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Steve Jobs Defends New iTunes 10 Icon Against Criticism

Burger Thing said:
I must be lucky. iTunes 10 hasn't crashed on me, works as advertised, I kinda like the new looks (especially in Album List mode) and personally I give a hoot about the icon :cool:
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I've been very skeptical of iTunes upgrades having read the bloatware stories w/9 and some of the early sync issues with 9 and classic iPods. The sync issue to me was a clear danger sign of Apple losing focus on some core tasks. I've stayed with 8 forever it seems as a Classic owner.

However, I was forced to take the plunge to 10 yesterday with a new Touch (after doubly backing up everything for revert if need be, and I'm surely keeping these for a while still.) I gotta say, it's been smooth so far and I've been pleasantly surprised :eek:

Like the new look, the program functions quickly and well, I'm not getting hammered with "distractions," and most importantly: Zero problems updating my large library (9k+ items, 89 GB) and syncing with several different model iPods. All in all I'd have to say good move.

And - the new icon looks cool over in the dock ;)
 
iTunes icon - no problem for me...

Blue popup windows on iphone instead of notification system sufficient for a
hi-tech smart phone like iphone is - that is where I see the problem.. :apple:
 
Slayter said:
iTunes icon - no problem for me...

Blue popup windows on iphone instead of notification system sufficient for a
hi-tech smart phone like iphone is - that is where I see the problem.. :apple:
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Looks like this thread has become a gathering place for people to voice their complaints about totally unrelated issues....Oh wait...blue icon...blue popup window...I see the link now :p
 
tkermit said:
Looks like this thread has become a gathering place for people to voice their complaints about totally unrelated issues....Oh wait...blue icon...blue popup window...I see the link now :p
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Well it is just an icon. :)
 
I think it's hideous, and it runs like crap on my G4. Ever since they redid iTMS, I haven't liked it as much as I used to - it seemed to slowly lose the elegance it once had and faded into something like Windows Media Player.

I guess you could say 7 was the last version I liked. :(
 
I'm now averaging one kernel panic a day since upgrading to iTunes 10. Somehow, the blue icon seems irrelevant by comparison. Unfortunately, once you update to a newer iTunes version, it updates the database and makes it totally incompatible with the prior version of iTunes, making it VERY difficult to return to a stable version of iTunes. You basically have to rebuild the entire database from scratch, including playlists. You have to re-register and refill ALL the content for every Apple TV, every iPod and every iPhone or iPad. ALL OF THEM. It is a royal pain in the keystor.

If I had ANY clue that it was going to be this unstable, I would have backed up the database files for iTunes 9 manually before updating. I did have backups on my backup drive, but unfortunately, before I realized it was THAT unstable, I had backed up my media drive (which contains the iTunes databases), thus overwriting the iTunes9 database with the iTunes 10 one (despite my Leopard partition backup containing iTunes9).

I see no signs of a bug fix from Apple and so I can either rebuild everything to go back to iTunes 9 or just WAIT and crash and crash and crash, hoping Apple will eventually update it with a bug fix that solves this constant kernel panic problem. Sometimes, iTune is the last thing running before the kernel panic in the panic report. Lately, "MDworker" is it, almost like a spotlight meta data update triggers the panic somehow. I don't know if there's a memory leak or what. I just know it SUCKS.
 
There must be something seriously wrong with your system.

3 Versions of iTunes 10 running in our household on a 13" MBP, 17" MBP and an ancient 20" iMac with ZERO crashes or problems so far :cool:
 
Burger Thing said:
There must be something seriously wrong with your system.

3 Versions of iTunes 10 running in our household on a 13" MBP, 17" MBP and an ancient 20" iMac with ZERO crashes or problems so far :cool:
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Define ancient. Is it a PPC iMac? If not, then the problem could very well be in the PPC build of iTunes 10 since my PowerMac is the machine acting as a whole house audio/video server. I would also like to know if you leave iTunes running 24/7 or if you exit it and/or sleep/shut down your computer when you're away with it. This problem doesn't occur most of the time while I'm running iTunes, but rather the next day it's crashed (as if there's a slow memory leak with it just sitting there for a long time). I've got 1.5GB of ram on the machine so obviously a newer machine with a lot more ram would last much longer in a memory leak type situation.

As for something "seriously wrong with (my) system", that's just a LITTLE hard to believe given it worked perfectly fine until I upgraded to iTunes 10. And to make sure something hasn't gone bonkers since then, I've quit iTunes 10 and let my machine run 24/7 without it running for a couple of days now just to see if something else became unstable (i.e. coincident timing). It hasn't crashed once so I'd say it's definitely iTunes 10 that is the problem. I'll leave it running for a few more days without iTunes to make sure, though.
 
MagnusVonMagnum said:
Define ancient. Is it a PPC iMac? If not, then the problem could very well be in the PPC build of iTunes 10 since my PowerMac is the machine acting as a whole house audio/video server. I would also like to know if you leave iTunes running 24/7 or if you exit it and/or sleep/shut down your computer when you're away with it. This problem doesn't occur most of the time while I'm running iTunes, but rather the next day it's crashed (as if there's a slow memory leak with it just sitting there for a long time). I've got 1.5GB of ram on the machine so obviously a newer machine with a lot more ram would last much longer in a memory leak type situation.

As for something "seriously wrong with (my) system", that's just a LITTLE hard to believe given it worked perfectly fine until I upgraded to iTunes 10. And to make sure something hasn't gone bonkers since then, I've quit iTunes 10 and let my machine run 24/7 without it running for a couple of days now just to see if something else became unstable (i.e. coincident timing). It hasn't crashed once so I'd say it's definitely iTunes 10 that is the problem. I'll leave it running for a few more days without iTunes to make sure, though.
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Yeah, seems like an issue with the ppc build then. Our old iMac is a 2006/7 model with an intel processor, though. That one is running 24-7 - but with no issues.

Anyway, have you checked the forums if other users (with ppc macs) have the same problems? Sorry to hear about your issues, though.
 
Burger Thing said:
Yeah, seems like an issue with the ppc build then. Our old iMac is a 2006/7 model with an intel processor, though. That one is running 24-7 - but with no issues.

Anyway, have you checked the forums if other users (with ppc macs) have the same problems? Sorry to hear about your issues, though.
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I think I posted a thread somewhere about it and got like one response (not sure if they even had a PPC Mac). I doubt there's a whole ton of people running a giant iTunes library in a whole house system from an old PowerMac these days. There's always even a slight chance the replacement newer "7448" CPU doesn't like something in the instruction set that wasn't a problem in the older one for all I know. What I do know is that it's been 4 days now without a crash (with iTunes NOT running) and I had crashes the previous 4 days straight when it was running. I figure I can either rebuild the iTunes 9 library or hope their next update fixes it (I've sent a report every time it's crashed). Until I get a newer iPod Touch, I don't "need" iTunes 10 anyway. I wish I hadn't upgraded, really.
 
ArtwelA4 said:
Next people will be moaning about the shape of the power cables, or the color of the screws and the smell of the boxes... Sort your life out and end this discussion PLEASE! :apple:
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Actually, that is quite a valid issue, much more than this icon. (can't you change icons yourself?) Apple's tiny power cables are a difficult problem, and I'm sure contributed to some of the problems with fires on Macbooks. (I'm not saying there were a lot of these) It certainly contributes to the old iBook cord being so prone to damage, the RCA connector is stronger than the cord behind it.

Also, the 2006 Mini cord comes out far too easily, esp considering the tight space considerations, you can easily knock it out trying to plug/unplug something else back there. I'll have to see what the 2010 model is like when mine arrives.
 
MagnusVonMagnum said:
I think I posted a thread somewhere about it and got like one response (not sure if they even had a PPC Mac). I doubt there's a whole ton of people running a giant iTunes library in a whole house system from an old PowerMac these days. There's always even a slight chance the replacement newer "7448" CPU doesn't like something in the instruction set that wasn't a problem in the older one for all I know. What I do know is that it's been 4 days now without a crash (with iTunes NOT running) and I had crashes the previous 4 days straight when it was running. I figure I can either rebuild the iTunes 9 library or hope their next update fixes it (I've sent a report every time it's crashed). Until I get a newer iPod Touch, I don't "need" iTunes 10 anyway. I wish I hadn't upgraded, really.
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I really hope for your sake, that a few more people are having the same issues (I know, sounds almost cynical) and :apple: gets lots of crash reports so they hurry up and fix that problem. To rebuild the iTunes 9 library would pi$$ me off as well, I have to admit. In the past I was annoyed as heck, when I had to right click every playlist to "Copy to play order" because my iPod or iPhone would not have playlist arranged as iTunes :confused:

OT: I am having issues with the Mail application lately - ever since I changed my account settings from pop to imap. The sucker hangs almost every time I receive a mail. Well, there is hope for 10.6.5 :)
 
I'm gonna repost what I said, because some people are still complaining.
res1233 said:
NEWSFLASH: You can edit the icon! :O
go into the iTunes.app subdirectories, open contents, open resources, then replace iTunes.icns with an icon of your choice, but with the same name. DONE! No more hated icon, although, i like it... you may have to remove iTunes from your dock and put it back for that icon to change though, and reload the applications folder.
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res1233 said:
I'm gonna repost what I said, because some people are still complaining.
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What does that have to do with the above posts about iTunes bugs (thankfully these appear to be fixed in 1.0.1), the lack of color in the interface now and the lack of the genius side-bar that some people seem to like? The icon is minor by comparison, but it's still a pain to change given what you have to go through to build a transparent icon. Apple could offer more user interface options, but that would go against the Steve method of forcing his preferences on everyone.
 
res1233 said:
NEWSFLASH: You can edit the icon! :O
go into the iTunes.app subdirectories, open contents, open resources, then replace iTunes.icns with an icon of your choice, but with the same name. DONE! No more hated icon, although, i like it... you may have to remove iTunes from your dock and put it back for that icon to change though, and reload the applications folder.
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Does anyone else find it amusing when someone points out a way you can customize your Mac that involves a convoluted process, sometimes requiring opening a shell, that people used to be able to do easier with the Classic Mac OS.
  1. Highlight file/application.
  2. Cmd-I (Get Info command)
  3. Highlight icon as it appears here.
  4. Cmd-V (paste new icon from clipboard).
Isn't progress great?
 
SeaFox said:
His requires poking around in program resources the end user really isn't supposed to be making changes to. Mine was an official method and fully supported by Apple.
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Who cares? Both work ether way.
 
res1233 said:
I'm gonna repost what I said, because some people are still complaining.
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You can also go back to a backup of your system, or ignore the new version in the first place and never download it.

Which is what I've done, not because of the logo, but because of the many problems too many people are reporting because of doing the upgrade.

:apple:
 
xbjllb said:
You can also go back to a backup of your system, or ignore the new version in the first place and never download it.
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The only notable downside when it comes to downgrading or staying with an older version of iTunes, is you lose compatibly with newer iPods or iOS devices.
 
Zc456 said:
The only notable downside when it comes to downgrading or staying with an older version of iTunes, is you lose compatibly with newer iPods or iOS devices.
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Thanks for pointing out another advantage, as I'll never buy any of Jobs iCrap, not being one of his iKiddies. I work at an (expensive) desktop like most grownups, and wish he'd never returned to Apple.

Your mileage may vary.

:apple:
 
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