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Steve Jobs Defends New iTunes 10 Icon Against Criticism
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KnightWRX, I've tried to argue that one before and decided it's probably not worth it. A lot of people (dare I single out the USA?) don't seem to care where these idioms or figures of speech originated and why their bastardisation of the language doesn't make sense. If it's in popular usage that's good enough for them!
An article, regardless of whether it was written by someone every bit as pedantic as you, doesn't change the actual meaning of the phrases as used in common parlance.
When someone says something was 'decimated', do you rattle on about how the word actually means to kill one in ten? (Originally used as a particularly nasty form of punishment in the Roman Legions, IIRC.) No? Is that because you recognize that words can change meaning over time, and phrases can obtain meanings beyond, or even contrary to, the literal definition of their constituent words?
Oh, and, yes. I have read the article. In fact, if you had read it as well, you'd see that the article acknowledges from the beginning, and ends with a statement to the effect that the two phrases carry the same meaning *despite* the literal definition of their constituent words.
yeah you are right. People always mix up "there" and "they're", as well as "affect/effect", "ensure/insure". Therefore they mean the exact same thing, right? People who have poor command of language should definitely determine the meaning of words. It is useless to be precise and attempt to educate people.
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No, but its more because you are mixing up the origin/root of a word with its definition. "Decimated" has had it's definition changed over hundreds of years, while "could" and "couldn't", to this very day, mean opposite things. Plus you are comparing a word to a phrase, which is different. Do you have any examples of other phrases or words that have "meanings contrary to the literal definition of their constituent words"?
Why are people so bothered by an icon? I just DON'T get it. If you really don't like it, why don't you just 'Get Info', copy the old icon and paste it onto the new one? You've got your CD back! I've never heard of a more worthless argument. It is depressing, because it reveals that some of us have the luxury to argue over icons while others in the world are struggling to survive. Man, the next time I start an argument over some mundane ****, I'm going to think twice...
As a graphic designer for over 20 years. I concur: that new logo sucks! It looks like someone created that in about 2 minutes. Let see, "Take generic 2 tone aqua color circle, add musical note . . . . and . . . . there you go! Instant logo. Can I interest you in 20 animated gifs for your web site now?"
I much rather prefer something like this:
P.S. This icon was designed by Chris Carlozzi. He is a link to it.
I think the logo you show is very pretty and well designed but waaay too detailed and complex. Apple have pretty much nailed it with a simple yet memorable device. However, it would have been nice to see the new iTunes logo incorporate some kind of multimedia or video element, albeit in a more simplified way than the Mr Carlozzi's version.
Much like England's 2012 Olympic's logo, the new iTunes logo is already causing controversy, and is therefore doing it's job very nicely.
Well done Apple!
Ali McCarley, Graphic Design Consultant.
Totally agree. More often than not, someone from the US says 'I could care less' in a thread, refuses to accept he/she is wrong, and the thread slides off on a tangent.
Again, I totally agree. A common wrong does not make something right. I don't tolerate any of the mistakes in the examples you've given, just as I wouldn't tolerate the could/couldn't error.
Funnily enough, the vast majority of the English-speaking world recognises the correct phrase. A significant minority (largely in the US) have a fondness for the bastardisation. It's certainly not 'common parlance' in the UK.
So yeah, I couldn't care less which icon Apple use, as long as it's user-replaceable.
I don't know what's more pathetic, the argument everyone is having about grammar or the argument they're having about the iTunes icon. I think my brain just fried after reading this thread.
That cartoon has put the whole thing in perspective; too bad so many Mac users have far too much time on their hands; obvious that the economy isn't so bad after all.
the logo is fine by me, however, the desaturation takes more time to get used to... looking forward to the all-new OS-X / OS-XI / iOS-Pro 1 skin revamp...
This might have been posted before, but no way am I going to backtrack through the 34 pages of fanboi rage over this non-issue (keeping the new icon myself). However, I do like what this guy is getting at:
http://dribbble.com/shots/52294-iTunes-Icon
http://cl.ly/9b345dc3ea625045fffe
http://dribbble.com/shots/52294-iTunes-Icon
http://cl.ly/9b345dc3ea625045fffe
We is as in You and I ( = we ) disagree... this says it all, 800 Re's on an Icon, MacRumors will crash if Apple considers renaming iTunes...
they should have put a BluRay in there...
You should thank him for teaching you something instead of whining about it. Going on and on to save face is worse than admitting you misunderstood the proper usage of a phrase or word.
But it's not how language works. You're saying that txt language is the next evolution of English because it has become parlance and that instead of teaching our teens to write and talk properly, we should just embrace it because pissing about it over and over doesn't change that ?
(BTW, of course pissing about it doesn't change it, you need to go out there and educate. Staying in the bathroom or god knows where you piss rarely changes anything but the color of the water in the toilet).There's a serious distinction to be made for language's evolution and just a misused idiom that is a result of laziness by the general population. One should be applauded and respected and the other should be corrected.
I found another great reference on the web that says the misuse of the idiom could be attributed to Jane Austen's Mansfield Park and a misinterpretation of the use of the phrase in the following context : " I know nothing and could care less", which actually makes sense. If you know nothing and your caring about the issue is less than even that, you are in the negative caring zone, which since you can't negatively care about something, means you don't at all.
I find that particular use actually witty. I know nothing of icon design and could care less (about icon design) truely smacks. I could care less about an icon just makes you sound like someone who cares about it.
Oh, Jane Austen is a British novelist. The misused idiom is more often than not an American thing.
What argument about grammar exactly ? Grammar is about proper conjugation, use of plurals, etc... This is an argument about semantics. Maybe we should now argue that saying Grammar is equivalent to saying Semantics since that's now common parlance ?
Anything beats yet another 10 pages bitching about the icon.
It could be faster in x64 code.
Since most Windows systems ship with Windows x64, it's a pretty successful kludge.
As a graphic designer for over 20 years. I concur: that new logo sucks! It looks like someone created that in about 2 minutes. Let see, "Take generic 2 tone aqua color circle, add musical note . . . . and . . . . there you go! Instant logo. Can I interest you in 20 animated gifs for your web site now?"
I much rather prefer something like this:
P.S. This icon was designed by Chris Carlozzi. He is a link to it.
Great logo, way better than the official new iTunes 10 logo. Using it in my dock and happy with it. Thanks!
Couldn't have said it better myself. I don't think it's worse either -- I like how they got rid of that CD.It's a bloody icon, get over it.