an "issue" is often defined as " A matter of public concern ", this is public concern that their phones won't work while using them every where but under a cell tower.
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Steve Jobs denies iP4 reception issues!
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an "issue" is often defined as " A matter of public concern ", this is public concern that their phones won't work while using them every where but under a cell tower.
I was at an Apple Store in Houston today and was somewhat surprised to hear a couple different groups of shoppers talking about the weak signal issue. It looks like even the mainstream knows about the issue and not just hardcore enthusiasts...
UHG?
Precisely!
You buy what you want, people buy what they want to buy.
Now whining because people buy what they think it is not expensive, or that it is but they just want it?
Wow!
Isn't that hysteria?
Because rightness was not born with you.
Kudos for that. It is really like talking to the wall. It's embarrassing to ignore everything at this level, just because... I don't even know why.
Kudos for that. It is really like talking to the wall. It's embarrassing to ignore everything at this level, just because... I don't even know why.
Well, I don't have this issue and have tried to reproduce it. As a matter of fact, my colleague at work tried to reproduce it on my phone and couldn't because he had head so much about it.
Again, there was an issue 2 year ago when the new 3G came out about the number of bars fluctuating. Software fix was issued shortly thereafter and nothing was heard again.
on another note, the iPhone 4 can't withstand microwave ovens or a .50 caliber rifle...
rifle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcnQ72sPZAI
oven: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xC47sEXvZs&feature=player_embedded
rifle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcnQ72sPZAI
oven: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xC47sEXvZs&feature=player_embedded
let's assume that there is a problem-
i'm curious to know from an electrical engineering? or RF point of view- could extra power be applied to some circuitry during/sensing of a weakening degrading signal when the antenna/s are bridged?
maybe with the current ios(4) software "weakened" power is applied to preserve battery life in favour of a better signal?
maybe some experts could elaborate?
thx francois
i'm curious to know from an electrical engineering? or RF point of view- could extra power be applied to some circuitry during/sensing of a weakening degrading signal when the antenna/s are bridged?
maybe with the current ios(4) software "weakened" power is applied to preserve battery life in favour of a better signal?
maybe some experts could elaborate?
thx francois
Agreed. This is def an issues that will not be able to be ignored. My friend actually asked me about the issue today and he doesn't even own an i4, or follow tech news like most of us here do. I'm glad though, I have the issue and there is no way Apple will be able to ignore this, the public outcry is picking up steam.
Might his intentions be to 'rule out' specific causes of the issues?
If the symptoms don't occur in direct proximity of a cell tower, this might somehow rule out a hardware issue, alluding more toward a software issue.
I'm still perplexed that I'm able to bridge the gap and hold the phone anyway I want to, with no significant drop of signal.
If a hardware issue were to be ruled out, this would only help to zero in on the crux of the problem.
Any Arrested Development fans out there? This is like when Michael thought he was a lawyer just because he portrayed one in a grade school play.
You're a crook, Captain Hook...
What a load of nonsense
You say "here" implying you live in the UK, but from your post you clearly are not a native English speaker and I suspect that out of spite against your host country you are trying to put down one of the world's most highly respected news organizations.
You really don't quite get the scientific method, do you? You keep suggesting that any experiment with multiple variables is not proof of anything. That's not only untrue, but most experiments test multiple simultaneous variables. A collection of such experiments is perfectly acceptable proof.
If you have five phones side by side, two of them iPhone 4s, and each i4 drops from 5 bars to 0 within 10 seconds of touching one and only one stop, and this can be repeated hundreds of times, in dozens of locations, and the non-iPhone 4s never deviate from 5 bars, and this experiment is repeated by hundreds or thousands of people around the world, it is absolutely compelling proof that there is an issue with the iPhone 4. It does not require a lead chamber, a magical gnome-filled field with a lone cell tower, and unicorn tears to prove it.
My original post is here
I followed up with some additional data tests.
For this test, I could not get a call to drop. Even when it switched to edge, I still had one bar. I called one of those automated "the time is..." numbers. It only allowed me to stay on for 2 minutes. However, I have had regular voice calls drop with this phone before.
Now, with the bumpers on, things are a wee bit better. I can occasionally get up to 3 bars when I hold it in my palm in portrait orientation. Most of the time, I am at 1 bar with bumpers on in my hand.
For those that want to say, no dropped call = non issue, I disagree. This is a smart phone. It's meant to to be used as a data device also, web, email, etc. My data numbers blow if I hold it in portrait orientation. I guess landscape orientation is the correct way to surf!
Here are my data numbers.
BUMPERS OFF - ON DESK
BUMPERS OFF - IN HAND LOL 26,000 ping!
BUMPERS ON - ON DESK
BUMPERS ON - IN HAND
The speed test varies. However, the point is clear, it doesn't matter if the bumpers are on or not. When you hold the phone resting in your palm, the data numbers are much, much worse.
Here are some of my best speeds with bumpers on:
BEST BUMPERS ON WHEN IN HAND
BEST BUMPERS ON WHEN ON DESK -- notice 4 bars
It's near-impossible to rule out a hardware issue because we don't have the ability to test the issue in enough detail.
It's simply not feasible for the average person, given that you would need a variety of devices running in a variety of places on different networks and under different conditions.
To do such tests would cost a lot, given the need to obtain different devices and to travel around the world!
Apple is able to run tests like these, and until they announce anything we really are just speculating on what the problem is.
What qualifies you to make all those statements about what good science is or should be?
You failed to comment on my scientifically sound test a few pages back.
Edit: cmaier just suggested the same thing about four posts up from this one..
Bloody hell, Karen, give me a break or spend some quality time with Ochy!
Do you actually read? Have you read what you picked up on?! Here is it for you again and leave me alone!
I only pointed out that the cost of the iPhone 4 is not $300, just because there is a commitment, a contract that you have to enter, in return for the subsidised fee. Capiche?!
God, what is wrong with you?! I just hate people who cannot understand that you might be able to afford a bloody phone, YET YOU DON'T WANT TO BUY IT, because it sucks. It sucks, it sucks and it sucks.
It sucks that it cuts off and it sucks that a bloody CEO is telling people that they are holding the phone the wrong way. I hold the effing phone as I bloody want to!
This last bit was triggered by your mad remark earlier about questioning my financial state, purely because I count cost as I should.
The issue has been documented by a multitude of users under REAL WORLD conditions. It is irrelevant if it is apparent under a cell tower. 99.9999% of people do not live/work/travel directly under a cell tower. REAL WORLD tests are MORE accurate in providing proof than a hypothetical one.
Apple & At&t can conduct their tests under a tower and tell me everything is okay, but when I'm out on the street and it's not, that's a REAL problem.
The post that Arn showed you about the person in DIRECT line of sight of a tower is the closest you're going to get to your 'perfect scenario'. That is, unless, someone here works for At&t and would be willing to do what you ask. Again, even if they did, what matters to most people is how it performs in the REAL WORLD.
This point is clearly evident based on a number of people who currently don't see an issue with the phone and could care less. For them, the problem is truly a non-issue. For others, it's as real as can be.
Absolute nonsense. Tons of people have posted results of experiments performed on multiple iPhone 4 samples. Tons have posted results of direct side by side comparisons to other models of phone.
cool story bro
What conclusions are you talking about? We've been talking for like 1870213 pages and no one remembers what (if any) direction you were going.
No, you are purposefully ignoring scientifically superior experiments mentioned here to prove the point that you would like to make yourself.