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Originally posted by lord_flash
...So, hold on until Paris, if there is no news then get myself a Windows tower to tide me over...

Cheap PC's are made from the lowest common denominator components. I mean, try building one with the quality of stuff Apple puts in! The price difference evaporates quickly... I think of it like this - forget about what's coming or whatever, you have to make a purchase decision based on here and now. There's always going to be new tech, same with buying a car (unless it's a VW or Audi - they tend to stick with their designs much longer, and they rock - but I love little Asian sports cars!)... When you compare even the low end Mac, they still always have graphics cards, etc.. Follow your heart man, if that means buying a ghetto PC, so be it..

IE(which, remember, is no longer developed on Mac)

FYI - IE is no longer being developed for WINDOWS either... It's going to be 'integrated' totally into their latest versions (to my understanding). The majority of people out there on the net ARE NOT using the latest versions of windoze, or even 56k connections. This means they wont be able to upgrade their aging PC's to use the latest IE, either. ALSO, developing a website, whatever it is, so that it only really works correctly in IE is foolish. Yes, the majority of folks are using IE, but you need to design around the HTML standards. It's offensive to me if I go to a website and it doesn't work in Safari - it just means that they lose my money, and my money is as good as everyone else's.
 
Originally posted by agentmouthwash

(4) updates ibooks with the G4.

Thanks for being the first person to mention the iBooks 🙂. If not G4s, then 1.1 Ghz g3s with a SIMD unit/Altivec which has been rumored that IBM is already producing. Maybe a graphics update. I WANT AN iBOOK!!!!😀 😀
 
My Wishlist for September 16th :

- iOffice (to get rid of the last MSapp on my Imac)
- 30" brushed metal flat screen
- iTMS for Europe
- official release of Panther
- iBooks and iMacs upgrade

- and a lot of presents for the attendees of the Keynote 'coz I'll be there. People not able to be there can call me on my cellphone after the Keynote (will be glad to give you the good news.)
 
G5 PowerBooks

I keep seeing things like "The G5 needs 8 fans to keep it cool." But the point of the 8 fans was to use more at a lower speeds to decrease the sound, not because 1 fan couldn't handle it. Plus the clock-rates involved are high. Likewise, as was quoted here again, since the G5 doesn't need a L3 cache, the power usage could be *less* than for a PB G4 at, say, 1.2Ghz.

Although it was always obvious that the 9 fans were for quietness rather than heat, I had always assumed the G5 would still be too much for the PowerBook. But after reading IBM document here it is very possible for the PowerBook G5 to be announced anytime Apple wants to.

At 1.2GHz the G5 uses less power (19W) than the 1.0 GHz G4 (21.3W) currently used in the PowerBook. So although I previously expected the 15" and 17" PowerBooks to be 1.2GHz G4, I now expect them to be 1.2 GHz G5.

Remember, it is the Year of the Laptop.
 
Re: G5 PowerBooks

Originally posted by nek
Although it was always obvious that the 9 fans were for quietness rather than heat, I had always assumed the G5 would still be too much for the PowerBook. But after reading IBM document here it is very possible for the PowerBook G5 to be announced anytime Apple wants to.

At 1.2GHz the G5 uses less power (19W) than the 1.0 GHz G4 (21.3W) currently used in the PowerBook. So although I previously expected the 15" and 17" PowerBooks to be 1.2GHz G4, I now expect them to be 1.2 GHz G5.

Remember, it is the Year of the Laptop.

Indeed. That's what I've been saying for some time. There is no reason Apple couldn't put a G5 into a powerbook, I'll even venture the Aluminum enclosures were created with the G5 in mind.
 
Re: G5 PowerBooks

Originally posted by nek
Although it was always obvious that the 9 fans were for quietness rather than heat, I had always assumed the G5 would still be too much for the PowerBook. But after reading IBM document here it is very possible for the PowerBook G5 to be announced anytime Apple wants to.

At 1.2GHz the G5 uses less power (19W) than the 1.0 GHz G4 (21.3W) currently used in the PowerBook. So although I previously expected the 15" and 17" PowerBooks to be 1.2GHz G4, I now expect them to be 1.2 GHz G5.

Remember, it is the Year of the Laptop.

Good point.

And here's another about the 9 fans and the new desktop case design: Remember, this is the first iteration of the G5 chips. The case will be around for many more generations. That's to say, I do think those engineers at Apple who designed the case were smart enough to have thought ahead to when hotter and faster G5s will be going into the case.

It's called "Designing With the Future in Mind"

Chances are good they did the same thing with the Al PB case design. The beauty of it is probably a lot more than skin deep...
 
Originally posted by VIREBEL661
Cheap PC's are made from the lowest common denominator components. I mean, try building one with the quality of stuff Apple puts in! The price difference evaporates quickly...

Well, yes, but if i've already got a monitor/yeyboard and other PC gubbins lying around, and I only want an ugly box then I get more than enough power to run all my apps comfortably. For a little bit more cash, I can get a Sony system, with perfectly passable components and software pre-loaded.

I think of it like this - forget about what's coming or whatever, you have to make a purchase decision based on here and now.

Normally, I'd agree. But in that case, I'm buying a Windows machine, and I'd rather not if I can avoid it. My heart is with Apple, but my nerves lead me away.

I'll let you into a little secret. I used to own an Acorn RiscPC. Acorn developed the ARM chip, which is now the basis for pocket PCs. Well ahead of it's time (faster, in MIPs terms, than the PCs and, I believe, macs of the time and a GUI that had an Icon Bar and context-sensitive menus years before Windows, then Apple, caught up. The Dock is almost an exact rip off of it. Applications that don't quit just because they don't have a window open - how an OS should be. It was brilliant. And now OS X is it.

Thing is, i also remember the siege mentality as the UK computer market switched from having 3 players to windows dominance. I know it's not quite the same with Apple, but, well, I think you can understand my fear now...

[FYI - IE is no longer being developed for WINDOWS either... It's going to be 'integrated' totally into their latest versions (to my understanding).
... It's offensive to me if I go to a website and it doesn't work in Safari - it just means that they lose my money, and my money is as good as everyone else's. [/B]

Very true, and we can only hope that any new 'features' they insert are provided as service releases for I.E. 5/Mac. Somehow I'm not holding my breath. either way, you'd by lying, or very optimistic, if you weren't a little nervous.

As to it being offensive if a site won't worth with Safari, I quite agree. That said, my ISP's online mail browser doesn't. And, at the end of the day, I have to be led by the reality, not what should be true.

At the risk of drifiting topic, another worry is 'security'. MS, like the US government, can pull off almost any trick it feels like and claim the motive was security, for example the recent updates of Messenger that prevent other clients using the MSN servers.

All I'm saying is that there are legitimate reasons to worry. I know it sounds like I'm having a go, I'm really just nervous about spending that sort of money.
 
Re: What's this fascination with wireless keyboards/mice?

I don't know what this fascination with wireless keyboards/mice is. Personally I see more problems with wireless input devices: e.g. Ever loose the remote? - Now you can loose you're mouse too - that's handy! What about power? Gonna have to buy new batteries some time and what do you do when you cant get to a store when you're right in the middle of important work?
I say keep them wired and maybe add a couple more USB ports if thats what people are worried about!
- Wireless keyboards/mice are just a gimmick for PeeCee users who think it's cool.

What I predict for MacWorld Paris:
• iTunes Music Store for Europe and the World (How could Steve show his face in Europe and applaud the iPod etc without doing this?)
• iPod accessories - maybe a recording device?
• Updated iMacs - Faster processors
• Updated 15" PowerBook - Faster than 12 and 17" but NOT G5!
• Updated Cinema Displays - Higher Res.
• iPhoto book printing for Non-US customers
(• Another surprise for the day before my Bday! - Pleeease)
 
Losing your wireless device ( remote or mouse ) wouldn't be a problem, if they just did what phone designers already are doing by adding a find button to the base. You could have a find button on the keyboard, in case your kid throws the mouse behind the sofa. TV should have find buttons next to the other buttons too, so looking for your remote will be a lot easier.
I don't understand why it isn't used ?
 
I think there'll almost certainly be new Bluetooth mice and keyboards. It's at least confirmed that they exist, as demonstrated by a new preferencepane in recent versions of Panthyre (which is likely to ship there also).
 
Maybe...

I just hope Steve talks about the following things in his Apple-Expo Keynote:

  • iBook G4
  • Powerbook G4/1,25 GHz
  • PowerMac G5 DP 3GHz (who knows)
  • iTunes available in Europe
  • Free .Mac for people who own more than 5 Macs (haha lol)
  • Adobe PS 8, IL 11 & ID 3 preview

In a world without walls or fences, what use do we have for Windows or Gates?

TJ.
 
Originally posted by Dahl
Losing your wireless device ( remote or mouse ) wouldn't be a problem, if they just did what phone designers already are doing by adding a find button to the base. TV should have find buttons next to the other buttons too, so looking for your remote will be a lot easier.
I don't understand why it isn't used ?

To get all sad, it's cos TV remotes are basically just torches that flash different patterns of infra-red light at the telly when you press a button. It doesn't have a 2 way communication with the telly but one set of AA batteries sometimes lasts longer than the telly.

With remote keyboards and mice the story might be different, Bluetooth is two way after all, but that only costs in battery life.

Still, neat idea.
 
Re: Re: What's this fascination with wireless keyboards/mice?

Originally posted by rinnin
Wireless keyboards/mice are just a gimmick for PeeCee users who think it's cool.
There are plenty of great resons for a wireless mouse and keyboard. Me? I am buying the next version of the powerbook be it G5 or G4, and the wireless keyboard and mouse will...

1.Make it much more comfortable to work while at home (I can plug the pbook into my other monitor, and use a regular keyboard and mouse)
2.Use a REAL mouse while I am anywhere else without dealing with a cable, just pull it out and go(I HATE using touch pads, especially the constant "mistouching" which leads to a mouse jump and the annoying repetitive motions required just to move the pointer around the screen effectivly)

Wireless peripherals are much more than a stupid gimmick for PeeCee users, they make a lot of sence. I know I can count on apple to release a mouse and keyboard that have fully adressed the issue of power. We can all try not to loose our mice.
 
Re: Re: Re: What's this fascination with wireless keyboards/mice?

Originally posted by noneis
We can all try not to loose our mice.

That's right - keep some cheese next to the computer... 🙂

(Sorry...)
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Mac or PC? both good!

Just a little bit more hoping that those G5 PowerBooks with Panther pre-loaded and all-new, bug-free iLife apps are worth the wait... 😉 [/B]


Lets hope, i have been waiting since last august.
 
Originally posted by Dahl
Something big must be coming then.

Oh boy....
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Hopefully he isn't making the announcements of speed bumped, minor revision machines in another country to avoid the mobs awaiting "something big."

Should be the expected software speech though.
 
Originally posted by Sun Baked
Hopefully he isn't making the announcements of speed bumped, minor revision machines in another country to avoid the mobs awaiting "something big."

Now that is cynicism on an advanced level. I'm sure the French will do us proud though, mobs are on of their strong points (national strikes, student riots, storming of the Bastille).

So either fantastic new hardware or a full-scale riot. either way, it'll make a great webcast (if they do it)...
 
Optimistic prediction:

1. iBook G4
2. Beefed up PowerBooks incl 15" AlBook
3. ITMS for Europe and for Windows
4. A new lifestyle Device
5. iPhoto (ordering) for Europe
6. New iPod functions
 
Pessimistic prediction:

1. Endless Panther demo, but no release date
2. Double-clicking on G5 on-stage
3. New iPod firmware with even lower volume
4. ITMS for Europe "early 2005"
5. iChat and iChatAV will cost $99/year
6. Safari to be sold for $99 bundled with Sherlock, iTunes, iPhoto, and Finder
7. Mail.app only available to .Mac members
8. Longest applause when Steve announces the upcoming release of Mac OS X version 10.2.7 "any week from now" featuring G5 support and bug fixes and localized for Simplified Jurmese
 
Originally posted by Balooba
Pessimistic prediction:
8. Longest applause when Steve announces the upcoming release of Mac OS X version 10.2.7 "any week from now" featuring G5 support and bug fixes and localized for Simplified Jurmese

oh, man, you just blew me up with this one. "Any week from now." I'm gonna be laughing all nite. Cheers.
 
Originally posted by Balooba
Pessimistic prediction:

1. Endless Panther demo, but no release date
2. Double-clicking on G5 on-stage
3. New iPod firmware with even lower volume
4. ITMS for Europe "early 2005"
5. iChat and iChatAV will cost $99/year
6. Safari to be sold for $99 bundled with Sherlock, iTunes, iPhoto, and Finder
7. Mail.app only available to .Mac members
8. Longest applause when Steve announces the upcoming release of Mac OS X version 10.2.7 "any week from now" featuring G5 support and bug fixes and localized for Simplified Jurmese

More pessimistic:
  • Panther release to be rescheduled
  • Instead: Mac OS X 10.2.8 codenamed Mac OS XP
  • The new 15" Powerbook 1,01 GHz with Combo Drive
  • ITMS not for Europe due to taxes
  • G4 DP 1,48 GHz "Home Edition"
  • Huge list of apps that are not supported in Panther
  • Bill Gates on stage instead of Steve
Or: not receiving my K-ticket for Paris due to Post Office strike.

Sorry, I won't ever be that pessimistic.
Apple, go for it in Paris!

TJ.
 
Originally posted by trianglejuice
More pessimistic:
  • Panther release to be rescheduled
  • Instead: Mac OS X 10.2.8 codenamed Mac OS XP
  • The new 15" Powerbook 1,01 GHz with Combo Drive
  • ITMS not for Europe due to taxes
  • G4 DP 1,48 GHz "Home Edition"
  • Huge list of apps that are not supported in Panther
  • Bill Gates on stage instead of Steve
Or: not receiving my K-ticket for Paris due to Post Office strike.

Sorry, I won't ever be that pessimistic.
Apple, go for it in Paris!

TJ.

Okay, for a little optimism here:

Pathern is released at the EXPO!

Unless you've heard something bad about the beta's... it seem to be on track.
 
Originally posted by AllenPSU
Okay, for a little optimism here:

Pathern is released at the EXPO!

Unless you've heard something bad about the beta's... it seem to be on track.
I know, I know, I 've got the very first version of Panther and I have to admit... it'll be great.
I buy my copy at the Expo!

TJ.
 
Originally posted by pilotgi
No it doesn't. At 1.2 Ghz it dissipates heat at 19W. That's acceptable for a laptop.
If I were Apple, I would create an "early adopter's" G5, at 1.3 Ghz or so. It would be a bit bigger and heavier than the 15" G4. However, I'm not Apple, so I'm guessing that they will introduce new G4 PB's (1.2Ghz?), if they do. Apple seems to be all right with Moto, but it's ironic; the iMac would be all right with a 1.2/1.3 Ghz G5 (perhaps they need to make it bigger?), but Apple just won't do it.
 
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