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I agree, seen way too many people wanting 7 inch ipads. Funny how all the non 7 inch iPad posters finally make their voice heard now.

No, just those of us who complained that a 7" didn't make sense were drowned out in the threads saying the screen size would be no big deal for the software. I love Jobs comments about having to get your finger size reduced to work with a 7" tablet.
 
No, you addressed a side thought I wrote about (musing whether or not there will be a big developer market for 7" screens that won't be around for more than a year or so as manufacturers switch to larger screens).

My main thought, and I'm not addressing you on this one so when I "scream" please understand I'm not doing so at you. I just get so tired of the same comment showing up again and again in this thread. So, *ahem*

He did NOT diss 3.5" screens, so stop saying that

Steve was talking about tablet sizes, not phone sizes which obviously already have a thriving app market that develops apps just right for that size.

No, when he criticized the 7" size, it was only about tablets. Having used my iPad, I know just what he means. I would hate to lose nearly half my screen. So unless droves of developers rush to the 7" market to create specialized apps that look good on 7" tablets, but bad on 10" tablets and 3.5" phones, the 7" form factor for tablets is a non-starter.

There are clear limits to how close elements can be on the screen before users can't touch accurately. We believe 10-inch screen is minimum necessary.
-- Steve Jobs

I get it. I think the iPad is the perfect size too, I'm just pointing out some stupid comments Steve-O is making. Even if the iPhone wasn't 3.5" it would STILL be ridiculous to say that 7" is too small. He's saying that 7" is too small, not because Phone apps wouldn't scale well. He is trying to say that elements would be too close together but I think the iPhone has already shown that is moot. People's fingers are the same size regardless of the gadget.
 
Awesome news, no one wants a 7in tablet.

Finally! Thanks Steve.

Thank God we're not getting a 7'!

About time the 7in rumour was killed. 7in is simply not big enough and not worth the hassle.

My wife wanted 10" and I gave it to her. (iPad that is) ;)

Great news!

I would have to agree. After using a 7" tablet, I find that it's just too cramped for applications.


GRACIAS!!!!!!!:D

7 inch?!!!! What is that?!!

And out come the Jobs-lemmings.
 
to bin or not to bin?

"There are clear limits to how close elements can be on the screen before users can't touch accurately. We believe 10-inch screen is minimum necessary."

So lets bin our 3.5-inch iPhones!
 
I think that the amount of adaptation that has to be done really depends on the type of App that you are producing. Comparing the Universal Apps on my iPod Touch and my iPad there are some games that hardly change, some Apps that present a similar structure with some rearrangement of UI (eg. Mail, Safari, Feedler, NewsRack) and then there is the official Twitter client that is radically different.

Would you be willing to tell us the name of the App that you worked on?

You're right. The fact that Apple delivered an iPad that run iPhone apps that allows you to enlarge them validates your opinion. I simply don't understand why SJ would say something so illogical.

I don't think forums are a good venue for sales. Just imagine any iPhone app that has been enlarged.
 
I already explained that in this thread. The 3.5" is the right size for software meant for that size. But the tablet software needs a bigger screen. 7" could work but you need a whole new set of software built just for 7" screens. Until then, it's not the right size for anything.


This doesn't make sense. "A whole new set of software" was built for a 10" screen as well. And iPad developers have been encouragec to develop resolution-independent UIs from the get-go.
 
The biggest tell about who's a lemming here is how many people say "GOOD!" or something of the like.

Since when did choices hurt consumers? If it comes out and you don't buy it, does it really effect you? Or are you too worried that if it's better than what you have you'll be too tempted to buy it too or go baby punching?
 
Remember when Steve Jobs said that no one wants a stylus and he was right?

The way I look at it, he seems to be more right than wrong... the numbers show it... they are selling iPads, iPods and iPhones as fast as they can make them. So... he seems to know what he's doing. ;)
 
My only interest in a 7" would be for the cheaper price point, for when I have family asking for these during holidays I can opt for the cheaper one.
 
My colleague's iPad is very nice, but all things considered is too big for my liking.

It all depends what you want a tablet for. Personally I want one that's portable, and by this I mean will fit in a coat pocket rather than having to carry a bag to keep it with you, is functional as an e-reader, internet browser and capable of playing music and games such as Scrabble.

A 7" tablet fits the bill in this regard. My iPhone and HTC Desire are ok for web browsing, Facebooking and so on while on the move, fit in my pocket and the iPhone is excellent at playing music (insert rant on no gapless mp3 playback on Android here), but they're too small to read text on for any length of time.

Something the size of a paperback is ideal because guess what? Paperbacks have been around for decades and are designed to be read by people on the move! The text is printed at a size that is easily read and it fits in your coat pocket! Amazing! :rolleyes:

There is definitely a market for 7" tablets, regardless of what Steve wants you to believe.
 
I think Apple is wrong on this one. A 7 inch tablet would be lighter and easier to hold with one hand. I can't confidently hold the current iPad when I'm on the subway and my other hand has to hold onto a rail while I'm riding. I see others struggle with their iPad on the subway as well.

I guess Jobs' thinking is, in those kinds of situations, use an iphone/ipod touch.

ETA: oops, missed balamw's post above!
 
Is this the same Steve Jobs that totally bagged on Tablets just a couple of years ago...but then released the iPad?

That old ornery turtle necked geezer needs to take his fiber and a happy pill and stop acting like he is the God you Apple nuts make him out to be.
 
I'm happy with the iPad screen size as it is. My only complaint about the physical dimensions of the iPad is the weight. I realize there's only so much you can do when you've got a glass screen, but if the iPad weighed about half what it does now, my arms would be happier.
 
Flash

I'd buy one if I could watch ESPN3 and BigPond on one. But no flash and no SilverLight.
 
The biggest tell about who's a lemming here is how many people say "GOOD!" or something of the like.

Since when did choices hurt consumers? If it comes out and you don't buy it, does it really effect you? Or are you too worried that if it's better than what you have you'll be too tempted to buy it too or go baby punching?

Choices can hurt consumers if they have negative knock-on consequences.

What I would really like is for iPad Apps to get closer and closer to the ability of full desktop applications. The introduction of a 7" iPad could potentially harm this progress for two reasons. Firstly developers would have to spend extra time to support the smaller form-factor. Secondly, and I think more importantly, developers may not make the fuller Apps that I would like because the 7" screen is simply too small for UI that they want to create.

Of course this is a personal opinion and other people may want a 7" iPad for their own reasons (lighter, one-handable, cheaper, more portable etc.) However reading between the lines of Steve Job's comments makes me think that he also sees iPad Apps as more than simply blown up iPhone Apps.
 
This guy (Steve Jobs) is kind of weird. Why did he need to say that nobody need 7" tablets? There is no benefits for Apple in stating that. What if it turns out that people do like 7"? Will Apple have to start selling them too? Will SJ look like a jerk then? Why?

Go back and read the article, there's nothing that says that SJ said that nobody needs a 7" tablet. As usual you're just twisting words to flame on Apple and this forum. The only weird thing here are people who spew their usual Apple hatred on a Mac forum.
 
Is this the same Steve Jobs that totally bagged on Tablets just a couple of years ago...but then released the iPad?

That old ornery turtle necked geezer needs to take his fiber and a happy pill and stop acting like he is the God you Apple nuts make him out to be.
Amazing..

How many new product markets have you spearheaded, am wondering?
 
Why should the UI of a "smartphone" and a "tablet" be subject to different criteria as it pertains to usability?
In order to maximize the usability for each form factor; instead of a "one size fits all" approach. (Or rather, "one fits all sizes".)

They are both touchscreen devices and are nearly identical with regards to it's core functions.
Depends on what you mean by "functions". Apps like Mail and Calendar were redesigned to make better use of the screen real estate, and many third-party apps have done the same.

You can argue that a Tablet-specific UI requires a larger screen, what is it about a 7" or 10" iPad that actually requires a "tablet-specific" UI?
Because the iPad isn't "just a bigger iPod touch". They sacrificed usability for portability to make the iPhone. The iPhone was also more feasible technically and economically; and the simpler interface was easier for people to pick up. Now that they are able to do a touchscreen computer at "full size" they added some of the things that make sense at that size.

(iPhone apps that present information tend to be linear and one-dimensional. iPad apps are more two dimensional with source lists and details. Plus there's more screen real estate to effectively use pop-overs that don't obscure everything. There's also enough room to put a handful or two of fingers on the screen, and for a near-full-size keyboard in landscape.)

In theory Apple could make "just a bigger iPod touch". At 7", books, browsing, and movies would be better, although not as good as at 10". But apparently they don't want to. They've never made a cheap expandable headless Mac either; nothing between the Pro and the Mini. Many people claim to want such things, so obviously they "lose that sale". But maybe most of those people end up buying something Apple does make. Perhaps there's more value to them in clean product segmentation, or something else entirely.
 
This Is Classic!

:confused: The iPhone is smaller than 7" and there's not much it can't do.

If clicking things is difficult on 7", it must really hard on on a 3.5 inch.

Had to say, I was thinking that myself.

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I LOVE this thread. Some bark about how they want a smaller iPad, because 10 inches is great but a little too much...

Steve comes out and says "No 7 inch iPad", and everyone is like "THANK YOU SO MUCH STEVE!!!" :):):)

I love Apple, and I love Steve, but he really could step out on stage, hold up both hands, and leave, and people would think he just pulled off a miracle. :p
 
God, Steve Jobs should be the president of the United States. His ideas, thoughts are like rules, axioms. No proof is required. Ever.

Now that the president has stated his opinion about the 7-inch tablets, all the companies/corporations/manufacturers will follow suit.
 
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