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Steve Jobs at Apple Town Hall Meeting, Google, Adobe, Next iPhone, 2010 Macs and More

MyBrainIsSpeakn said:
Apple is getting afraid of Google, even if you stans don't want to realize it.
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I think it's not fear that Steve is having against Google...more like anger. It's the Microsoft history repeating all over again getting screwed by people you entrusted. Read his line about Google's "don't be evil" mantra and I agree with him it's ********.

I want something new! I want Google to push Apple to CHANGE THEMSELVES for the better[/QUOTE said:
Again this line about Apple needing to be pushed. How many time have this been proven wrong. Apple does not need competition to move forward, by it's own it moves the market. No market for the iPad they created it with no one ever coercing them to do so except by finding the undiscovered need for it by its eventual customers.
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coolfactor said:
Yah, don't believe your uninformed "friends". They are just repeating a repeated rumour that was never true to begin with. Irregardless, Apple has already transformed into a powerhouse far more powerful than Microsoft in so many ways. Just watch the new few years to see just how powerful. Remember the iPhone and Balmer's comments on it? That was nothing.
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Irregardless is not a word btw
 
johny5 said:
Thanks, I was totally serious, I still dont get it.

Of course the next version of something will be better but to describe the item as a "A+" seems a bit wet to me.

Its like bringing out a new model of a previous car and saying "Hey the upgraded model will be A+!". wow, kind of holds a big cliff hanger right? not.

Maybe I was holding on something tangible being said as I still have a 3G and hate its sluggishness compared to the 3Gs. I am in the market for a new iphone and am trying to hold out until the new one but am tempted to buy a 3Gs on PAYG then sell it when the new one comes out.
The term "A+" doesnt make me want to hold out.
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I totally agree with you. I have never heard the term "A+" applied to a software or hardware update. I think it's a type of certification and obviously is a letter grade a kid might get on a test, but to call an update to software or hardware "A+" is really inarticulate. I'ts a term that describe the level of correctness of something. So I guess the next update is exceptionally correct! Awesome... given this vague choice of words I kinda have to assume it's not a major revision or anything deserving of English used outside of adolescent education.
 
Saying blu-ray "software is a mess" is a cop-out on Apple's part.

How is it a mess?

You only have to go to one place for licensing now, so they can't use that argument any more, even though it was never valid to begin with since DVD playback requires multiple licenses too.

Now they're trying to say the "software is a mess"? How so? WinDVD and PowerDVD in Windows handle it just fine.

Any GeForce 8600 or 9400M or 9600M series or Radeon 2xxx or 4xxx Mac will handle blu-ray playback without a problem.

The real issue is that Apple doesn't want to have to finally admit to the fact that OS X would need quite a bit of upgrading to support full and proper GPU video bitstream decoding. Plus OS X would have to be updated to support a number of changes to audio, including bitstreaming and/or decoding of the lossless audio codecs blu-ray uses, as well as bitstreaming uncompressed multi-channel PCM audio over HDMI.

Thats another thing, Apple would have to FINALLY support the STANDARD video connector we all know and love, HDMI. Since DisplayPort doesn't support resolutions as high as HDMI, nor does DisplayPort support the bitrates for audio that HDMI does.

Apple can't use the "sales" argument either, as blu-ray is being adopted at twice the rate DVD was being adopted at. When comparing time frames, when Apple decided to put DVD-ROM drives into Macs, blu-ray had a higher adoption rate that the same time in its lifespan as DVD did at that point in its life as well. So blu-ray disc is selling far better than DVD did when comparing time frames. Most importantly, let's not forget that DVD did NOT achieve 51% market share, finally overtaking VHS, until the format was 6 years old in 2003.

It's really about money. Apple makes money on selling you iTunes "HD" movies ("HD" films that don't even look as good as upscaled DVDs), plus Apple would have to pay the 4 cents per device and $10,000 annual licensing fee for HDMI. The horror! We all know they'd pass that cost on to the consumer anyway.

And for the record, Flash does suck. I'm glad Apple doesn't support it in iPhone OS and I can't wait for the day the world moves away from using it for anything.

I just wish we could get an Ad Block Plus plug-in for iPhone OS.

With thumb drives and portable hard drives so cheap? Not really
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A 4.38GB DVD-R is about 20 cents. A 4GB flash drive is about $15. A 25GB BD-RE is about $10 these days.

Until the HD-DVD - BD fight it was adult content that decided these battles. In adult content flash rules. I don't think it'll be the deal breaker this time, though.
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Oh please. It's an urban myth that "adult" films helped VHS win the "war". VHS beat Beta simply because VHS could hold a full movie on one tape and early Beta could not. Plus JVC licensed VHS to anyone who wanted it, while Sony kept Beta all for themselves.

DVD finally overtook VHS because it had too many advantages over VHS to list, including finally being able to BUY movies and not having a stupid "rental pricing" model that VHS had.
 
Gatesbasher said:
I'm always taking on the Apple-bashers, so let me switch around and do some Apple-bashing of my own.

Where I disagree strongly with the direction they're going is this ridiculous idea of streaming video replacing optical media. It's ludicrous for SDTV, and insane for HDTV! What they sell as "HD" on the iTunes store is grievously compressed 720p—compressed even more than atrocious cable "HD." The idea that people would pay money for this when lossless 1080p is available on Blu-Ray is beyond my comprehension.

Apple is responsible for destroying the quality audio market—we have a generation now who are not only willing to listen to 128 kbs icepick-in-the-ear noise but pay for it! The CD market is declining fast while people encourage this insanity with their wallets.

As far as video is concerned, I've waited all my life for something like Blu-Ray to come along, and now it's going to die on the vine because of the same race-to-the-bottom quality dynamic that happened to music. Besides, it will not be years, it will be decades—many, many decades—before a majority of people have download speeds that could handle Standard-def video in real time, never mind HD. This means that compressed crap is going to be considered the norm and there will be no more market for quality video.

Apple is not solely responsible for this disaster, but they're leading the charge, along with the techno-elite gearheads like several in this thread who want to banish optical drives from their computers in favor of streaming media. You are a very small fraction of 1% of the population, but you think everybody in the world has the same internet service as you do. They don't, and they never will.
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While your comments are strong and the a lot of people on this thread will be angry over these words, what you saying is true. While CD quality is better download music is not going away now and we have a generation of people who have never heard of the sound. As a bluray user myself, digital download is not even on the same level. Bluray finally allows publishes to put out content high res picture quality and uncompressed sounds. But i'm afraid what you're saying is true and people will just stick with "good enough". But good news is we have years and years worth of DVD backlogs so these disk on people's shelfs won't be vanishing so here's hoping people will upgrade to a bluray when their players fail. You're correct it will take years before anyone can make true HD with uncompressed sound available via the internet. Digital compressions ruins the true HD experience. I am hoping bluray doesn't go away soon, regardless how quick people are hoping optical disks will go.

But don't get me wrong for me personally watching a quick rental over iTunes is fine (although HD Cable and Satellite is still better, even the Zune 1080p store on the xbox 360 is great).

A few weeks ago i used to be a strong digital download supported and very anti bluray but my viewpoint as dramatically changed after watching some bluray films (and had owned a apple tv).

So anyone who wants to flame this person, take a step back before you do. :)
 
wonderbread57 said:
I totally agree with you. I have never heard the term "A+" applied to a software or hardware update. I think it's a type of certification and obviously is a letter grade a kid might get on a test, but to call an update to software or hardware "A+" is really inarticulate. I'ts a term that describe the level of correctness of something. So I guess the next update is exceptionally correct! Awesome... given this vague choice of words I kinda have to assume it's not a major revision or anything deserving of English used outside of adolescent education.
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My god could you be more anal about it? what's next when britney spears calls an article of clothing "hot" you will correct saying she actually means room temperature? Or correct Randy Jackson when he says "1 million percent yes" that he can't possibly go higher than 100%?

I'm sure if you just step back you'll see he's just saying its going to be excellent... regardless of how he phrased it i think everyone gets the point.
 
invarianssi said:
He's right about the fact that HTML5 is the future and that it should replace flash. However, what has he done to make this happen faster? Is Safari 100% HTML5 compatible? No because there's no 100% HTML5, yet.

Until the HD-DVD - BD fight it was adult content that decided these battles. In adult content flash rules. I don't think it'll be the deal breaker this time, though.
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well, the Webkit team has been pretty active in pushing HTML5 development. Once you get the porn world to switch (and they will eventually. saves bandwidth, so saves costs), it will take over.
 
andrew upstairs said:
Yes it is. It's interchangeable with regardless, only more annoying.
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I disgaree, it's bastardized and makes no sense as it's a double negative. Someone once said "don't correct people as it lets one know the uneducated from the educated"

bottom line, you're right i just effing hate it

"The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead." - Websters
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mosx said:
Saying blu-ray "software is a mess" is a cop-out on Apple's part.



It's really about money. Apple makes money on selling you iTunes "HD" movies ("HD" films that don't even look as good as upscaled DVDs), plus Apple would have to pay the 4 cents per device and $10,000 annual licensing fee for HDMI. The horror! We all know they'd pass that cost on to the consumer anyway.
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The simple thing is that bluray is a threat to iTunes which in turn will be a threat to the ipod eco-system. Eventually apple's pro customers will demand bluray so Apple will have to get it out there eventually. We also can say that most likely in some secret lab somewhere Apple will have a bluray enabled OS X with a Mac Pro with a bluray drive in. Its a matter of time. But people here don't like stuff cos "Steve doesnt" but when Steve says its "OK' people here will change their minds.
 
mosx said:
DVD finally overtook VHS because it had too many advantages over VHS to list, including finally being able to BUY movies and not having a stupid "rental pricing" model that VHS had.
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I agree with most of your post, but your history is a little off here. The era of $79.99 and $99.99 tapes was over quite a while before DVDs hit the market. We've got hundreds of tapes we bought at $5-$15, and nothing to play them on any more. Couldn't stand to watch them now, anyway!

tiiim said:
While your comments are strong and the a lot of people on this thread will be angry over these words, what you saying is true.... <snip>.....
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Thanks, tiiim. I've cooled off a little now—maybe Blu-Ray will stick around for some time as a videophile medium, most people laughing at us because "nobody can tell the difference." It'll be expensive, but maybe that's all to the good. The quality of DVD, both players and discs, has declined considerably in recent years. That $39.95 DVD player is not as good as your old $250 one, features or not. The same thing happened to VCRs, by the way. If the last ones were as good as the first ones, they wouldn't have died out so fast.
 
puffnstuff said:
Honestly I don't know why people want blu-ray in their notebooks so badly

With video streaming and downloading what is the point?
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Let me guess, with a comment like that you are from the USA?

There are a number of reasons why they should support Blu-Ray, one being the majority of the world doesn't have downloading/streaming, and they certainly don't have them in the quality of Blu-Ray
 
Competition is good. I can't wait for the android tablets to come out. Maybe I will get a video camera for conferencing (and checking for boogers) out of it.
 
ThatOneDude said:
I'll never understand the whole "Flash crashes browsers" argument.
I've used Flash for years, and it's never once caused a browser crash. Ever.
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Here in Russia flash is used by major news sites as a trojan horse to shove banners and pop-ups down your throat. They use every single trick known to force you to click on hidden flash areas so they would get money from advertisers. It's suicide to browse such sites without ClickToFlash or similar Firefox plugins.

As for flash games and web interfaces, how on Earth are you going to use them on iPhones and iPads when most of them rely on "mouse over" events? You need to touch screens and it would be immediately recognised as "mouse down."
 
Don't know about the rest of you, but clicking on the link in the OP's first post returns 404 for me.

BL.
 
macUser2007 said:
You mean, like Xerox got screwed by Jobs?

Anyway, without Flash, the iPad will be as successful as the Apple TV.
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Ahhh no. Apple paid Xerox to learn what it was developing, do more research boy. The internet is open.

I would love flash to be killed. This was also the same argument made against web browsing on the iPhone but guess what? The iPhone popularised mobile browsing...more people went online on their mobile now because of the iPhone. What i'd like to see is html5 getting adopted more.
 
Totally agree with steve - if that IS the reason why they don't put flash on the iphone/ipod/ipad, I can totally understand. I get many crashes per day because of flash. VERY fustrating.

Seriously can't wait for a new iPhone! my mic in my current iphone 3G is rubbish
 
Steve really knows what he's doing, and I like it when he tells us a bit more than usual... I understand that Flash sucks for the Mac, but it's a great thing on Windows, I really wish Adobe just made it that good for Mac... But Adobe is very, very lazy, he's right. Just look at CS4! A bunch of bloatware.
 
From my observation of how things work in the Apple universe, Steve is simply giving the Apple fanatics talking points for them to believe and repeat over and over. I think it’s safe to assume that the main reason why he doesn’t want to support Blu Ray or Flash is because it will hurt Apple in other areas. It will cut dramatically into their movie sales, and game sales, etc. In other words, support BluRay and Flash, unlock the iphone and Ipad and Apple will lose a lot of money. Apple depends on their little universe of Macboys and to succeed he must create a us against them attitude that will make many of Apple users hate other companies and defend Apple at all cost.
 
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