Steve Jobs at Apple Town Hall Meeting, Google, Adobe, Next iPhone, 2010 Macs and More

[FightTheFuture]

I'll never understand the whole "Flash crashes browsers" argument.

almost every mac user uses safari. when safari crashes, i dialogue box opens to send a crash report to apple. i guess the amount of crash reports tabulated due to the flash plugin is so high that apple started looking at other options.

I'm sure if apple brings multi-tasking, more customizable settings, and all other complaints people are making to iPhone 4.0, or the next iphone, it will be far more popular.

i'm sure Apple is not against multi-tasking, but much like copy/paste, they want to bring an elegant experience to the platform that responsibly puts the user in control instead of confusing them.

Competition is good. I can't wait for the android tablets to come out. Maybe I will get a video camera for conferencing (and checking for boogers) out of it.

do you mean Chrome OS tablets or Android? this is what people mean when they say "the great Google fragmentation."

sorry to troll, but as a windows user I heard for years how flakey pcs were and turns out apple's $2800 mbp's with osx can't even run a standard browser--lol--personally i have had zero problems with my mini running flash/firefox--

it's alright to troll as long as you have a reasonable argument. if you ever read Gruber's analysis of flash on safari, you'll learn why flash runs worse on macs then on windows. that's why on snow leopard, when a plug-in crashes in safari, it's isolated to just the plug-in and not the browser. and btw - MBP's start at $1199.

 

[normwood]

Uhm, so Apple is in a pissing match with both Adobe and Google.... Great....

As to Flash, sorry, but only a retard would purchase a web-browsing product without Flash support. I don't care whose fault it is - if Apple is the only company out there without Flash support, it's Apple's problem.

And really, it's all hogwash for the stupid, to deflect from the real reason, which is that Apple doesn't want to lose App Store revenue.

HTML 5 is fine, but it doesn't do much that Flash does, and it's nowhere near the 100% adoption rate of Flash. Most likely, even when HTML is more widely adopted, Flash will still be there for more complex tasks (Flash is not only video and ads, you know).

To be honest, by locking out Flash content, Jobs is making sure that his claim, that Google wants to kill the iPhone, will come to be. With full Flash support, Android will have a big stick to beat on Apple with. I guess the iPhone may survive it, but the iPad is dead in the water with Flash, IMO.

Glass half empty much?

 

[Lesser Evets]

Jobs vs. World, round 7.

He's almost always the 10 lb. gorilla in the room, but he knows how to put his weight to leveraging the world to his way. It's an uphill battle almost every time.

He has perfect points and recognizes what he MUST do to survive and thrive in the business world. It's just sad he needs to go to MS for a search engine, however MS is too f'd up of a corporation to be a serious threat to Apple: they're the big, stupid cousin always trying to imitate the smaller, more stylish cousin.

Hey, if Blu-Ray isn't working, why bother? Blu-Ray is not conquering the industry yet.

New Macs! Let's hope.

Does anyone see why the investors booted him out of his own company the first time?

Yeah. Because they were stupid.

 

[fat phil]

Because Blu-ray software is a mess and Apple will wait until sales really start to take off before implementing it.

Which, rather pedantically, isn't the same as saying Apple will wait until the software is less messy before implementing it...

 

[Flavioparentiq]

Ok, I expressed myself incorrectly. The Creative market is the most important market for Macs. The creative pros are the major buyers of [high end] Macs.

And Macs are important for the Apple ecosystem.

iPod--Mac--iPhone--iPad, it's all connected.



Adobe has forgotten who made them what they are.

I would be very interested to know how is the os share in adobe sells.

Are there more windows or mac users?

And please no opinons, facts (aka links)

 

[Eso]

- Apple will deliver aggressive updates to iPhone that Android/Google won't be able to keep up with
...
- Next iPhone coming is an A+ update

Translation:

1) "There are now 250,000 apps available on the app store and over 2.5 billion apps have been downloaded!"

2) "We will be releasing a new iPhone this summer and it uses the same magical and revolutionary technology as the iPad!"

I mean, I'd really like to believe that 4.0 will be a big software update, I can't. They have spent all their time incorporating API's and rebuilding their apps for the iPad in leui of updating the stale UI of the iPhone OS.

I mean c'mon, this is coming from the same people that said that the original iPhone can't do MMS due to the hardware.

 

[melchior]

<snip>
Most likely, even when HTML is more widely adopted, Flash will still be there for more complex tasks (Flash is not only video and ads, you know).</snip>

i just thought this was funny, out of context, yet somehow telling nonetheless.

 

[Supersonic]

Until the HD-DVD - BD fight it was adult content that decided these battles. In adult content flash rules. I don't think it'll be the deal breaker this time, though.

Regrettably, adult content drives tech forward, and until every flash-site changes, there's no kickstart for everyone else to follow...

 

[cesar]

sometime ago, adobe stopped developing some of it software for the mac. They, they realized that they lost some $$$ for that decision. Adobe makes mac software for the money. plain and simple. They will continue mac software as long as it is profitable.

Will Adobe continue making software for the Mac? Jobs just called them lazy.

 

[Techhie]

Regrettably, adult content drives tech forward, and until every flash-site changes, there's no kickstart for everyone else to follow...

Ok, who is going to be the one to levy a petition against the guys operating the top ten pron sites?

 

[MacBram]

Here we go again. Firstly, Mobile Safari has only 0.64% market share of web browsers, even allowing for further iPhone and iPad growth it will take years before most sites could care less. Secondly shipping "MILLIONS" of devices is a drop in the ocean compared to 1.73 BILLION web users. Apple have changed some specific markets, but the idea that "their decision not to allow Flash ... will very soon kill Flash on most pages" is just delusional. The idea that Apple alone can dictate future policy of the Internet is pure fantasy. Microsoft didn't succeed in that when they had 95% browser share.

Here we go again... Some dude thinking that it is all about the "marketshare", about "numbers of units" (which is changing in Apple's favor as we speak). I guess you read spec lists and listen to the pundits, too?

It is not about numbers of units and "market share". Have you read the other statistics? That miniscule percentage of mobile devices that Apple accounts for? They account for 50+ percent of ALL mobile browsing, the world over. In some countries, like UK I think, Apple devices account for some 70% of mobile browsing!

It is about usability and quality of experience. It is Apple that is single-handedly accounting for people really wanting to use a mobile device to browse the web in the first place. Users of devices made by other manufacturers don't really bother any more unless they have to; they won't be browsing the web for fun -- which is when Flash is more likely encountered.

The increasing and disproportionately large use of Apple mobile devices to browse the web, for people who do so with any regularity or to any significant degree, shows Apple's increasing "marketshare" of "the act of browsing" if not actual instances of the Apple browser itself. This is certainly is significant to website producers, regardless that record numbers of Apple desktops and laptops are being sold each quarter.

Keep up your career as a follower of the numbers and the pundits. This is exactly why Nokia et al are being left in the dust. 1.7 Billion schmillion. Let's count the billions of web pages served and see what percentage of them are served to Apple or Firefox browsers -- you might be surprised.

 

[IntelliUser]

I would be very interested to know how is the os share in adobe sells.

Are there more windows or mac users?

And please no opinons, facts (aka links)

Don't have any facts for you, but think about this.
Which is a more stable source of money, one where most of the professionals, who (almost) always pay for their software, so OS X; or Windows, which is prevalently full of consumers, a big portion of which pirate their software. Considering the high price of Adobe's apps, their piracy rate is very high.

 

[TMay]

Next iPhone = 3gsA+?

Personally I'm thinking it'll be a 3gst and require payment of an actual Apple tax on goods and services.

More likely A+ is subtle reference to the A4 derivative/sibling that will be in iphones and itouch.

 

[aegisdesign]

Nothing about Apple TV? Interesting nevertheless. Jobs has his fire back. Mozilla recently said the same thing about browser crashes and Adobe Flash, and that’s on both platforms.

Yep. Mozilla pulled Flash support from the 1.0 release of Firefox on Maemo (Nokia N900) because it was too buggy and slow.

 

[fat phil]

Translation:

1) "There are now 250,000 apps available on the app store and over 2.5 billion apps have been downloaded!"

2) "We will be releasing a new iPhone this summer and it uses the same magical and revolutionary technology as the iPad!"

I mean, I'd really like to believe that 4.0 will be a big software update, I can't. They have spent all their time incorporating API's and rebuilding their apps for the iPad in leui of updating the stale UI of the iPhone OS.

I mean c'mon, this is coming from the same people that said that the original iPhone can't do MMS due to the hardware.

That's 140,000 apps and 3 billion downloads. But I digress...

iPhone OS gets some nice new features every year. Critics are way too hard on it, considering it's only been available for a short time and already it's the de-facto touchscreen OS. Apple aren't lying down on any of this, and tell me of a single mobile device out there that has a similar breadth of support for all device generations (you can't include hardware differences here, i.e. improved graphics).

Android is a great example of fragmentation between devices. Bought an old (i.e. 6 months old!) HTC Android phone and found out it won't benefit from the latest Android update? Bought an Android app from the store that supports multi-touch (a 2.0 feature) but found it doesn't work on your Nexus One (a 2.1 device from the MAKER of Android!)?

When it comes to smelling the coffee, Apple have the strongest brand.

They may not always deliver what we want, but 9 times out of 10 they deliver what they promise. And I should add, the thing about visionaries, is they know what we want before we do.

 

[Flavioparentiq]

Don't have any facts for you, but think about this.
Which is a more stable source of money, one where most of the professionals, who (almost) always pay for their software, so OS X; or Windows, which is prevalently full of consumers, a big portion of which pirate their software. Considering the high price of Adobe's apps, their piracy rate is very high.

right, this have to be kept in consideration for real evaluation, but we still need some concrete data.

More Windows or Mac users in adobe sells?

 

[Pachang]

Most Exciting News

This news is more interesting than the iPad.
I'm so glad apple share my feelings about adobe and google -- they are overrated companies.

I'm glad that I didn't get the new iMac if SJ is going to push them to make something better this year.

 

[vvebsta]

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You should check out Laguna's post history. He is hardly an apple basher.

Tech moves fast in the mobile industry and a 12 month refresh can leave them behind.

totally agree

 

[mabaker]

Steve preachin' the TRUTH about Flash! Bravo!

 

[cjmillsnun]

It's time that Apple gets a new CEO.

Really, when they make record revenues quarter on quarter? Obviously the shareholders won't think so.

 

[Supersonic]

Here we go again. Firstly, Mobile Safari has only 0.64% market share of web browsers, even allowing for further iPhone and iPad growth it will take years before most sites could care less.

Just read your link..

You've wrongly and hugely misinterpreted your own propaganda there.

The 0.64% represents all operating systems, desktop and mobile, so if we're talking about how much marketshare in the mobile market only, I'd guess it's going to be a fair few times higher than 0.64%.

Edit, after 30 seconds of searching, its around the 30% point, so its nearer 1 in 4 of all Smartphone users

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/10/28/us_consumer_smartphone_biz/

I'd say that as a leverage too to get people to reconsider Flash as a suitable medium, a 1 in 3 share of the market is a pretty good way of doing it.

 

[Journojulz]

Flash runs apps, circumventing the app store.

That is why it is verboten.

Love it or leave.

I am happy to stay - i use the iphone for web browsing more than anything else - and haven't missed flash once apart from soundcloud.

 

[Flavioparentiq]

This news is more interesting than the iPad.
I'm so glad apple share my feelings about adobe and google -- they are overrated companies.

I'm glad that I didn't get the new iMac if SJ is going to push them to make something better this year.

Google an overrated company?

Hmm... let's see what they have done so far:

Google search engine.
Google Earth.
Google Chrome (just surpassed safari as a web browser after 11 month of life)
Google mail (4.7Gb of free space, revolution in email history).
Google cloud computing applications (docs, calendar, Picasa, sites).
Android.
Google maps (streetview).
Google Books.
Google new web base os CHROME will soon come...
Google Video/Youtube.

Oh wait, google Adsense.

Hold one... Oh yeah, Google was born in 1996.

Yes, you are right, totally over rated company

 

[larrylaffer]

Great way to back up files, if nothing else.

I very much disagree. A cheap 1TB hard drive is a great way to backup your stuff. Blu Ray media is far too expensive.

 

[TMay]

You wanna know how Google pissed off Apple ?

For 2 years Eric Schmidt sat on the board of directors and all the while he was taking notes on the iPhone and upcoming improvements. He would then send that info to the Google labs teams and they sat in there and tried to duplicate the functions and ascetics of it. While he was stealing info from Apple he was kissing Job's ass.

It's time Schmidt got what's coming to him.

As far as Adobe is concerned they have had several years to transition from Carbon to Cocoa and they haven't done it because they make more money from Windows.

It's also time Adobe got what's coming to them.

Not really wanting to defend Adobe, but Apple is still working on Snow Leopard versions (64 bit and taking advantage of OpenCL and Grand Central Dispatch) of most of its apps as well. It takes time, so we will probably start hearing of CS5 this fall.

I'd cut Adobe some slack on this.