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You know what, I'm at that point too. Why do we even need a SuperDrive? I can say that I have about 40 apps installed on my Mac.... and only 2 I have physical discs. The only thing I used it for is to rip my CDs. If I had to have an external SD for when I needed it, that would be much better. Make the machines lighter or add some other ports.

Honestly, I can't remember the last time I used my drive.... there is no point. With hard drives inexpensive and people storing data in the cloud, do we even need discs for archiving? Flash, HDD, cloud... I can't wait until Apple drops the CD/DVD drive just like it did the floppy. I want all my media either downloaded or streamed. Physical media is a 20th century relic.

Amen! At least give us the option to drop this useless disk drive.
 
From my observation of how things work in the Apple universe, Steve is simply giving the Apple fanatics talking points for them to believe and repeat over and over. I think it’s safe to assume that the main reason why he doesn’t want to support Blu Ray or Flash is because it will hurt Apple in other areas. It will cut dramatically into their movie sales, and game sales, etc. In other words, support BluRay and Flash, unlock the iphone and Ipad and Apple will lose a lot of money. Apple depends on their little universe of Macboys and to succeed he must create a us against them attitude that will make many of Apple users hate other companies and defend Apple at all cost.
Errr, you do realize that Apple is hardly making any money from the iTunes music/video store. Apple makes their money from iPods. As for unlocking iPhone/iPad, you probably meant jailbreaking as the iPad is going to be sold unlocked. Plus if you see the approximation of the cost of the components, Apple is still making money off the iPad, even if you buy zero apps. So either way, as long as you're buying the hardware, Apple gets your money, and you fail as a hater.
 
I'm sure if you just step back you'll see he's just saying its going to be excellent... regardless of how he phrased it i think everyone gets the point.

I agree, it's hard to analyse. Maybe if we saw the body language when he said "A+" we might have a better chance. But still, it is an odd expression.

Since I'm jumping on the iPad bandwagon myself, I'm not particularly interested in a spectacular iPhone release. :rolleyes:
 
I'm told that HMV's Blu-Ray sales accounted for approximately 30% of all video unit sales in 2009, and that figure is up 87% on the previous year's figures.

The only thing keeping DVDs alive are the cheap offers on old titles, particularly bundles, which have limited profit attached as Blu-Ray premiums are getting closer to what DVD RRPs were at just five years ago.

Jobs may be right to worry about buggy software, but my PS3 has never crashed so it can't be that bad. And it's not as if Apple have never released software without bugs...(anyone lose their home directory contents?).
 
Good grief. Talk about burying your head in the sand. Right, Flash isn't important and you just keep on waiting on Blu Ray. It's only been 4 years :rolleyes:

I'd like to believe, but come on.
 
I need to find an article or news story on this, i need to know. Too many people are saying random things assuming their knowledge is correct and making wild statements. I knew something was off about MS having stock options in Apple.....

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q1.07/592FE887-5CA1-4F30-BD62-407362B533B9.html
"Mac Office, $150 Million, and the Story Nobody Covered"

Here's an Article on Roughly Drafted about it. It was 150M (peanuts) and was a symbolic gesture to do with a commitment to developing Office for the Mac. Apple was reporting 1.2 Billion in cash at the time. These possibly distracted from or covered up a more substantial amount that MS was forced to pay Apple for violating patents. Hardly a case of MS buying a substantial amount of Apple stock.

The idea of MS stock in Apple has always been blown way out of proportion by MS fans and is now a real wishful myth on their part.
 
You know what, I'm at that point too. Why do we even need a SuperDrive? I can say that I have about 40 apps installed on my Mac.... and only 2 I have physical discs. The only thing I used it for is to rip my CDs. If I had to have an external SD for when I needed it, that would be much better. Make the machines lighter or add some other ports.

Honestly, I can't remember the last time I used my drive.... there is no point. With hard drives inexpensive and people storing data in the cloud, do we even need discs for archiving? Flash, HDD, cloud... I can't wait until Apple drops the CD/DVD drive just like it did the floppy. I want all my media either downloaded or streamed. Physical media is a 20th century relic.

We're still a long way off from that, as long as bandwidth uploads are poor (I have a piddly 1Mbps upload on a 20Mbps connection) and ISPs cap traffic, all-digital is a hobbled concept.

Some of us are content creators, and would appreciate Blu Ray support.

Right now I can burn a Blu-Ray image from Final Cut Pro, but I have to send it to a PC to burn the disk.

(tip for FCP users: you can actually burn a working Blu-Ray to DVD direct from FCP, but you're limited to the DVD size, and can't burn an existing image...it has to be through the Share exporter).
 
Oh my god.

People need to understand:

Flash is a slow proprietary piece of software.

HTML5 is able to do most flash things natively (fast and open source).

Today, Flash is still the king.

BUT:
Due to Apples ability to change whole markets, their decision to not allow Flash to run on their MILLIONS of devices will very soon kill Flash on most pages. Without this we consumers would be stuck with flash for decades. So somebody powerfull needs to make the first step and I'm thankfull Apple is doing it.
 
What a bunch of marketing gibberish!

Even if BlueRay is a mess .. get it done. You have more then enough cash in the bank to hire or buy a team of experts to do it right.

Flash being buggy on the Mac .. again. Get it right then! The web uses flash and likes flash. Flash runs like crap on Mac because neither side can get their heads straight, sit down for a month and make it work .. it does work great on Windows.

He has a point about the Google entering the phone/netbook market and I am sure they want and will take away from the iPhone OS universe. But you know what Steve .. it is because you are not listening enought to what we as in customers want. I'll stick around the iPhone as long as it is the best choice out .. would I need to upgrade now I would probably buy a Nexus. Well I have another year before the contract is up .. so I will have a closer look then.

See see .. aggressively push iPhone OS ? .. really like aggressively as in no update in month? or as in a new version every year? Because in that case we sure have differing opionions on aggressive.
I would like to see major changes going on in iPhone OS .. that is why I was so excited about the iPad press conference .. well turns out that again was not very aggressive.

And to that it is Microsoft all over again, we trusted Google ********. Yeah right. Apple introduced the multitouch phone or made it a mass product .. it has been out there for years, so Apple didn't come up with the idea they just made a great product .. so why shouldn't Google do the same. Same for the iPad .. these type of devices existed for years in the windows world .. Apple put their spin on it and it turned out crap but anyways .. they didn't invent it and if anything Google had both Android computer and ChromiumOS out there before Apple came along.

Man I really like some Apple products but that prima donna with his massive ego is so annoying and makes me hate the company.

T.

PS: The Google do no evil Mantra is as ******** and annoying as the fanboy preception that Apple can do no wrong and especially Steve is always right.
 
Apple does not support Flash because it is so buggy, he says. Whenever a Mac crashes more often than not it’s because of Flash. No one will be using Flash, he says. The world is moving to HTML5

I just don't get why they can't just add Flash and make it so that in the settings panel it can be easily turned on and off like Java or other plugins at the moment. That way it you don't want to use Flash you don't have to and if you do you can just flick it on.

Apple will sell more iPads and everyone can have what they want.

It's all a little narrow-minded for my tastes.
 
Steve really needs to write a open letter to the old Mac base (The Creative Professionals). He needs to let us know where apple is going on that side.

With practically no real updates to apples own pro apps and pushing adobe away. Where does it leave us creative pros? Why can't we get a Blu-ray support in DVD studio pro?

If apple just want's to make boom boxes and consumer play toys that's fine.

But let us know, if they intend to keep supporting the old apple customers.

That way we can move on. :(

I totally agree.. apple is slowly loosing it's pro costumer: the one that made the toys look "shiny and creative" to the other "standard" users.
IMHO that's how apple created an image of creativity and coolness, by having most of the creative to work on their machine, but now...? Glossy displays, all in one comp with no expandability, snow leopard that isn't compatible with adobe programs (64 bit support, AE keeps on crashing, and don't tell me adobe just update, because this is an obvious strategic move from apple. But i can't move away from AE for motion, that still sucks in many ways compared to AE). There is still the mac pro, that is a lovevly machine, But I owe one and i actually feel like apple isn't "following" me as a customer anymore.

If I had to draw a portrait of apple new strategy, it would be "Portability devices" (ipad, ipod, iphone), new closed online-dependant OS with an obvious lack of usability (Iphone/Ipad OS) and finally running away from Adobe software. Pretty far from the apple I recognize myself in.

I guess i'm going to buy some google stock option...
 
Nothing about Apple TV? Interesting nevertheless. Jobs has his fire back. Mozilla recently said the same thing about browser crashes and Adobe Flash, and that’s on both platforms.

Since Steve Jobs has returned to Apple, he has had tons of success and really the only thing you could call a failure (although iPad reviews aren't promising) is Apple TV. Maybe they're leaving it in the past?


I'm not 100% sure I believe this, would Steve usually be so open about future products?
 


On Google, Jobs confirms the much-reported competition between the two companies.
As for Adobe, Jobs said they are lazy and Jobs blames Adobe for a buggy implementation of Flash on the Mac as one of the reasons they won't support it.

Article Link: Steve Jobs at Apple Town Hall Meeting, Google, Adobe, Next iPhone, 2010 Macs and More

Just my $0.02c about the whole Flash thing...

I've had an iPhone for 18 months now (& an iMac for 12 months) and the lack of Flash was annoying at first but became less so as time went on. It's still a little inconvenient at times but I have to say that on the whole iFlash has become the inconvenience, not that Apple won't support it. All those puffed out websites that are difficult to navigate and so time consuming. I for one will be happy to see Flash gone and site content become the key to a good website.
 
LOL at the people thinking Jobs should go because the iPad won't support flash. I actually read a poster that said he encouraged his friends to sell their stock because of this. Such an asinine statement even if it's just internet forum embellishment.

Apple was nearly dead when he came back (through luck or maneuvering on his own part). Now it's more profitable than it has ever been.

He delivers the goods to the bottom line and has for the last 14 years. That's what share holders care about not whether they can view flash lol


On a separate note. Is there any reason why a third party can't implement Blu Ray software for the Mac? If you want to watch blu ray movies on Windows you still have to use non-Microsoft software.
 
Good grief. Talk about burying your head in the sand. Right, Flash isn't important and you just keep on waiting on Blu Ray. It's only been 4 years :rolleyes:

I'd like to believe, but come on.

I wonder what the real blu Ray story is. Fear of cannibalizing iTunes sales?
 
"The world is moving to HTML5." - May it be so, Steve, may it be so!

"Apple will deliver aggressive updates to iPhone that Android/Google won't be able to keep up with." - Better make it quick Steve, your competitors aren't exactly sitting around. The yearly refresh cycle probably isn't going to cut it anymore.

What is with the cynicism?

Are you naturally so pessimistic? Or could it be that your mom dropped you when you were a baby?

Or are you paid to bash Apple and Jobs by the Beast Master?
 
I just don't get why they can't just add Flash and make it so that in the settings panel it can be easily turned on and off like Java or other plugins at the moment. That way it you don't want to use Flash you don't have to and if you do you can just flick it on.

Apple will sell more iPads and everyone can have what they want.

It's all a little narrow-minded for my tastes.

They would sell more ipads, but think about, what motivates a corporation? Money, and they would lose a lot more money if people can play flash games and do some other stuff that flash does. They would also lose some money if people bought their movies on blu ray which they can watch on their tvs or on their Macbook when they're on trip.
 
So those features found in the iPad software have substance after all! Let's hope Apple will inpliment them in both the iPad and iPhone soon!
 
Glossy displays

A lot of people don't consider it a problem.

all in one comp with no expandability
You do realize you're talking about a specific product, the iMac, and it's an AIO, just like all the other AIOs? If you want an expandable computer, there's the Mac pro, which you apparently already own.
Snow Leopard that isn't compatible with adobe programs (64 bit support, AE keeps on crashing, and don't tell me adobe just update, because this is an obvious strategic move from apple. But i can't move away from AE for motion, that still sucks in many ways compared to AE).

I'm running Photoshop, Illustrator and [bleah] Flash just fine on Snow Leopard. Compatibility issues have NOTHING to do with Apple. How's Apple supposed to fix Adobe's app's bugs? And how's Apple supposed to bring 64 bit compatibility to Adobe's apps?


running away from Adobe software.

Apple is running away from CRAPPY software. They're denying Flash because it sucks. And it's Adobe's fault that they can't make a 64 bit version of the suite. They could've released a 64 bit Adobe Suite already (free update for the 32 bit customers) instead of making us wait for CS5. As Jobs said, they're just too lazy.
 
What is with the cynicism?

Are you naturally so pessimistic? Or could it be that your mom dropped you when you were a baby?

Or are you paid to bash Apple and Jobs by the Beast Master?

The question is were you dropped?

They weren't even being pessimistic, he agreed with Apple and Jobs that HTML 5 is better than Flash, and pointed out that Apple had better keep updating the iPhone to stay ahead of Google.

Neither of these are pessimistic or "bash Apple and Jobs"

CALM DOWN!
 
but i thought macs never crashed

Totally agree with steve - if that IS the reason why they don't put flash on the iphone/ipod/ipad, I can totally understand. I get many crashes per day because of flash. VERY fustrating.

sorry to troll, but as a windows user I heard for years how flakey pcs were and turns out apple's $2800 mbp's with osx can't even run a standard browser--lol--personally i have had zero problems with my mini running flash/firefox--
 
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