Steve Jobs Confirms Discontinuation of iWeb in iCloud Transition

inkswamp said:
Dickish? I think it's remarkably honest. He's right to the point, unafraid to say yes and no even when it's bad news. That's actually a sign of an honest person. A more direct and less circuitous response style tends to indicate a truthful personality. It's "dickish" only if you're overly sensitive.
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It may be remarkably honest, but it shows a total lack of compassion for the questioner's dilemma ( i.e. that he'd spent alot of time on setting his website up). He could have just as easily replied, "yes, unfortunately we are discontinuing the service". Just as honest and to the point, but showing a bit more compassion. "Yep" just shows his arrogance and shows the questioner that he doesn't care if his work has been wasted.
 
You people are hilarious. All indignant over Steve's response, HOW DARE HE, he should have profusely apologized to the questioner, and begged his forgiveness for discontinuing iWeb. Is what you people wanted? Or did you need want him to offer up consulting services? Why do all of you have a need to be coddled like fragile babies? He asked a question, and got the answer- an answer most rational people would have predicted.

iWeb is complete ****. Apple didn't even bother to touch it with the iLife11 update, and they hardly touched it with the 09 update. It's a rotting product. There's a million and one alternatives, all of which are better. I haven't ran across any websites created with iWeb for a long, long time, (you can tell straight away) so I doubt they are very numerous. Nor are they complex. Yes, some may be inconvenienced by being forced to transition, but that's the nature of change, and honestly iWeb is the least robust editor I've ever used, so I doubt these websites are representing anything of great importance or financial value. Most web-based editors are more powerful and flexible.

We got a full year of notice- until June 2012. I could probably convert any iWeb site to Wordpress, etc in a day. There's nothing unreasonable about the situation, so quit the faux outrage and bitching. Apple has had a history of agressively culling their stagnant software/hardware, and it's served them well.
 
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Blorzoga said:
It's not a matter of proper English, it's called having a little compassion for your customers.
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He did. He answered the question. Brief? Yes.

Frankly, it's almost unreal to get non-marketing-sanitized replies from a person who gets to make decisions.
Blorzoga said:
Especially if the CEO is replying, he shouldn't be so flippant. It makes him sound like a dick.
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Flippant? Flippant would be something like "Of course we are! That's why we updated it with the rest of iLife!" or something in that vein.

zetsurin said:
Given that the sender's livelihood depends on the recipient, then YES. You fanboys are starting to sound like Apple ownership is some sort of honour. They are a business, they need to treat the customers like they are where the money comes from!
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How does Steve Jobs' livelihood depend on the recipient? Apple depends not on any single person, nor does Steve Jobs' livelihood.
stevensr123 said:
This is how the HTC CEO responded to many complaints from fans and customers of htc and android, about the locked boot loader policy they implemented:

“There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we’ve listened. Today, I’m confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience,” Peter Chou, CEO of HTC.

Considering Steve represents apple, I would expect him to respond in a professional manner instead of the dickish way he normally responds to fans and customers.

The htc CEO realises without customers their company is nothing, it seems Steve thinks otherwise.
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Chou may of signed off on it, but that screams "CERTIFIED AND WRITTEN BY PR" to me.

newwavedave said:
Ugh, this is going to suck! I've got my wife's website set up in iWeb and she has a lot of files that she shares that are being shared on iDisk. Is Dropbox as easy to use as iDisk? I guess I'll set up hosting on GoDaddy or something. Who's got the cheapest price?

To the people who are saying that we were paying $99 per year for hosting you couldn't be more wrong... We were paying $99 for ALL the features of MobileMe and taking advantage of the hosting and iDisk that came with it.

What a pain in the ass moving all my files off of my iDisk is going to be :(
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Haven't used Dropbox, but I know it's easy to share (even modify online depending on permissions set) with GoogleDocs.
 
Since iWeb (the website creation tool) itself isn't going away, all one needs to do is set it to FTP your website (instead of to MobileMe iDisk). Just look for shared webhosting - which can be as low as $1+ per month, depending on your requirements.

Won't be endorsing any particular webhost on this thread, but you can take a look at this section of WebHostingTalk for possibilities

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=4
 
Good

I always hated the fact that MobileMe was required for so many iLife functions. iWeb can publish to folder, but there are a lot of MobileMe-only features.

I didn't want to pay $100/year for a hosting service that doesn't give enough space for its price. I also heard that it's not very reliable.
 
syaman said:
Since iWeb (the website creation tool) itself isn't going away, all one needs to do is set it to FTP your website (instead of to MobileMe iDisk). Just look for shared webhosting - which can be as low as $1+ per month, depending on your requirements.

Won't be endorsing any particular webhost on this thread, but you can take a look at this section of WebHostingTalk for possibilities

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=4
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I self-host :) with a little port-forwarding, and I can think of names way better than MobileMe. Why doesn't Apple use "iSync" or "iLife.com"?
 
We have 4 sites within our family alone. I use iWeb for one of them. The others are all done via Sandvox and hosted elsewhere. I enjoyed working with iWeb but things change. I think i am going to continue with Sandvox for at least two of them and give Squarespace a whirl.
 
robanga said:
We have 4 sites within our family alone. I use iWeb for one of them. The others are all done via Sandvox and hosted elsewhere. I enjoyed working with iWeb but things change. I think i am going to continue with Sandvox for at least two of them and give Squarespace a whirl.
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I just publish iWeb to a folder that I give HTTPS access to.
 
It was easy and it was convenient. Reasons why products are discontinued like this are rarely explained to consumers. We have no idea how many sites were hosted by Apple, whether it was a true failure for them monetarily. That is the reason things like get tossed in the can, right, its not making any money for them.

People keep asking about Mobil Galleries and idisk, guys, no one knows! Why do you all keep asking the same question over and over, what about this what about that, do you really think your going to get an official answer here?? PLUUUEESE, settle down!

We know that there will be a form of mobil galleries in photo stream and the ability to move photos before your 30 days is up to other folders.

That to me indicates some level of photo sharing.

And you know what, if Apple doesn't do it some other smart company will come along and fill that void, which probably could happen actually with iweb and the whole hosting issue.

Personally, I think idisk will be incorporated into the cloud somehow when you buy additional space, Apple is not about to just do away with an i product with a name like that! Come on, the term idisk is a brand now for them now.

This whole process will be a lot more streamlined than people are thinking right now and only time will tell.

We need to patient and see how this all flushes out, its clear theres a lot more to come in the fall so lets not all get our panties all bunched up so early in the summer!
CHILL!:cool:
 
BLACKFRIDAY said:
That's absolutely fine.

But do you expect that from a CEO of a company actually replying to a normal day-to-day email?
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I thought he was on medical leave and away from those day to day stuff. Surely if he is browsing his e-mail and cares to reply, he could have offered at least a sentence!

Who has one word conversations?

Steve,

'Sup?

iWeb!

Dead?

Later... :D:apple:
 
The problem with Steve Jobs reply is not that it's terse or dick-ish but that it's actually ambiguous.
Not sure what he's saying "Yep" to: iWeb software discontinued? Apple's Web-hosting finished? Or the fact that retraining will suck?
:D

Personally I believe that Apple is willing to come up with some better alternatives linked to iCloud for all the features of MobileMe, but they're still trying to figure it out.
I think GregA's analysis is spot on: if Apple is to improve its footprint in terms of web-services, they have to integrate a significant amount of "social" in their offer, encompassing Mac users and Mobile (iOS) users. It's a tough predicament, given how popular and powerful Facebook and Twitter already are, as well as Google and Wordpress. They would have to come up with something HUGE that will convince users to switch to Apple's services.
iWeb is a cool solution for basic stuff but it isn't popular and doesn't have the critical mass to justify a continuation.
Clearly, at this point in time, Apple focuses more on the most useful and urgent features for its cloud offer, the stuff that Apple can't rely on third parties (like DropBox) to handle.
 
iWork

do you think this means a new iwork? all of iworks apps have a "share to iwork" option. or will there be a small update that removes this option?
 
So what html editors are there that are similar to iweb?

I used to work with netscape composer and bbedit. But I got spoiled with iweb. I know iweb may be insufficient for some but it met my needs. Well the first version didn't but eventually it grew with enough features to sell me on it.

I'm still not sure I believe Apple will do away with iWeb. I think it more likely that Apple will stop hosting our sites. But why get rid of a working application? Future development only means removing the option of publishing to mobileme and an occasional extra feature. I just want to look at options in case it does go away.

By the way if iweb is no longer officially supported, is there any reason to think an existing copy would not run in Lion?

As for the Gallery, I think that will be part of the icloud. The ability to post and view picture and video is integrated into iOS devices including AppleTV. I think it would really take away from these devices to not allow easy posting and viewing of homemade media.

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Just my opinion but if you're using iWeb and conjunction with MobileMe hosting, you've bigger problems. Not saying that iWeb sucks, it's an ok alternative for non-web devs/designers but it doesn't even receive a B for website creation tool for non-web devs/designers.
 
jaekid said:
Just my opinion but if you're using iWeb and conjunction with MobileMe hosting, you've bigger problems. Not saying that iWeb sucks, it's an ok alternative for non-web devs/designers but it doesn't even receive a B for website creation tool for non-web devs/designers.
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You can purchase your own domain name and have mobileme host it. That is what I did. I can always host the domain elsewhere if necessary.

Also it all depends on what you want out of a site. It suited my needs just fine.
 
ten-oak-druid said:
So what html editors are there that are similar to iweb?

I used to work with netscape composer and bbedit. But I got spoiled with iweb. I know iweb may be insufficient for some but it met my needs. Well the first version didn't but eventually it grew with enough features to sell me on it.

I'm still not sure I believe Apple will do away with iWeb. I think it more likely that Apple will stop hosting our sites. But why get rid of a working application? Future development only means removing the option of publishing to mobileme and an occasional extra feature. I just want to look at options in case it does go away.

By the way if iweb is no longer officially supported, is there any reason to think an existing copy would not run in Lion?

As for the Gallery, I think that will be part of the icloud. The ability to post and view picture and video is integrated into iOS devices including AppleTV. I think it would really take away from these devices to not allow easy posting and viewing of homemade media.

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Newsflash- we're not in 1990 anymore, or whenever the hell netscape composer and bbedit were in use. There's a million solid options, are better than iWeb, and very easy/intuitive. I don't believe Apple should waste it's resources developing a successor to this app, it doesn't really fit into their product line, as there's excellent options already.
 
Slurpy2k8 said:
Newsflash- we're not in 1990 anymore, or whenever the hell netscape composer and bbedit were in use. There's a million solid options, are better than iWeb, and very easy/intuitive. I don't believe Apple should waste it's resources developing a successor to this app, it doesn't really fit into their product line, as there's excellent options already.
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Newsflash: I asked what other people are using. Thanks for the rant though.

I like iweb Got a problem with that? I don't really care.
 
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