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Steve Jobs Defends New iTunes 10 Icon Against Criticism

zeemeerman2 said:
Well,... come on people, please complain a bit more. A bit more and we reach the 900st post! And with a bit luck and some encouragement of the MacRumors admins, the 1000st poster get a reward! :D :p ;)
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I'm really upset that everything opens and responds much faster than before.
 
MagnusVonMagnum said:
That just tells me Steve Jobs is BLIND. If he honestly believes that color icons detract from album artwork, HE IS BLIND.
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Steve Job's disease unfortunately ate much of his mind, and from the harm done I'd say to the part of the brain involving adult judgment. There is no other acceptable explanation. Early senility doesn't cut it, and any creativity that is left is tainted with childish vendettas (Flash, Blu-ray, glossy screens to name the top 3) and abandonment of cutting edge computers and the creative content producer base that built Apple.

And the sooner Apple admits this with a medical diagnosis and gold watch in hand, the far better off they'll be. As of now, the board is in a mixture of denial and panic. Neither of which will save Apple.

What are they waiting for? Does he have to show up to work naked, or with a loaded automatic weapon?

At the very least shift him off to a toymaking division (to eventually go bust as all fadmakers do) and have a capable grownup who LISTENS TO APPLE USERS handle the computers.

:apple:
 
xbjllb said:
Steve Job's disease unfortunately ate much of his mind, and from the harm done I'd say to the part of the brain involving adult judgment. There is no other acceptable explanation. Early senility doesn't cut it, and any creativity that is left is tainted with childish vendettas (Flash, Blu-ray, glossy screens to name the top 3) and abandonment of cutting edge computers and the creative content producer base that built Apple.

And the sooner Apple admits this with a medical diagnosis and gold watch in hand, the far better off they'll be. As of now, the board is in a mixture of denial and panic. Neither of which will save Apple.

What are they waiting for? Does he have to show up to work naked, or with a loaded automatic weapon?

At the very least shift him off to a toymaking division (to eventually go bust as all fadmakers do) and have a capable grownup who LISTENS TO APPLE USERS handle the computers.

:apple:
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I'm not sure what is funnier, that you are sincere in your crazy views, or that you take the time to post them here. :D

Then again, macrumors wouldn't be the same kind of place without people like you.
 
Ignore Wars and Famine, Apples new Itunes Icon is the issue for 2010!!

It's an Icon, get over it. Scratched Cd's are the past.

Think you can do better? go ahead... .

Next people will be moaning about the shape of the power cables, or the color of the screws and the smell of the boxes... Sort your life out and end this discussion PLEASE! :apple:
 
ArtwelA4 said:
Next people will be moaning about the shape of the power cables, or the color of the screws and the smell of the boxes
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If a company cares about these smallest of details, why wouldn't their users? Apple has added screws to products for purely aesthetic reasons in the past - or, for example, modeled the blink rate of the sleeping indicator light after the human breathing rhythm. :eek: If Apple started shipping regular power cords with their products, that hadn't gone through an intensive designing process , like other companies do, you can bet that people on here would be moaning. iLounge noted in their latest review of the new iPod shuffle that Apple "decided to remove the swirled metal finish from the circular top controls [...]a small but cheapening touch". People notice that kind of stuff, even if only as part of a general impression.
 
I don't care one way or the other, but it seriously reminds me of the kind of look you would see at Disneyland. Then I remembered that Jobs is the largest shareholder in Disney, but that's probably just a coincidence.
 
LagunaSol said:
This seems a particularly trivial nit to pick. Seriously, how many people knowledgable enough to care even use these window buttons anyway? Cmd-H to hide, Cmd-Q to quit. Are you really mousing across your huge display for basic window control?
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Are you really reaching for your keyboard to click a trivial button in what literally takes a fraction of a second with a good mouse??? :eek: I can see keyboard shortcuts for buried menu items, but the close window button? It's more trouble than it's worth. You might as well just open up the shell and start typing if you actually want REAL keyboard power. Do you cycle your tabs with the keyboard and then close them as well that way? I know that would take more time to cycle than just click close in one motion. I'm sure you'll offer to demonstrate how fast you can do it until you realize you overshot the cycle select and closed the wrong one. :D


arcite said:
I'm not sure what is funnier, that you are sincere in your crazy views, or that you take the time to post them here. :D

Then again, macrumors wouldn't be the same kind of place without people like you.
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I don't think there's anything crazy about what he said when it comes to the COMPUTER division at Apple. Steve seems more concerned about gadgets than computers and at some point, I'm fully expecting "Macs" to be a page in the history books while Steve runs FOOL steam ahead with "iOS" tablets with no CPU power to replace desktops that are then 10-50x faster in the Windows world using REAL CPUs and REAL GPUs and can (oh the horror) actually play games without heating up to the temperature of the sun or running at half the frame rates (and that's talking about current iMacs, not future iOS devices). Steve should hand the computer division over to someone that actually CARES about it (and by care I do not mean make it even thinner and smaller for a desktop when that crap doesn't matter one iota in that environment (hello Mac Mini) whereas performance can and often does mean everything in the rest of the computing world).
 
MagnusVonMagnum said:
I don't think there's anything crazy about what he said when it comes to the COMPUTER division at Apple. Steve seems more concerned about gadgets than computers and at some point, I'm fully expecting "Macs" to be a page in the history books while Steve runs FOOL steam ahead with "iOS" tablets with no CPU power to replace desktops that are then 10-50x faster in the Windows world using REAL CPUs and REAL GPUs and can (oh the horror) actually play games without heating up to the temperature of the sun or running at half the frame rates (and that's talking about current iMacs, not future iOS devices). Steve should hand the computer division over to someone that actually CARES about it (and by care I do not mean make it even thinner and smaller for a desktop when that crap doesn't matter one iota in that environment (hello Mac Mini) whereas performance can and often does mean everything in the rest of the computing world).
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I, unfortunately, have to agree with you.
For the past year or two I have become increasingly unhappy with the direction Apple is taking.
Hey, I have no problem with the whole i-thing but I do have a problem with the fact that it is obviously taking Steve and Apple's attention from the computer division.
I'm sure that in a few years the iPad will be more than enough computer for the average web surfer, game player, email reader and cloud user.
But I'm not that person and as far as I know I'm not alone.
There is no doubt that the innovation, speed and robustness of the Apple computer line and OS has suffered recently.
I was stunned when my good friend came over recently with his Dell lap top and just smoked my wheel spinning MBP in all areas including basic opening and closing of apps and finder navigation. Won't even talk about that thing called Safari.
I would love to see the "real" computer division spun off to someone who still believes there is life left in that style of machine. It is the only way I can see me not having to do the unthinkable....eventually moving to Windows :eek:
 
arcite said:
I'm not sure what is funnier, that you are sincere in your crazy views, or that you take the time to post them here. :D

Then again, macrumors wouldn't be the same kind of place without people like you.
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Thanks! I aim to entertain as well as educate.

:apple:
 
MagnusVonMagnum said:
Are you really reaching for your keyboard to click a trivial button in what literally takes a fraction of a second with a good mouse???
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I guarantee I can hit Cmd-W on my keyboard faster than you can mouse (or trackpad) up to that tiny red button and click it.
 
LagunaSol said:
I guarantee I can hit Cmd-W on my keyboard faster than you can mouse (or trackpad) up to that tiny red button and click it.
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Wow I'm so excited to hear that guy. Want to bet if your hardware is as big as my hardware while you're at it? :rolleyes:
 
Don't care for the new icon, but I don't care enough to change it. Steve is never going to change his position on this (although I would never have guessed that Apple would reverse the position on using 3rd party dev tools and a non-limited selection of original languages for iOS apps...)

I would have skipped iTunes 10 for now (because iTunes on Windows is a godawful bloated mess and typically wasn't stable enough to be used until x.2.1) but there's a pretty serious hole in iTunes 9 and as a security conscious person I couldn't let that go. Surprisingly, iTunes 10 seems snappier than iTunes 9 (which isn't typical of new iTunes versions) but we'll wait for the upgrade buzz to wear off and see.
 
LagunaSol said:
You're the one bragging about your lightning-quick mousing skills. Hypocrite much? :rolleyes:
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No, YOU are bragging about YOUR lightning quick skills. I was saying nearly ANYONE can close a window in a fraction of a second. Of course, I wouldn't bother commenting period if you weren't making such a big deal about keyboard shortcuts making Apple's stupid GUI changes irrelevant. I'm saying to some of us they aren't irrelevant. Whether you agree with mousing or not is not my concern.

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On another note, after installing iTunes 10 on my PowerMac and a reboot (due to Safari's upgrade), I found that my iTunes icon hadn't changed at all in Leopard (it did change on my MBP in Snow Leopard). I wonder if this is common to all regular Leopard installs or just PPC Leopard installs or something went awry in the update process.
 
Well the new icon definitely sucks.

Its not only the icon the whole application looks and sucks.

Its a step back imho.
 
I for one welcome our new iTunes icon overlord. Sure, it's ugly, but so was the last icon, which also received some criticism. The old icon hasn't really been nice too look at since it was green. The first one, with three tunes in different purple/pink hues was nice too. Hopefully they'll spice this icon up in nicer colors as well in future versions.
 

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mrqasimi said:
It's just an icon..nothing to do with it. If you don't like it, just change the icon. easy..:cool:
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Truthfully the icon is the last thing on my mind. More annoyed over the fact that they keep rearranging and changing the interface. For example: 7 through 9 feel so out of place Tiger. Why can't they just make the UI toolkit portable like GTK+? Then it can adapt itself with the environment. Always did like how iTunes looked under Brushed Metal scheme.
 
I don't know about everyone else, but I'm most annoyed with the fact that iTunes 10 is the MOST BUGGY version of iTunes I've ever used. It has crashed 6 times now (or should I say trashed seeing as it took the OS down with 5 out of 6 times) and the past two nights it crashed just from leaving it running in the background overnight!!!! It must have a slow constant memory leak or something (at least on the PPC build). It crashed once in the middle of a sync to my iPod Touch and twice more while trying to view a standard definition video from iTunes itself (not AppleTV, which seems to work OK with it).

I'm so fed up with it that I'm going back to iTunes 9 even if I have to totally rebuild my database from scratch (iTunes 9 probably will not work with the "updated" database iTunes 10 created; you'd think it'd create an automatic backup of the old database before doing that just in case you ended up with an unusable version of iTunes like this one). I see no signs of a bug fix coming any time soon and there are no guarantees they will fix the problems that are crashing it here EVER really (especially if it's something PPC specific or database size dependent or something weird like that). I've NEVER had iTunes crash so often in such a short amount of time. That is like 6 crashes in 5 days now. Apple should NEVER let something so obviously bug-ridden out the door. But I'm sure Steve Jobs told them they'd better get it out in time for the hardware launch or it would cost them their jobs or something (given past reports on what a jerk he is to his employees) and never mind the countless bugs it has....
 
I must be lucky. iTunes 10 hasn't crashed on me, works as advertised, I kinda like the new looks (especially in Album List mode) and personally I give a hoot about the icon :cool:
 
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