logic books could be pirated with support for text so Apple should get rid of Notepad. Or maybe people will start sending out pirated book pages via email...
 
If you want to think piracy of apps via flash is impossible, good for you.

Look at the top 25 paid for apps - reckon none of those could be knocked off by a creative if unscrupled individual?

No, not "impossible", just highly unlikely... I think you're muddling straight "piracy" with "porting (what could be a complex app) to another platform, doing all that work, and then not charging anything for it". Not something that would exactly take off like wildfire.

Now, if there were some kind of flash iPhone App "wrapper" that ran the apps directly you might be on to something. But it still doesn't sound like the quickest path if you just want to steal apps. Any apps costing any significant amount are probably things that couldn't be done in Flash anyway, and i'd rather pay the 99 cents to run the app natively.
 
Wow, Steve is getting arrogant and the success is obviously going to his head. Over 99% of browsers have Flash installed, and he says that "no one will use it" because Apple isn't going to support it? Right. Maybe Steve overestimated his power just a little bit. If Apple wants to mess up their relationship with Adobe and act cocky, I bet Adobe has lots of possibilities to hit back and hurt Apple a lot.

It's true that the success of Flash video format will probably slowly decrease, but videos and banners are only small section of Flash usage. Most stuff Flash does can't be achieved with HTML5.
No.

1. Over 99% of browsers THAT SUPPORT FLASH …have flash installed. Not 99% of browsers.

2. Videos and banners are THE MAJORITY of what Flash is used for on the web. Yes, that's a small subset of what Flash as a platform can do, but the fact is its used most often to do stuff that HTML5 can do with less system impact and more stability.
 
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