if jobs is so adamant that flash is buggy. he should remove flash from the os x , so that all their mac pro, imac and mac book pro crash less.
what a lame excuse.
And my point is, the all-out war was started. By Adobe. Many years ago. When Apple's market share was about 2%. If they haven't won by now, they're not going to.
Originally Posted by Hankus View Post
I'm referring to the iPad specifically, and wait and see. It will be an epic failure.
Not going to happen.
Its a direct content threat to the app store, ibook store, itunes store and therefore its revenues forand its developers/publishers.
But....
Flash videos can be converted, like youtube
Proper Flash applications can be made into apps
And if you can't live with that - go in peace, there are ;loads of really great, affordable and easy to use tablets out there.
"Dear Loon
Flash on the iphone/ipad would allow unregulated copying and piracy of software that app developers have worked hard for, and also allow the unauthorised streaming of copyrighted material.
Sometimes, freedoms must be limited for the good of society.
Most civilised countries for example - restrict the access to cheap firearms.
You may wish to see this as an infringement of your liberty, but the alternative is to tolerate a murder and piracy rate in far excess of more regulated societies.
Would you want to spend a year developing an app to have it ripped off and given away within 24 hours of it going on sale?
I hope you understand, this is for everyone's good.
Steve
P.S. Please stop calling me at work - people are beginning to talk"
hasn't apple always said they make money on the hardware and the itunes store is just to add value?
You sir are a moron
http://www.macnn.com/articles/10/01/28/also.lacks.ports.of.rival.machines/
http://gizmodo.com/5458423/unlocked-or-not-your-ipad-wont-be-able-to-use-t+mobiles-3g-network
http://www.examiner.com/x-8134-SF-Gadgets-Examiner~y2010m1d27-Apple-iPad-not-getting-3G-on-TMobile
http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2010/01/apple_ipad_says_no_to_t-mobile.html
http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/Inter...7;jsessionid=97BB9EA9D650DA471FD392D627327273
According to all this, while it may work on the 2G t-mobile network, it won't work on the 3G network.
What frequency does your 3G network support?
Our 3G network supports both the 1700MHz and 2100MHz frequencies.
You must be one too if you can't imagine how flash piracy could possibly harm developer revenue.
Imagine if it was the other way round - what if you had just developed farmville as a paid for app, but someone ripped it into flash and gave it away for free.
Would you want to spend money and time making another app?
The itunes store has got as close to tackling software piracy as anywhere else i have see.
The only real outstanding format is video because a decent quality non-propietary video codec doesn't exist at present. Many are speculating that Google may open source On2's VP8 technology for the purpose having recently purchased the company.Actually there was a Safari update that sandboxed flash as a seperate process because safari was appearing to crash all the time. Now with flash as a seperate process - guess which process kept crashing.
That really looks like Apple told Adobe it's pap, Adobe gave them the finger and Apple then decided to make all their users aware of the flash problems by allowing it to fail by itself and causing a mass of flash radar traffic.
As adobe have not got off their butts to fix the issues, Apple have (as self appointed bastians of user experience) decided to cut the cancer out..
The only problem is that HTML5, from my understanding, isn't ratified and the people causing a fuss are Google/Apple/MS etc in the usual twisting of standards bodies to serve the own purpose.
Meanwhile the end user couldn't give a toss about the technology but will see that a large portion of the web is now unaccessable.. blue lego bricks my ***.
Is there some iPhone app to Flash "Tool" that I'm not aware of?
Seriously, how is it so easy that someone would "rip an app into flash"?
And wouldn't standard copyright laws apply?
yes, but its the app developers that make the store a success
Its THEIR revenues that are being protected.
Otherwise any app could be blatantly copied in flash and given away unregulated for free. Same with ibooks or albums
Flash amongst other things makes piracy a doddle.
And that is why it isn't coming to to a mobile apple device near you.
Ok. I admit I was wrong in that I was looking at the EDGE frequencies. But still you ignore that I am telling you it works on my iPhone. And furthemore, simply look at the official websites:
From APPLE's website:
http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/
iPad supports 3G 850/1900/2100 (exact same as iPhone)
From TMobile's webiste:
http://support.t-mobile.com/doc/tm23715.xml#7
So they both (iPad and Tmobile) work at 2100.
Its called the human mind.
Any half decent flash coder could knock off a cheap copy of an app, call it "farmvillage" and give it away free
On the web? Are you saying there is no copyrighted material pirated out there?![]()
I have no idea what's the situation in the US but where I live the iPad will probably have one of the highest "back to the shop to return it" incidences. Most people I know who would buy the iPad would take it back to the store as soon as they logged in to Facebook to play FarmVille and realizing that it does not work on this "magical device".
People that are interested in getting revenue from the sale of software don't do it in Flash in the first place for the very reason that you illustrate.
Yes, only the human mind could come up with something so unlikely![]()
Are you implying the process was the same, as were the results? No, they werent.
It wasnt the same software.
Ouch, polls like this have got to hurt. I can see why apple fanboys are putting great efforts into backing up the iPad, just look at the poll:
If this really turns into war - Adobe can hurt Apple more than Apple can hurt Adobe and it is so easily done...
All they have to do is stop supporting Mac development:
But you get the point - flash can be used to pirate games, books, music and movies. And that would harm developers.
Are you serious? This must be the most amazing comment I have read for a while. Flash can't be allowed because people can pirate games, books, music and movies with it? I don't know what to say... I'm speechless.
If you want to think piracy of apps via flash is impossible, good for you.
Look at the top 25 paid for apps - reckon none of those could be knocked off by a creative if unscrupled individual?
There's no doubt though that a propietary codec is a deal-breaker as far as agreeing a standard is concerned.
No.Wow, Steve is getting arrogant and the success is obviously going to his head. Over 99% of browsers have Flash installed, and he says that "no one will use it" because Apple isn't going to support it? Right. Maybe Steve overestimated his power just a little bit. If Apple wants to mess up their relationship with Adobe and act cocky, I bet Adobe has lots of possibilities to hit back and hurt Apple a lot.
It's true that the success of Flash video format will probably slowly decrease, but videos and banners are only small section of Flash usage. Most stuff Flash does can't be achieved with HTML5.